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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/11/2005 6:57:38 AM   
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Angel,

...Being polite (a noncoerced response) to others is the practice of showing good manners, no harm no foul in being polite to a complete stranger...even when we need to say no thank you. As far as respecting another....I respect no one who insist/demands something from me.

Respect is earned.
Politeness is returned.
Courtesy is a given.

Best wishes....


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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/11/2005 7:25:27 AM   
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I can't help but think this is almost a cutlural issue. Some of us hold to older cultural values about etiquette and interpersonal relationships. Others dismiss that and have an attitude that to me seems quite self centered, perhaps coming from a culture today that is more self centered. That "its all about me" attitude.

And this is totally unfortunate. What I get tired of is the Doms who decide that the submissives are supposed to be respectful and mannered and because we are submissive, they can treat us like like trash right out of the gate simply because they are Dominant. Gets old after a while....
Lily


Oy...perhaps I didn't do a very good job articulating myself. I was actually agreeing with most of your statement, and reinforcing the unfortunate state of cultural affiars that many cast themselves in a self centered 'all about me' attitude.


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The only thing in this I see as being unfortunate is that so many don't see the point of just being polite to one another. The second half of your statement is not a fair characterization of anything I have ever said (and I take it somewhat personally since you chose to quote me). I have never at any point condoned anyone treating a submissive like trash just because they are submissive. Quite the contrary, I have said everyone should be polite and show common courtesy. I have also said that one way a dominant shows their self control is in the restraint they show in their behavior towards others. For a "dominant" to treat you like trash for no reason would give me cause to question whether they were actually a dominant at all or just another angry person wearing the mask. We all prove ourselves by our actions, our behavior, or manorism. Not everyone who claims to be dominant is, not everyone who claims to be submissive is. If someone who claims to be a dominant can't show some self control, I doubt their claims. If someone claims to be submissive but seems incapable of common courtesy, I doubt them.


You are absolutely right that the second part of my statement wasn't a fair assessment of you because, simply put, it wasn't about you. Again, I was in agreement with you and was using life experiences that had nothing to do with you.

I agree that we absolutely do prove ourselves through actions, and as you agree with me, sometimes people mask what they really are under the umbrella of D/s (these behaviors are not exclusive to Dominants, it applies also to Submissives at times as well.)

Again, I apologize for any confusion, I was not directing anything at you, Padraig, except agreement. Apparently I need to have my full caffiene intake before I post to the boards.

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/11/2005 8:00:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

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I can't help but think this is almost a cutlural issue. Some of us hold to older cultural values about etiquette and interpersonal relationships. Others dismiss that and have an attitude that to me seems quite self centered, perhaps coming from a culture today that is more self centered. That "its all about me" attitude.

And this is totally unfortunate. What I get tired of is the Doms who decide that the submissives are supposed to be respectful and mannered and because we are submissive, they can treat us like like trash right out of the gate simply because they are Dominant. Gets old after a while....
Lily


Oy...perhaps I didn't do a very good job articulating myself. I was actually agreeing with most of your statement, and reinforcing the unfortunate state of cultural affiars that many cast themselves in a self centered 'all about me' attitude.


Oh my! I appologize then, I completely misunderstood you. I took it as disagreement, that you found my views as unfortunate. Good thing we got that cleared up!


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I agree that we absolutely do prove ourselves through actions, and as you agree with me, sometimes people mask what they really are under the umbrella of D/s (these behaviors are not exclusive to Dominants, it applies also to Submissives at times as well.)

Again, I apologize for any confusion, I was not directing anything at you, Padraig, except agreement. Apparently I need to have my full caffiene intake before I post to the boards.

Lily


No harm no foul, I think we both read hastily perhaps. Though one interesting point, we've been rather polite in our misunderstanding and resolved it very quickly. Perhaps we just proved our case and point.

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/11/2005 9:11:59 AM   
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No harm no foul, I think we both read hastily perhaps. Though one interesting point, we've been rather polite in our misunderstanding and resolved it very quickly. Perhaps we just proved our case and point.


Indeed we have just proven the point.

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/11/2005 4:56:37 PM   
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I don't think it has much to do with BDSM as it does jsut being a decent, well-liked person. I'm polite to everyone I meet. Maybe it's just the way I was raised. Please, thank you, holding doors for people, it's just natural. I don't reserve it for Dominant types. When I go somewhere new, I generally pick up how others behave and act accordingly.

This isn't to say that once someone has been less than polite to me, I'm going to continue being polite. Everyone deserves commom politeness and respect to start with but I won't be walked all over either.

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/12/2005 3:59:12 PM   
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I think there is a difference between respecting a person... and respecting a person's right to exist as they see fit.

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass if some stranger respects me or not. I mean... how could they respect me if they don't know me? What have I done to earn that respect...and do I really care? I know I have no respect for someone who hasn't earned it. I do, however respect their right to live how they choose to live. I remain courteous and polite and even though I would not make the same choices for my life, as some people make for theirs...I still respect their space.

I think there should be some level of common courtesy extended to everyone, regardless of where they are on the "power scale"..but there is a huge difference between courtesy and respect.

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/12/2005 9:04:30 PM   
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Now is it just me... or does that sound wrong coming from someone named junecleaver. LOL Not attacking you hun, just thought that was kind of ironic


It's supposed to be. =P

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 3:06:01 AM   
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Now is it just me... or does that sound wrong coming from someone named junecleaver. LOL Not attacking you hun, just thought that was kind of ironic


It's supposed to be. =P


LOL... congrats, it is

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 3:36:07 AM   
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I agree with you.

The mantra that we 'must' be respectful and polite to all people is like stating that 'all people traveling the NYC subway must not smell.'

It is a nice desire, it would be a sincere boon were that it was so - but, it is only those things, a desire and a fantasy - and, it is not reality.

We (as humans) can only "take" so much - and, some people simply do not deserve 'politeness' or even 'respect'.

So - when I read that these are a 'must' - I am tempted to remind the speaker that no one 'must do anything' except expire.

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 7:41:32 AM   
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And isn't it always the dominants who are complaining that they aren't getting the respect they *think* they deserve? I suppose they believe that such complaints will just dom everyone into behaving the way they want.

My theory is that they can't separate their fantasy role playing from reality. For example, the "no reply to my e-mail" whiners may believe they are Prince Charming and all the fair maidens will naturally curtsey and send thoughtful replies to their notes.


I feel I have to say something about the "no reply to my email" comment. A lot of us have very busy lives in r/l, and although we are members of collarme, sometimes only have time to read the emails, and would prefer to wait until having ample time to form a coherent, complete rely to the email that we think it deserves. It is not only the dominants that whine about "why did you not reply to my email".....when I have gotten repeated emails blasted at me over days, and the sender seems sincere, even if a little over eager, I send an email explaining that I appreciate the emails, and will respond as soon as I can. It seems that if a day goes by, and I do not send the next email, the submissive (not all, don't get me wrong, I hate sweeping generalizations, but quite a few) will send a "where is your followup? I am waiting with bated breath" email. At that point I have politely, honestly told them, that if there are time limits to responses and such, they need to go ahead and try to find another Mistress to try to get to know.

Otherwise, I definitely agree that everyone deserves the modicum of respect that is portrayed to the vanilla world when meeting each other. respect over and above that needs to be earned, whether dominant or submissive, but until proven differently should be shown the minimum of that level of decency and respect.

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 7:48:34 AM   
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We (as humans) can only "take" so much - and, some people simply do not deserve 'politeness' or even 'respect'.

I think this may be a key differentiator.

I don't give politeness and respect based on what OTHER people do or don't do. I don't judge what others "deserve" in that sense.

I give politeness and respect based on who *I* am. If my sense of politeness and social structure is so easily broken by those around me, what point is there of having one at all?

Other people forgetting their manners is NEVER an excuse to forget my own.

Now, there are extreme times and places to be direct, to be blunt and possibly to be rude, but these are extreme times and most often can be avoided by using other methods first.

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 9:02:30 AM   
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Maybe we should seperate the words politeness and courtesy from the word respect. So much of this debate seems to hinge on confused meanings and blurred meanings. By that I mean... I try to be polite to people, show courtesy to someone and remain so as much as possible. That does not mean I respect that person. I am polite because doing so helps me be a better communicator (an important quality as a dominant) and also reflects on who I am as a person. Whether or not I respect the other person depends solely on their actions, or rather my estimation of their actions. If someone, through their actions, manages to earn my disrespect and / or offend me I may decide its warranted to be less than polite. But someone who simply hasn't earned either my respect or disrespect is still treated politely so far as I am concerned.

As for the debate about replying to emails. I've had the chance through a friend recently to see just how bad it can be for women on this site. She had posted a new profile, with no listed interests, no picture, and no profile text... yet still got over 200 emails in 24 hrs. Based on that I've changed my opinion about some things.

First, anyone emailing a new profile before its even been approved strikes me as being a desparate troll and deserves to have their email deleted unread.

Second, the site mail system need to be modified to include things like an auto reply and a subject line to emails. A thoughtful subject line to an email would be helpful I think for the lasses to sort out from a list which emails are from someone who actually read their profile and has something interesting to say from the trolls who just want... whatever.

Lastly, perhaps better options for filtering email, such as safe lists (only people on your safe list can email you) and other controls would help cut down on these barrages of email.

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 9:32:06 AM   
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quote:

first I wrote:
And isn't it always the dominants who are complaining that they aren't getting the respect they *think* they deserve?

and then kc692 proved me wrong by replying:
the submissive (not all, don't get me wrong, I hate sweeping generalizations, but quite a few) will send a "where is your followup?

Hmmm . . . perhaps I need to examine my theory and factor in something to account for the way testosterone affects expectations. But that sounds like too much trouble . . . lets just replace the phrase "always the dominants" with "usually the dominants".

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 9:53:59 AM   
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It is a big deal however what i see "here" is that your commenting about how "others" are demanding this of you and they are NOT your "Master or partner".
As in "they are not getting the hint and taking "no" for an answer.."
If that is the case then those who are not respectful of you or your position are indeed a part of the huge "wannabe" group that "THEY" feel its their right to say to "ANY" sub to get down on your knees and grovel at their greatness..

Best suggestion.. One polite reply saying that YOU are not interested in them. and if they persist you will report them to the Admin of this site for harassment.


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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 10:13:41 AM   
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Alot of good comments! I too atempt to be polite, it is how I was raised, it costs me nothing to perform, and in the end it actually gains me perhaps respect.

Like Padriag (?) stated I believe that courtesy and politeness is a necesary function of life, for the sake of communication. That said, I feel that some people think that being impolite equates to disagreement. Which it does not. Being polite I think is the ability to express your opinions, yourself in a manner that does not need vulgarity, that does not feel the need to cut down/accuse/blame/irrationally attack/force change of another person. Many things can be said with tact, and in my experience, it has far more power than those things said with "nastyness". It gets things done both for yourself and others. It encourages communication of ideas. It validates social tolerance. I think also it reflects upon YOU, more then anything, about your philosophies of life. Though I am far from perfect , and I have been to known to be...errhm not so polite. As an example that happens in real life perhaps of courtesy, if I am outside smoking my cigarette and an elderly person comes up to the doors, I will open the door for them. It costs me nothing, and in most cases helps them. On the bus where seating is specifically reserved for those with disabilities, ect, and there is a 17 year old sitting there and he does not offer his seat. That in my opinion is rude. I have stood up with my baby in his pouch in such a scenario. There are/seems to be some common sense that is directly linked to politeness and courtesy and respect. The bus scenario is as much based on respect for our elders as it is for safetly reasons....the body of a 70 year with a cane or the child of 2 years old cannot handle the constant stopping and starting of the bus, like the body and strengh of a 20 something.

As for respect, I think we all do deserve a basic level of it. I respect all people at a certain level. Like a few other stated, it is in varying degrees, based over time and your actions. But the first time I meet you, i respect the fact that you are breathing, feeling, thinking being.We share this world. All of our actions affect it in one way or another. Respect in the grand scheme is what perhaps keep us alive. We respect the laws of the land even if we disagree with them. If we were to be completely self centred as some philosophers say we are we would live in complete choas (yes I know some people want this lol). We do not have to be prostrating ourselves to anyone, nor take their word for gospel, but at a basic level, we all have the right to live, to feel, to think how we do as human beings and *I* think we should all respect that right. Respect within this lifestyle is what allows things like protocol and safety to be ingrained. Perhaps though in some ways people expect too much respect, or perhaps some equate respect with worship. Anyways I am rambling now lol

I guess angel (hope you dont mind me calling you that), as a human being *I* respect your right to come and post your opinions; maturity and courtesy demands I respond in kind. It does not give me the right to make inflamitory comments, nor take out my stress of the day on you. Do I respect you enough that if you gave me advice that I would take it without question; no. (well for the record, I love reading your responses, I find you very intelligent, polite, articulate and probably sage). I equate someone's maturity with their ability to communicate, and their ability to present themselves to the world in a polite manner. Those who's actions are courteous, I find I respect more, for those who are willing to help others (opening doors, giving up seats, taking the high road and NOT responding in kind to raod rage, those who unerstand and respect the use of safewords) are what makes this *imho* a better, safer, kinder world.

And finally, to me I believe we reap what we sow. If you choose to live your life without the above mentioned things, it will affect you. When you are in need of help, it might not be there. Most often, it is easier to walk away, ignore, turn off the computer, stop accessing certain forum boards, or even taking the established route of getting someone kicked off of <insert whatever organization, boards, workplace>, then it is to engage in petty, meaningless ranting that in the end only serves to show others that you are immature and just as rude and therefore not *worthy* of talking too.

P.S. I think that Padriag and Lily did an excellent job of showing how communication is affected by courtesy, politeness, and maturity. Also, I apologize for the casual use of names and I hope I got them right. I had never even intended to respond...and now I am late =)

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 10:30:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ProtagonistLily

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I can't help but think this is almost a cutlural issue. Some of us hold to older cultural values about etiquette and interpersonal relationships. Others dismiss that and have an attitude that to me seems quite self centered, perhaps coming from a culture today that is more self centered. That "its all about me" attitude.


And this is totally unfortunate. What I get tired of is the Doms who decide that the submissives are supposed to be respectful and mannered and because we are submissive, they can treat us like like trash right out of the gate simply because they are Dominant. Gets old after a while....

Lily


As a Dom that has felt for a long time that there is nothing wrong with treating a submissive woman with respect, I too disagree with Dom's that think they can just treat a woman as worthless because of a "title" they have literally given to themselves.

Just like in real life, respect comes with developing a relationship. To demand it is foolish. At the same time, I would not equate respect being something that is "earned". I see it as a natural evolution of a bond that grows between consenting parties.

Just my .02 but it's not failed me in anything I pursue in life.


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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 10:31:57 AM   
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Politeness and respect has no place in BDSM. You have to consider that Pain, Humiliation and Domination are what comprise BDSM and none of those things are derrived from "respect". I can't help but tell lifestyle douchebags that if dommy is spitting in your face or calling you a whore he doesn't respect you even if its bedroom play. In Catcher Holden talks about his affinity for a particular girl and says "I dont really understand this sex stuff too well because I always make rules for myself and then I go on and break them" he continues to talk about the fact that when he is fooling around with a girl he always thinks about spitting water in her face but says that its his beliefe that if you like a girl you should like her face and if you like her face you shouldn't want to do bad things to it. I think this is the case. Bold disrespect is hot why parade around like kink is about anything more than getting off? Are you going to find the love of your life meeting a woman that likes to be anally fisted when youjust so happen to like fisting women? How do dinners and holidays shape up? Is discussion about abnormally sized butt plugs acceptible conversation? No! of course not so why try to find the love of your life here or in this community? Its absurd and pathetic and makes me question bdsm...maybe its just about the unfortunate trying to make up for all the years they were bullied on the playground or all the times daddy touched them or mommy didn't hug them.

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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 10:39:54 AM   
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Politeness and respect has no place in BDSM. You have to consider that Pain, Humiliation and Domination are what comprise BDSM and none of those things are derrived from "respect".

Hmm they are not derived from respect, but there's no reason they can't co-exist.

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I can't help but tell lifestyle douchebags that if dommy is spitting in your face or calling you a whore he doesn't respect you even if its bedroom play.

I respectfully disagree, on the basis that this is simply false. I respect people I humiliate, and the Owner has told me that he has a lot of respect for me and he certainly degrades and humiliates me. So either I and the Owner are lying, or your statement is false.

I obviously don't consider myself or the Owner a liar.

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Bold disrespect is hot why parade around like kink is about anything more than getting off?

For some it is.
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Are you going to find the love of your life meeting a woman that likes to be anally fisted when youjust so happen to like fisting women?

You might be surprised how many have.
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How do dinners and holidays shape up? Is discussion about abnormally sized butt plugs acceptible conversation? No! of course not so why try to find the love of your life here or in this community?

Most people are multi-faceted and able to fit in and be happy in more than one type of conversation.

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Its absurd and pathetic and makes me question bdsm...maybe its just about the unfortunate trying to make up for all the years they were bullied on the playground or all the times daddy touched them or mommy didn't hug them.

Interesting. Irrelevent, but interesting.


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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 11:36:59 AM   
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Ok, ok, I'll bite.


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Politeness and respect has no place in BDSM. You have to consider that Pain, Humiliation and Domination are what comprise BDSM and none of those things are derrived from "respect".


They aren't? I couldn't be dominanted by someone if I didn't respect him/her. I wouldn't have surrendered to my partner if I didn't have extreme resepct for him.

Also, -my- lifestyle has nothing at all to do with humilation. It isn't in our dynamic. Chill with the over generalizations.


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I can't help but tell lifestyle douchebags that if dommy is spitting in your face or calling you a whore he doesn't respect you even if its bedroom play.


So...wait...I can't respect someone even a little and call them a whore at the same time? That's putting a whole lot more power in language than even_I_ think it has.

Does this mean that when I call my partner a dork face, or a jerk butt, or a bastard I don't respect him? I thought it meant that I loved and respected him so much that he knows that even name-calling and teasing are -just- namecalling and teasing.

I thought the respect in our relationship was so extreme that we communicate enough to understand what we are -really- saying.

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he continues to talk about the fact that when he is fooling around with a girl he always thinks about spitting water in her face but says that its his beliefe that if you like a girl you should like her face and if you like her face you shouldn't want to do bad things to it. I think this is the case.


A point- but says that its his beliefe that if you like a girl you should like her face and if you like her face you shouldn't want to do bad things to it.

See what I'm saying?

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Bold disrespect is hot


Not to me it isn't. We don't play with disrespect.

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why parade around like kink is about anything more than getting off?


Well, because it is.

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Are you going to find the love of your life meeting a woman that likes to be anally fisted when youjust so happen to like fisting women?


Yup. It's happened.

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How do dinners and holidays shape up? Is discussion about abnormally sized butt plugs acceptible conversation? No! of course not


Well, with my partner and I we have plenty of nice "normal" conversations in conjucton with our kink. We have plenty of conversations about buttplugs and floggings too. Incedentally, his partens love me and my parents love him.

Point being, if it's about more than kink you have to have more than kink in common. Sure, maybe you start out with a mutual anal fisting fetish, but if you get to to the holidays and dinners phase (IMHO) you've got more in common than that.

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so why try to find the love of your life here or in this community? Its absurd and pathetic and makes me question bdsm...


Why? because people like relationships? Because we have the integrity to begin a relationship with an open admition of who we are rather than begin 'vanilla' and go behind our partners back?

Do you -honestly- think one cannot find the love of ones life in a power exchange realtionship? Do you honestly think that people cannot engage in power exchange and respect one another?

Why?




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RE: Why is politeness and respect such a big deal in BDSM? - 4/13/2005 12:03:12 PM   
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quote:

first I wrote:
And isn't it always the dominants who are complaining that they aren't getting the respect they *think* they deserve?

and then kc692 proved me wrong by replying:
the submissive (not all, don't get me wrong, I hate sweeping generalizations, but quite a few) will send a "where is your followup?

Hmmm . . . perhaps I need to examine my theory and factor in something to account for the way testosterone affects expectations. But that sounds like too much trouble . . . lets just replace the phrase "always the dominants" with "usually the dominants".



Thank you, I can see you hate sweeping generalizations also, lol....How about the phrase, usually most people, dominant and submissive alike, might occasionally tend to forget the other side, and send "where is my reply?" emails.

Again, not to disagree with you, but not all true dominants think they automatically deserve respect. I have friends, also dominant, and none of us feel that way. For someone to think they deserve respect out of the gate, "just because" translates into everyday life. "I deserve respect because I have lots of money". I deserve respect because a lot of people know me". "I deserve respect because of my position". None of it, including being dominant, has that automatic issuance of respect attached to it, and the ones that think that, are the ones truly that do not deserve or will be able to ever earn that respect. I will say it again, respect has to be earned. Being dominant and being a bully are two very different things.

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