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sexysubbunny -> How to become a pain slut?? (4/10/2005 4:16:08 PM)


I would like to know if it is possible or if any Master has or have
had luck with conditioning a sub/slave into a painslut?
What if your not a natural pain slut? how can one learn to love it?
Is it a mind conditioning issue?
Any advice would help! I have some friends whom would like to know about this???
thank you kindly...!

bunny




BeachMystress -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/10/2005 4:49:16 PM)


Yes, it is very possible to condition someone into enjoying pain via Classical Conditioning. Many of the masochists I know didn't find pain erotic when they started in BDSM. Over time, the reactions of the Dominant.. them being physically aroused by causing the submissive pain, registers as a positive thing in the submissive mind.

My current sub is not a masochist. He is a self described wuss (and I pretty much second that description) but we've had a couple of very intense sessions that included pain. He has started to understand the eroticism of certain types (deep scratching, some of which leave marks bad enough to scar.)

Will he ever be a full fledged masochist with a thirst for any type of pain? I doubt it. But I do expect that he'll end up enjoying any of the types of pain I enjoy dishing out.

Here are some discussions of Conditioning:
http://mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/chap4/chap4d.htm
http://www.wagntrain.com/OC/





iamdownonmyknees -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/10/2005 4:54:25 PM)

In my case pain is enriched by having it accompanied by humiliation.

The mental and emotional barriers that crumble when degraded or humbled leave me open to just about anything.

You know even dominants often follow a path to taking more pleasure in inflicting pain than they did at first. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't equally true of some submissives.

Acceptance and enjoyment grows by increment. What seems intolerable today becomes pleasurable on the morrow. Until after many days, weeks months you find your capacity far beyond your original expectations.

Richard




sexysubbunny -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/10/2005 4:57:23 PM)


thanks very much BeachMystress, !!

bunny.........




sexysubbunny -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/10/2005 4:59:03 PM)



thank you very much for your advice Richard!

bunny........




stef -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/10/2005 5:37:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexysubbunny

I would like to know if it is possible or if any Master has or have had luck with conditioning a sub/slave into a painslut? What if your not a natural pain slut? how can one learn to love it? Is it a mind conditioning issue?


It's certainly possible to condition someone to endure pain but I'm not so sure that you can condition someone to *like* pain if they didn't previously. The latter is more related to how a person is "wired".

Try this for an example. It's not very likely that any amount of conditioning would make a strictly heterosexual man enjoy sucking another man's cock. However, he might happily perform such an act at the bequest of his owner, not because he gained any pleasure whatsoever from the act itself, but instead in knowing that it would please his owner.

~stef




FangsNfeet -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/10/2005 6:04:37 PM)

When it comes to conditioning my pet to like pain I first start with building a tolerance.
Also, during a scene I put sexual sayings and massage the breast and genitals during floggings and such. I add the session into foreplay so that when she gets spanked and such it mentaly relates to being fooled around with and gives her an arousal out of it. Just like the Bell and the Dog contioning theory. The bell rings so the dog salavates because it was condition to think of food. A verbal saying or some slaps of the hand gets her wet because she's being conditioned to think of sex and getting wet.

Thus far it's been working well.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/10/2005 7:41:37 PM)

Just to say, yes it's definitely possible to condition someone to have positive chemical and emotional responses to pain. I will let the masochists and sadists who directly experience this high go into more details.

I, however, simply do not have any significant endorphin response to pain. It's not a universal thing. As I like to put it (and this is after over 6 years of active experience with heavy sadists) "I like everything about pain play except the pain part."




sweetpettjenny -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/11/2005 3:36:30 AM)

I myself was conditioned for pain...it takes time , to reach this level. When you get there ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyyy it is a great experience.




sexysubbunny -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/11/2005 3:28:22 PM)

~ well thanks to everyone on here for all your support and advice to my question!
it has helped very much!

thanks again......and have a happy submissive day ~ :)

bunny.




SirKenin -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/11/2005 6:17:33 PM)

I have found, as a sadist, when You get a sub that is not a masochist as a rule it all depends on Your technique. My current sub-in-training did not like the idea of pain at all at first, but the foot got in the door because she wanted to please Me, so she decided to keep an open mind and try it for herself. At first she could not handle it, so I switched My technique. I made it become less beating or whatever to more seduction and sensuality. Along with My typical setting the stage with music, candles, etc it quickly elevated her into a subspace that she never even imagined possible during the sessions. As time goes on I will add more and more, pushing her limits and taking her to new heights.

It has been an absolutely amazing experience for both of U/us.




Padriag -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/12/2005 4:00:28 AM)

My experience is that there are those submissives who already are pain sluts, those who have potential to become painsluts, and those who will just never get there. Recognizing those with the undeveloped potential is something I'm still exploring. Its not always obvious. One of the first women I ever played with initially couldn't stand pain and cried like a baby if she stubbed her toe. But after 6 months of working with her she was nearly addicted to pain an became afraid she could no longer have an orgasm without pain being involved (which I proved wasn't true).

The process of tapping that potential involves conditioning the response so that pain and pleasure become associated together. In the beginning I use very specific forms of mild pain which is then associated with pleasurable sensations. For example, if I want her to learn to really enjoy being spanked I'll fondle her pussy some during the spanking so that the two sensations are mixed. I'll also stop to massage her ass. I've found that during pain sessions a massage of the "injured" area helps to transform the pain into something more pleasant, the often described "warmth" or "glow" that you sometimes hear about.




workslaveboy -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/13/2005 2:51:03 AM)

as long its not any bodily injuries which ressulted to disabilities and damages.....
im always chained down when im abused as to restraint any turn-off y the pains....[:)]




sierranights -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/13/2005 12:52:21 PM)

After reading the posts I think you have your answer. Yes positive reinforcement, and Pavlov's theory, suggest you can condition living things. Maybe a good place to start. Also, perhaps you can talk to the specifics of those on the board here who have underwent it. Padriag's regiment makes sense to me and it doesn't only apply to the BDSM world.

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I'll also stop to massage her ass. I've found that during pain sessions a massage of the "injured" area helps to transform the pain into something more pleasant, the often described "warmth" or "glow" that you sometimes hear about.


I love that counter feeling! In fact sometimes you can endure more just waiting for that feeling. (well for *me* anyways)

I just thought I might add a couple of practical in the moment things, and a few of my own opinions. Not all pain is equal!! And I am not talking about intensity. There is a different sensation when you do it from one part to another on your body. The feel of electricity is different then a flogger. Even so much to say there can be a difference in how you sit/stand or lay when recieveing. So, I would suggest you find the one that is not necessarily painful but annoying, or perhaps irritating. I also started laying down, it is easier to relax when you dont have to try and stand (that was just my personal preference, and I am not averse to pain...IM just thinking of the pain I dont like as much lol). I would also think, that the more of your body affected, the less the initial pain would be..start bigger then reduce it or increase it as it may be. Same with intensity. Do not try to go for hours on your first attempt, start small and take pleasure in the small incremements. But the actual conditioning process I am thinking it is better for those in a dominant position to comment on, and def ones with more experience then I. But as sub, let me add a couple things of practical nature, that probably has a physiological basis for it. Breathe.....deep and steady. Breathe rythmycally (this is used in cults among other things, in meditation, and a variety of other activites legal or not to induce a different state) Anytime a person is in pain, whether in labour, or after a tramautic accident...you are told to breathe. More oxygen, it requires you to focus, and it propbably does other thigns too. Visualizations (can be done with breathing) as you breathe out, let all the pain go, and focus on the after feelings ( I find them exquisite), or if you dont like the feeling, breathe out and let it go, and think wow I did it. Whatever [:)], use it to let go, use it to affirm yourself, use it to know that you just gave your Dom/me a thrill. Or I have focussed on the actual pain, feeling the sting as it lands and how it spreads across my body. (but I am not sure if that would work for you). Find the pleasure in whatever. Your mind is a powerful tool~ use just have to learn how it ticks. Finally, be RELAXED. Tense muscles do not handle stress as well or as easily. Breathing helps with this, wanting it helps with this, committing yourself helps. It also help with focus, cause then you focus more on the act of relaxing. Perhaps eventually, you will feel yourself slip away. Also, warm yourself up, and if you like "fear" play or if you and your partner are sexual together become aroused. It might be easier. Your body will already have endorphins rushing through it. (Nothing like a good does of adrenaline, lol to buffer the pain) But I think, time, gradual build up, trust, pleasure/pain combined, and using your mind to alleviate discomfort is the way to go.

~Best wishes and good luck




MrThorns -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/13/2005 3:16:55 PM)

Practice practice practice...

Yes, there is conditioning involved. Perhaps training to associate pain with pleasure...or that pain is a method for remaining in the present moment. There are, however some people who just really really really enjoy pain without having received any conditioning at all.

~Thorns




CitizenCane -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/15/2005 11:26:06 AM)

sierranights is correct- not all pain is equal. Pavlovian technique can help reinforce associations between some kinds of pain and pleasure, but other kinds, perhaps not. Some kinds of pain are 'sexual' physiologically. They stimulate blood flow to sexual parts and the whole endorphin trip. Other kinds of pain don't have this connection (toothaches, for instance). It might be very difficult to use Pavlovian technique to make that kind of pain pleasurable in any sense. Generally speaking, starting with the kinds of pain that have the most immediate sexual connections, reinforcing the connection strongly, and then gradually expanding the scope would be the most likely approach to succeed.





darkness696 -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (4/17/2005 3:40:23 AM)

just wondering why you would like to be a painslut? and why would anyone have the urge to be able to handle more pain?




natasha66 -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (1/9/2007 1:36:46 PM)

Never in a million years did I imagine I would crave pain, but I do.....it's just a fact. 




SimplyMichael -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (1/9/2007 10:17:28 PM)

I was very much a "fluffy dom" when I started but I have slowly gotten to where causing pain makes my cock harder and harder.  I wouldn't say piercing the skin on a nipple with my fingernails upon first meeting is hotter for me than gagging her with my cock but the two do seem to go quite well together.




simplyangelic1 -> RE: How to become a pain slut?? (1/9/2007 10:37:18 PM)

I can only speak from personal experience.  When I first started out, I couldn't take alot of pain, even though it was a huge turn on for me.  But each session, and each encounter ( Sir likes to sneak in a few cracks of the whip every now and then) I find that I can handle more then I could.  While I don't describe myself as a pain slut...others have said I am....I think I'm a wuss compared to some I've seen play.




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