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RE: 623,552 - 3/28/2007 10:01:15 PM   
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623,552? Verily: I am shocked. I would have expected at least two decimals.
 
So: 0.6 million approximately. Are those people that have commited crimes, or people that are illegal? What is the average size of a USA prison these days? Ten thousand inmates? Then the USA must build another sixty prisons.
 
Of course it will cost a lot to build prisons for illegal aliens and to maintain and support the inmate populations, whereas it is profitable when they are not in prison and contribute with their labour to the economy. Do you still consider illegal aliens to be a problem? If you do, it will cost you; if you don't, you will profit from their cheap labour.


Rule, it's costing all of us right now!
They had figures on Numbersusa and also on other sites that said illegal aliens cost U.S. Taxpayers $92B last year (2006)
So companies hire them for $7.50 per hour and give them "no benefits", but WE the TAXPAYERS get stuck paying for their Healthcare, Dental, Social Services, prisons and their children go to OUR schools!

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RE: 623,552 - 3/28/2007 10:31:42 PM   
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Popeye,

1st things 1st, I would suggest you take the cock...ugh glock out of your back pocket, they are uncomfortable to sit on.  an IWB strongside, or apendix may be a more appropirate for your cock,errr glock.  Certainly quicker to get your (gl)cock into action. 

As for the illigal part and the Gov't not doing there job I agree with you.  They seem a bit inconsitant in policy.  However, If we assume that they could do something about the 622,000 and enforce to a sufficant degree what ever immegration laws they had , would you still be opposed to a guest worker, or similar program to bring in immigrant labor, and what if by doing so it incresed control, and the ability to collect taxes, etc.



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B12345, I use a Bianchi.
I really don't think that any type of "worker program" is really neccessary. The last time I checked there is no "shortage" of high school dropouts! They're everywhere here!
It's a myth that there is a "labor shortage" There may be an " illegal alien slave labor shortage."
I guarantee you that if you take out an ad in the paper for laborers that pays $20 per hour with full benefits you'll have no problem getting all the help you want. And that's on the low side these days for construction laborers.
If we were to have a "worker program" first of all I wouldn't let Mexico or Central or S. American countries participate in it.
Almost all of our illegal alien problem is because of them.
You'd just be rewarding lawlessness. Our govt should be having less dealings with them not more.
That Mexican border needs to be shut down tighter than a gnat's ass. It really needs to be totally closed.
That'd be good duty for our Troops returning from Iraq! Put some nice plush Army/ Marine bases down there with swimming pools, VERY nice housing, all kinds of recreation facilities, cheap beer prices and concubines like the French Foreign Legion has.
They earned it!
And I don't think companies would want anything to do with any program I'd be in favor of.
First they'd have to pay the *prevailing wage*.
And *all* expenses for any worker that they imported, health, dental, everything!
That should be a provision that those workers not cost the U.S. Taxpayers *one red penny.*
Also, it should be for a period of two years and they do not bring family with them.
And, under no circumstances could they even be *considered* for U.S. Citizenship. Marry an American woman? Fine but you go back to your own country in two years, period. Your "American wife" can go back to China with you.
And since they'd be here to work they should have minimal contact with American Citizens and be under company supervision at all times and stay in company compounds when not working.
The big companies *probably* wouldn't want to participate in a "worker's program" like that because it would cost them a lot of money to do so and they'd have to be "responsable."
I'm just sick to death of those fuckin pukes in suits GS 18's or whatever they are telling us they can't do their jobs!

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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 8:11:51 AM   
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I would be inclined to agree with you Popeye. as to my own beliefs the only people fit to LEAD a nation are those who would FIGHT for that nation. Why not link Conscriptive Service to voting rights AND citizenship? it would certainly give an appreciation for what it's all about. However the Bleeding Hearts would throw fits about it.


Robert Heinlein makes that point in Starship Troopers.  I would suggest changing it a little bit so that instead of necessarily having to go kill people and blow things up, a person volunteers for a 2 year stint after high school or college where they have to go do something, anything, to show that they are willing to give something back to the body politic.  Test medicines, build houses for Habitat For Humanity, etc.

At the conclusion of their service, they are granted voting rights and the ability to run for political office.

It is not just the Bleeding Hearts that would object, Tenire.  Most of the current gaggle of nitwits elected to high office avoided any sort of military service, or got their way into a cushy and safe gig, and then went AWOL. 

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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 8:14:20 AM   
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They had figures on Numbersusa and also on other sites that said illegal aliens cost U.S. Taxpayers $92B last year



Why dont we just reinstitute the draft for anybody in this country without a Green Card or passport?

Kill two birds with one stone; get rid of the illegal immigrant problem and allow US citizens exiled to Iraq to come home?

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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 9:25:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is this theme park in Mexico where you can play the part of an illegal immigrant crossing the border. Some see this as a training camp for potential border crossers.

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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 11:57:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I bet the Native Americans wish they had implemented some kind of immigration control.

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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 3:46:00 PM   
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I bet the Native Americans wish they had implemented some kind of immigration control.


liks2, yup, that "open borders" crap didn't work out too well for them, did it?
And it's not good for us either.

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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 9:00:04 PM   
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I bet the Native Americans wish they had implemented some kind of immigration control.


liks2, yup, that "open borders" crap didn't work out too well for them, did it?
And it's not good for us either.


popeye, this one is priceless, LOL


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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 9:03:07 PM   
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They had figures on Numbersusa and also on other sites that said illegal aliens cost U.S. Taxpayers $92B last year



Why dont we just reinstitute the draft for anybody in this country without a Green Card or passport?

Kill two birds with one stone; get rid of the illegal immigrant problem and allow US citizens exiled to Iraq to come home?

Sinergy


This actually is a viable option Sinergy, I thought of this one years ago.  After they serve in the military 2 years, they
can become citizens.  Why should they reap the benefits of living here, yet pay no taxes, get medical care and not have
to serve in the military?

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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 9:05:54 PM   
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I bet the Native Americans wish they had implemented some kind of immigration control.



LOL!

In that sense, aren't we ALL Illegal Aliens?



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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 9:08:04 PM   
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yet pay no taxes


EVERY SINGLE ILLEGAL ALIEN USING "BORROWED" PAPERS PAYS FULL TAXES, BUT NEVER GETS ANY SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS TIED TO THE FAKE NUMBER.

The US is making a profit on these guys, it's wrong to suggest that undocumented workers aren't paying taxes.



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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 9:08:20 PM   
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Some of us were brought as slaves. 

< Message edited by MzMia -- 3/29/2007 9:10:18 PM >

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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 10:44:40 PM   
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yet pay no taxes


EVERY SINGLE ILLEGAL ALIEN USING "BORROWED" PAPERS PAYS FULL TAXES, BUT NEVER GETS ANY SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS TIED TO THE FAKE NUMBER.

The US is making a profit on these guys, it's wrong to suggest that undocumented workers aren't paying taxes.




Fargle, you're missing the point, they shouldn't be working here at all. They shouldn't even be here. Even if they not working they're breaking the law just by their very presence in this country.
That's funny, "undocumented"
Like they're just waiting for their "documents" to arrive by mail "any day now!"

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RE: 623,552 - 3/29/2007 11:18:10 PM   
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Fargle, you're missing the point, they shouldn't be working here at all. They shouldn't even be here. Even if they not working they're breaking the law just by their very presence in this country.
That's funny, "undocumented"
Like they're just waiting for their "documents" to arrive by mail "any day now!"


These days, with the PATRIOT ACT and whatnot, it seems like no-one can get through the day without breaking SOME law.

If that's the standard, then we've got a huge problem.

Me? I figure if CAPITAL can cross borders freely, why not LABOR?



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RE: 623,552 - 3/30/2007 4:16:42 AM   
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Ok if these illegal immigrants are commiting crimes then they must have some idea where they are!! You know somewhere near the crime scene!!
They may be committing crimew because its there only way to survive. Maybe your government should be thinking about helping them.
Recent reports say that the USA have only made things worse in Iraq so them flitting to the USA - payback??


Help them back across the border, ok no problem, we'll help them. That is, of course, after we have helped them understand the court system depending on the crime committed. Of course, if you feel, they are only committing the crimes because they are poor misunderstood illegals, then maybe we should help them over to your house. Then you can take care of them.

note: i am going to ignore the payback crack, cause that had to be a joke right...

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RE: 623,552 - 3/30/2007 4:20:54 AM   
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Some of the best hands I have worked with were folks whose papers were questionable. I now know for a FACT they were illegals, but it wasn't for me to say.

Bottom line, those guys take jobs that we don't want or are too proud/lazy to do and they bust ass and smile about it.

As for the criminals, shoot'em! Send their carcasses home to their Country of Origin . That way you KNOW they won't be coming back. then again that's not a very PC viewpoint. That's a viewpoint from a Texan that lives side by side with illegal aliens in his own community that has seen exactly how much crime an apartment complex full of illegals can commit. Why doesn't our Government keep track of them? Because then they'd have to claim RESPONSIBILITY for them being here and expected to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.


If you knew those same "hands" regularly ran out and broke into houses, stole peoples valuables, would it be for you to say then? Would it make a difference if the houses belonged to people you knew and cared about? Just wondering....

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