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Secondly, there is a huge difference in hiring anyone to put in a sheet of rock and hring an actual skilled rock crew.   Patching rentals and  finishing out a condo building.  try filling out a crew without our Mexican friends and see how far you get. 

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger



There's houses being built all around here and I do business with all the contractors, and none that I know use illegal aliens.

I hear you saying Americans can't / won't do construction jobs?


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Yep thats what I am saying, the younger set doesn't want to do it anymore.  They surely are not out here on the job trying to get hired.  We hired a crew who subbed framing and rock for us (run by a Mexican and all of the crew were Mexicans)  why?  Because after months we gave up trying to find people.   When we could find someone we were lucky if they lasted a week before they decided it was too much work.

But the key to you quote, was "As far as I know" which sums it up, because what that means is  "I have no clue and I am just guessing".  Are you saying there are no Mexicans on the crews?  Your gonna tell me which ones are legal and which ones aren't?  There were lots of times we worked and after a few weeks I could tell you who was legal and who was not.  A lot of that was because I got along with them and didn't care. 

You slipped your post in between two and that was not directed at you, but if you want to get ugly we can.

K

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

i dont buy the theory that immegration is a bonus to the country.

if 12-20 million had citizenship- all social programs would be in peril.

SSI, SSDI, heating assistence, food stamps, medicare, medicaid.  all of that cost money.
IMO- amnesty would bankrupt some of the states. as there would be no way to PAY for all the new comers-

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

i am against mexican tractor trailer simis being on our roads.

side note: hispanics seem to not get along with blacks. last week we had a riot here-- the newspaper always chooses carefull wording-

i hope to god gangs on any national origin dont come here.

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

LOL, the way you phrase things, amuses me.
You need a spanking.[:D]
I tell you what, many of them are joining the ranks of the unemployed.
With the housing boom slowing down, many are just standing around.
I have often wondered how we will support several million unemployed illegal immigrants.
Maybe we can relocate them to areas of America that have high rates of unemployment.
We can give them motor homes to travel to where they jobs are. 

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I think you missed my point. I was born and raised in Missouri. If someone would have told me that people pay 2.50 for bread when its on sale I'd have choked. I bought mine for 65 cents.

Because I am frugal I've never paid any thing like that for fruit- but plenty... and I do mean.... plenty of people would pay that much for it. Not just people who work in the city on their lunch break, but people who live in the city. They'd simply buy less of them.

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Average people definitely are willing to pay out the rear for random things... look at the massive popularity of Starbucks.

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Now... I am a sustainable eater- which is basically the gist of what you were posting about earlier... and I am an activist advocating sustainable eating- My only point was that unless alternatives are made reasonably easy for people they'll pay what they have to be lazy and get what they want without much effort.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Nikolette, what's a "sustainable eater?"
Is that like you stay at a certain weight all the time?
If I were a "sustainable eater" could I still have steak and donuts?

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ORIGINAL: orfunboi

i got this in an email the other day and it pretty much sums up my opinion on ILLEGAL immegration....
Opinions are a lot like assholes ...most everyone has one and most feel that theirs works best for them.

"Recently large  demonstrations have taken place across the country 
protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of
>illegal immigration.
>
>Certain people are  angry that the US might protect its own borders, might
>make it harder to  sneak into this country and, once here, to stay
>indefinitely.
I do not believe this is the stated purpose of the protesters.
>
>Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.
>Let's say I break into your house.
Lets say instead that you stole half of my country and built your house on a portion of it.
>Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you  insist that I
>leave.
Actually you are insisting that they stay and continue to work for slave wages and stay out of sight.
>But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed  the dishes and did the
>laundry and swept the floors.
>I've done all the things you don't like to do.
Actually they have done all the things you are too cheap to pay a citizen to do.
>I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your  house).
Of course your house is built on my land which you stole at the point of a gun. 
>According to the protesters:
>
>You are Required to  let me stay in your house
They are asking to be paid a living wage.
>You are Required to  add me to your family's insurance plan
Which they pay for through deductions from their wages that are never remited to the government.
>You are Required to  Educate my kids
Wrong...education comes from property taxes and unless you live under a bridge or in a dumpster you pay property taxes whether you are a rentor or a property owner.
>You are Required to  Provide other benefits to me and to my family
Such as???
>(my husband will do all of your  yard work because he is also hard-working
>and honest, except for that  breaking in part).
And the part that you stole the land.
>
>If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who
>will picket your house carrying signs  that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.
Yeah that freedom of speach thing really sux don't it.
>
>It's only fair, after all,  because you have a nicer house than I do, and
>I'm just trying to  better myself.
After all you did steal half of my country at the point of a gun.  I know that there will be some that will trot out the old line that countries always have wars and that is just how things are...which in essence means it is ok for me to break the law but not you, besides that was then this is now...
>
>I'm a hard-working and honest, person,  except for well, you know, I did
>break into your  house.
You steal half my country and I work for slave wages without documentation...
>
>And what  a deal it is for me!!!
Not from where I stand.
>
>I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep,
Actually they contribute as much or more than any other citizen.


>and there is nothing you can do about  it without being accused of cold,
>uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and  bigoted behavior.
The truth can be unpleasant.
>
>Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY  LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate
>with me.
I have never heard any latino spoksperson make this demand. 
I had always been under the impression that learning a forign language was the hallmark of an educated person.  When I went to high school learning a foriegn language was a requirement for graduation.  When I went to university a second foriegn language was required for graduation.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

i dont buy the theory that immegration is a bonus to the country.

if 12-20 million had citizenship- all social programs would be in peril.

SSI, SSDI, heating assistence, food stamps, medicare, medicaid.  all of that cost money.
IMO- amnesty would bankrupt some of the states. as there would be no way to PAY for all the new comers-

pahunkboy:
You seem to be making the assumption that first there are between twelve and twenty million illegal aliens in this country....how did you arrive at that particular figure?
The second assumption you are making is that  all of your alleged twelve to twenty million will automatically be on some sort of government assistance.
How and by what process have you arrived at this conclusion?
thompson

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

i dont buy the theory that immegration is a bonus to the country.

if 12-20 million had citizenship- all social programs would be in peril.

SSI, SSDI, heating assistence, food stamps, medicare, medicaid.  all of that cost money.
IMO- amnesty would bankrupt some of the states. as there would be no way to PAY for all the new comers-

pahunkboy:
You seem to be making the assumption that first there are between twelve and twenty million illegal aliens in this country....how did you arrive at that particular figure?
The second assumption you are making is that  all of your alleged twelve to twenty million will automatically be on some sort of government assistance.
How and by what process have you arrived at this conclusion?
thompson

The govts number is 12 million.  CNNs number is 20 million.
These two sources have always been the most reliable in some peoples opinions, just not mine.
If I remember correctly did'nt CNN tell us that Gore had won....and the government told us that sodamned insane had weapons of mass deception?
I am curious as to how CNN and the government arrived at these figures.

I stand by my statement that on the state level- budgets that are already strained- will become VERY strained should amnesty occur.
So you are sticking with your assumption that all of the illegal aliens will be on public assistance?  How did you arrive at this conclusion?

This is not fair to the folks on these programs- that have been here all their lives.
Both the government and CNN have a long history of being fair?
 
 

Therefore states will cut programs, severely limit them, or perhaps grandfather in...meaning if you are on xyz program now- you can stay; but no new ppl.

Case in point- Drs who accept medicare.  Many DRs can't accept medicare as payments do not cover their costs. So the "are not accepting new patients".
If by "cover their costs" you mean he will only be making a quarter of a million this year,after taxes, that does cause me a great deal of consternation.  Who will be left to buy junque bonds and time shares?

A family with 22 children is going to put a strain on teh system.
Are you talking about the Kennedy's?
thompson