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EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 11:49:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: nella No i do not think you consider yourself to be worthless, but for me that would be the case if i was to give up all happiness and jsut serve one man. i sere becouse i want to, i serve becouse it is in my nature, i do not live to serve. I guess that's the difference. I haven't given up happiness, I want to serve, I am a slave. But I did accept that means that I can't expect extra affection and attention on my terms.

cellogrrlMK -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 12:10:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveanwyl thankyou for your reply its true in all my life i have never been seen as special or even been loved and so when now i have this and Master says things to me like you are beautiful and you are worth this and this i find it so hard to accept. because always i was told i was no good and so i have found it very hard to adjust and to adapt to his way of seeing things slaveanwyl, I saw your picture.. you ARE beautiful! I'm sorry if you were abused the way you were (being told you are no good is abuse in my eyes). Now you have a Master who treasures, values and maybe even loves you? OMG, what a concept! lol Luxuriate in his value of you, you are WORTH it, and don't you ever forget that! [:)] cello

sierranights -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 12:13:28 PM)
I agree with you too lil1v. I will say that I am not likely ever to be a slave. While I like serving, and I like limits pushed, and I like being used. I do not like that feeling only. In fact I have been told to go find the wishy-washy doms lol, so I can top from the bottom. But that is not what I seek. I guess I have found few to whom I naturally "defer" too. In fact it is that exact ability that you mention lil1v that brings out the sub in me. quote: One of the most attractive qualities I've ever found in a Dom/me is the ability to love with everything that is in them, and yet never lose control. To care, and yet because they care, discipline. To protect me from harm, yet blissfully torture me themselves. To that kind of Dom, I could become slave-like if not a slave itself. It's the slow seduction, the slow undermining of my own defences. It is the passion of the Dom, that takes me places I am not sure I would have gone. It is the ability to give all you can, 100%, the ability to stand strong in your beliefs, the ability to express both sides of the coin. The ability to appreciate what I give you, much the way I adore the things you give me. Who is control is never in question. As too emeraldslave2, I do somewhat understand what you are saying. When I started this journey, i met someone. We in no way had any kind of formal relationship. We were friends, and ultimately he was something of a mentor. And yet.......I loved serving him in any way I could (and I mean serving in a non sexual or even pain way), I asked nothing of him, and expected nothing. I dropped everything I did when I saw him, I used my resources to make his life easier. But, all that said, he also fulfilled my needs, not because I asked, but because he was perceptive enough. Because he cared enough.His smiles made my day, I lived for them, and I did feel special. He made me a better person in the end plain and simple. I suppose it is very similar to what Padriag stated. As an investment. With cultivation, your investment grows stronger. As it did with me, and him. And that was all informal lol. Now that I have told you he was a great guy, caring, nice whatever....Now ask me had I ever been his whipping post, if he would have shown me mercy~lol Hell no~! Ask me when I deserved it...did he shrug his shoulders and say oh well~Hell no~ quote: Don't ever mistake my love, affection or gentleness for weakness. There's a thundering velvet hand behind it. ` That is how I viewed him, and it is what I specifically seek [;)] But I guess this is one of those issues I have a problem with as well. I just do not understand. I understand the pleasure you get form serving, and I understand sme people love..and moreso need someone who takes complete control. But at the same time I worry, I wonder how a person can maintain their sense of self, of value, of preservation if they only live to serve someone who is mean, crass, unpassionate. Perhaps those people's Masters are not so, it just seems to come across that way. And then I worry, for some people I ave talked to on the interenet seem to be misogynists, and I wonder how a person can want or need to be in any sort of relationship where the other person essentially hates you. But to each their own, and all I wish is that everyone is happy with their own choices. For they are truly the only ones who have to live with it. As I am still learning, as you can likely tell [;)] I think it is great that your Master said such a thing to you, and from what I can gather, as a slave you have no choice but to believe him, and really what motive does he have to lie. It seems to me that slave means differently to different people. But those who truly live thier life for another person, one who has "no" limits with their Master, those who choose to go into that lifestyle with the knowledge willingly, Iw oudl guess they are rare, but I am not a statician [;)] In any case, I think the others have answered your question well enough, and I am happy for you and Him! quote: And of course I wear the rose-colored glasses regarding all of this .....lol I view the world like that!

lil1v -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 12:40:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveanwyl thankyou for your reply its true in all my life i have never been seen as special or even been loved and so when now i have this and Master says things to me like you are beautiful and you are worth this and this i find it so hard to accept. because always i was told i was no good and so i have found it very hard to adjust and to adapt to his way of seeing things sends slaveanwyl hugs Its a normal reaction believe me. I was a pain in my ex-Master's butt about it till I realized what I was doing in my head. And I've met several subs who have done and do the same thing. When you're told your worthless enough, its hard to believe otherwise. But believe me you'll find it much more rewarding to believe your Master. He is your Master, and you should trust his judgement. Only his opinion matters anyway right?

lil1v -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 12:55:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2 I haven't given up happiness, I want to serve, I am a slave. But I did accept that means that I can't expect extra affection and attention on my terms. That is your choice and if it makes you happy.. by all means enjoy. It is not a way that would make me happy. I am picky about who I "serve" but then I'm not really all that "service" oriented. Though I do like to please my Dom as much as possible, and have always tried to find new ways to please him. I don't think I could ever "serve" just cuz and to whomever. My service comes from love and admiration, it is one of the ways I show affection, trust, respect. It is my nature.

EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 1:10:45 PM)
quote: But I guess this is one of those issues I have a problem with as well. I just do not understand. I understand the pleasure you get form serving, and I understand sme people love..and moreso need someone who takes complete control. But at the same time I worry, I wonder how a person can maintain their sense of self, of value, of preservation if they only live to serve someone who is mean, crass, unpassionate. I don't know. I would assume that they willingly understood what they were accepting and thus it fulfills them. Submissives get told enough by vanilla people that they are just letting someone walk all over them and being weak...I'm not sure we can do the same in good faith to slaves who choose a different style. quote: Perhaps those people's Masters are not so, it just seems to come across that way. It comes across as unfeeling and cold and distant because it's not all roses and spoiling and petting and "good girls." The Owner and I are not lovers, we are not friends, we are not anything except Owner and property. I have others to be a girlfriend, lover and friend with. Yes, the Owner could give me away permanently tomorrow. Yes, the Owner could decide not to see me for months. Yes, I would accept those things. I think this may be hard for people who cannot see the possibility of loving AND being given away, but it is absolutely the reality I work under. If you look at my journals it comes across pretty clearly that I have a full life, family, work, friends, lovers, and am usually way overbooked. But ultimately, I serve the Owner and his purpose, if it suits him to give me away, to ignore me, then that's what I signed up for in becoming his property. Simply put- both can exist. As so many have said in this thread- a master can be very loving, whether he chooses to be or not is another story.

nella -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 1:24:32 PM)
Emerald. i would not like to live the way you do, but i do not mean that that is not right for you. To eaths their own, and what make me happy do not nesseary make you happy and vice versa. If you are happy whit your life then wehoo and good for you. [:D]

Interesdom -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 1:52:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag I look at a slave as an investment of my time and energy, and I expect a positive return on that investment. The more time I spend training, teaching and guiding the development of a slave towards what I need her to become, the more she succeeds in moving towards that goal, the more valuable she becomes to me. I protect her because I am protecting my investment and because I care for her. I care for her both because I want her to continue to succeed and because I care for her emotionally. I care for her emotionally because she is a person with whom I have a special bond, not an object... she is human property, not a lifeless possession. If I say she is precious to me, it is because she has made herself so, through her efforts, her successes at meeting what I require of her. Don't ever mistake my love, affection or gentleness for weakness. There's a thundering velvet hand behind it. Absolutely and totally. Plus also if she is precious to me through because she has made herself so then this reflects right back on me for nurturing, training and disciplining her so that she has become so worthwhile. A slave who is worthless (assuming she is not just recently enslaved or changed hands) surely belongs to an owner who is, at best, incompatible. Any slave or would-be slave thinking long-term surely wants to be precious. Why else would I own her? Since I am currently hunting for a slave, perhaps I should add this to my list of queries for a new prospective: "do you want to be valued?"

sierranights -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 2:55:22 PM)
quote: But I guess this is one of those issues I have a problem with as well. I just do not understand. I understand the pleasure you get form serving, and I understand sme people love..and moreso need someone who takes complete control. But at the same time I worry, I wonder how a person can maintain their sense of self, of value, of preservation if they only live to serve someone who is mean, crass, unpassionate. quote: I don't know. I would assume that they willingly understood what they were accepting and thus it fulfills them. Submissives get told enough by vanilla people that they are just letting someone walk all over them and being weak...I'm not sure we can do the same in good faith to slaves who choose a different style. Absolutely correct, I thank you for turning a mirror unto myself.[:D] And in so doing, I believe I know where my misunderstanding came from. I had the same problem with S/M originally. I thought originally "omg how can someone do that?!), I must say though I was not against it, or judgemental per se, but uncomprehending. The misunderstanding lied in the fact I was thinkig Corporal Punishment in China, or Russian interrogation. When my friend told me "a good whipper will never hurt you", it all fell into place. Needless to say, I understand that sooo much more now, and good for me, for it's my excstacy. And so, I believe when I thought of "slave" I think 1600's, and all the horrible stories from that time. But, as you pointed out....we must assume it is something they enter willingly and with the understanding of it. In so doing, they search for something and find it, much like everyone else regardles of title or categorization. And like so many in this lifestyle, there are so many degrees, so many levels, and ultimately it comes down to the people involved. So, thank you for your response, for increasing my own knowledge, for pointing out my faults with my own perceptions, and ultimately for increasing tolerance in the world. I would love to read your journals if I may, just for better understading. Like nella said, I could not live that way, but then many could not live my way. And I truly do believe that diversity and variety is what makes life so fulfilling. But all in all, I am happy for you, and everything you have found, and I wish you the best for the future before you, in all areas of your life. Thanks again [:)] ~Sierra

EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 3:23:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sierranights When my friend told me "a good whipper will never hurt you", it all fell into place. Hmmm not sure about that- a good whipper will hurt you or not exactly when he means to do so. quote: I would love to read your journals if I may, just for better understading. I put them out there to be read, I AM an exhibitionist. :) Mostly what you'll see is that I've got a lot going on, busy happy life for the most part which 90% looks like just anyone else....who happens to have a lot of "boyfriends."

kisshou -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 7:41:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Interesdom Absolutely and totally. Plus also if she is precious to me through because she has made herself so then this reflects right back on me for nurturing, training and disciplining her so that she has become so worthwhile. A slave who is worthless (assuming she is not just recently enslaved or changed hands) surely belongs to an owner who is, at best, incompatible. Any slave or would-be slave thinking long-term surely wants to be precious. Why else would I own her? Since I am currently hunting for a slave, perhaps I should add this to my list of queries for a new prospective: "do you want to be valued?" maybe it is the word precious (as in "my precious" ...lotr) that squicks me i am a slave , property ,,,,valuable property are you sure you are looking for a slave or are you really looking for a sub? :)

nella -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 8:26:04 PM)
i think a slave can be precius to. Property can be that. i have owned many pets that have been precious to me. my cat is precious to me, but i do not realy own her, she could tecnicaly just leve, she is just a loved part of the family. She is my littel baby.

cellogrrlMK -> RE: are slaves rare (4/13/2005 9:31:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: nella i think a slave can be precius to. Property can be that. i have owned many pets that have been precious to me. my cat is precious to me, but i do not realy own her, she could tecnicaly just leve, she is just a loved part of the family. She is my littel baby. [:)] [:)] [:)] nella! I always refer to myself as being owned by my cats, they are more precious to me than all the gold in in the world! cello

nella -> RE: are slaves rare (4/14/2005 3:21:21 AM)
Yes she do boss around in the house dos she not. Twinning both me and my Dom around her littel finger, or more precisly paw. And she is so adorabel. And an absolutly butiful creature. Even if now she is angry, becuse the landlord have a new baby, she cannot go outside unthil six o clock in the afternoon. She is mawing, feeling that her imperial rights are being ignored. [:D]

cellogrrlMK -> RE: are slaves rare (4/14/2005 7:54:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: nella Yes she do boss around in the house dos she not. Twinning both me and my Dom around her littel finger, or more precisly paw. And she is so adorabel. And an absolutly butiful creature. Even if now she is angry, becuse the landlord have a new baby, she cannot go outside unthil six o clock in the afternoon. She is mawing, feeling that her imperial rights are being ignored. [:D] [:)] nella

Mercnbeth -> RE: are slaves rare (4/14/2005 8:15:07 AM)
quote: this girl would ask do you think slaves are a rare and prescious comodityand if so why ? it is a very warming and compassionate thing for Master to call His slave precious to HIM....but are "slaves" in general a rare and precious commodity? well, not to toot this slaves own horn or anything but if the slave is a natural redhead, then the answer is yes and here is why: quote: "Red hair, say scientists in a report by the Oxford Hair Foundation, is in retreat because a maximum of just 4% of the world’s population carry the gene. Because the gene is recessive, it is diluted whenever carriers of the gene have children with people who have the stronger brown hair gene. Dr. John Gray of the Oxford Hair Foundation said black and brown haired people are wiping out the red hair gene. “The way things are going red hair will either be extremely rare or extinct by the end of the century,” he said. full text of the artical "Red Hair on Death Row" By Georgina Brennan can be found at: http://www.irishabroad.com/news/irishinamerica/news/redhair.asp [:)]

EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: are slaves rare (4/14/2005 8:22:21 AM)
LOL Beth very cool. My sister and I are the offspring of two brown-eyed, right-handed parents and we are both green-eyed lefties. My sister married a brown-eyed right-handed man as well and their first son is blue-eyed and left-handed. Go figure. I can tell you that I think every beau I have right now absolutely ranks red-heads as their top drool choice.

DrkAngl -> RE: are slaves rare (4/14/2005 10:16:47 AM)
lil1v, I have to agree with you. I think it's different for each of us. Some feel they couldn't trust a Master or Mistress that said they were worth so much, yet in some subs/slaves it would create an even greater bond between the two. Why is it so difficult for some to believe another could truely be worth so much to their Master or Mistress. Don't Dommes and Doms usually consider their subs/slaves properity? And doesn't most people take care of what is rightfully theirs? Just a little something to ponder. The way I see it, no one is totally right and no one is totally wrong where this type of subject is concerned. Why should we all fit one cookie-cutter mould when we're all different and of different opinions. Perhaps just agree to disagree. :) Enjoy and let enjoy. Careing doesn't automatically=weakness.

Alexander -> RE: are slaves rare (4/14/2005 10:20:15 AM)
This thread reminds me that every one needs to read Baldwins 'slavecraft'. Alex.

sissymaidlola -> RE: rare redheaded slaves (4/14/2005 1:40:48 PM)
quote: Red hair, say scientists in a report by the Oxford Hair Foundation, is in retreat because a maximum of just 4% of the world’s population carry the gene. Because the gene is recessive, it is diluted whenever carriers of the gene have children with people who have the stronger brown hair gene. Dr. John Gray of the Oxford Hair Foundation said black and brown haired people are wiping out the red hair gene. “The way things are going red hair will either be extremely rare or extinct by the end of the century,” he said. Well, that's very interesting. sissy Hasn't read this whole thread but just found this post via the red hair reference. Almost ALL the Women that sissy has had his best and longest relationships with in his life have had red or auburn colored hair. The Irish "red haired green-eyed" colleen is a very hot image for this sissy. Very early in his life sissy discovered that redheads are usually feistier than most other Women and was naturally attracted to them. This was way, way before he ever identified as TV or submissive. sissy's Interests in life tend to be very eclectic and he just put his attraction to redheads down to his own avant garde tastes. So how do we save the recessive gened redheaded Woman from extinction ? sissy Is not so worried about redheaded males ... if Carrot Top turned out to be the last of his line that would be a good thing, right ? IsHO, once you start to look like Ronald McDonald you've eaten far too many Big Macs! [:D] But the Irish colleen is hot, hot, hot ... please don't tell sissy that the only way to save Her is for all the colleens in the world to hook up and marry all the male carrot tops in the world ?! [:(] What a dreadful thought ... and where does that leave sissy ? Curtsies, sissy maid lola [image]local://upfiles/21203/7550AAD373274EA8911F0BC3852D002C.jpg[/image]

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