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SweetDommes -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 3:40:07 PM)
Yeah, Children of the Corn does come to mind when all the fields around us are corn ... And Mia - Holly doesn't come on here very often, this is Karen LOL

Squeakers -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 4:33:18 PM)
quote: Meet in a VERY public place, have a soda or lunch; get to know one another! It seems too sad to waste three months (!!!) in the ethers before you go real time. What happens if there is no chemistry whatsoever? Who has time for THAT? I waited years to have a face to face with my partner. No it wasn't planned it just happened that way. It was completely worth it even if there had been no chemistry, it still would have been worth it. I like taking things slower mainly because I used to jump right into things and that never worked for me. In response to the Who has time for THAT? Me. I have the rest of my life. [:D]

DocTSH -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 9:13:10 PM)
Brilliantly written, MadRabbit! I agree with much of what you have to say as most of it is just simple common sense. How many times in our lives do we meet strangers in our professional lives and share information such as cell phone numbers, myspace, address, etc ? Hell, we even talk about our children...how old they are, what school they go to, their issues and a million other things that people online would consider taboo to share. The bottom line is that if it feels right, then most likely it is. There is also the flip side of being buried under houses as others have put so eloquently (or under the seven yard line Giant Stadium). Hmmm Jimmy Hoffa, anyone? Bet he had some references...wonder if he had a safe call? I suppose the common theme in all of these replies is to use common sense and intuition. Personally, I spent a great deal of time getting to know someone that I hadn't sought out. I took my time, made a bet, won, and took a hell of a lot more time to get to know her a whole lot more...and she's the love of my life. Too bad she's psycho.[8D] PS. Anyone reading this, please send a file in a cake!!!!

Slavetrainer2007 -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 9:28:09 PM)
meeting online is alot different than meeting back in the ol days at church the bar or anywhere else. in facts its different than meeting someone local that wasnt met online. What people fail to understand when comparing Inet to your newspaper, your bar, your hairdressers is different areas have different degrees of criminal activity and the Inet tends to be a congratation of criminals. your chances of meeting a sex offender on here or some other criminal is 10 time higher than the highest crime area within 50 miles of you. Crinimals love the inet, predators love the inet .you know why? because i can look at anyones profile here( assuming i dont have one or i lied on mine) and i instantly know more about you than you know about me. in fact its even easier on sites such as this because i can refine a search for my target, lets say i want to look for college age girls that are newish , in a few seconds i have a list. I might decide to pick college age women because they are the ones most likely to be living on their own. they are also the most gullible. I find a target that i can get to talk to me and even several targets. I play along with her interest or desires and get them to trust me. its not hard to manipulate people. Meeting: lets say she lives 2 hours away and is driving to meet. we meet at hardees i make sure im their first. we meet chat etc everything goes well. now its time to leave. she is going back home this time. i let her leave first i dont let her see me leave but i make sure to keep her in my sight i pace her at a casual distance . I follow her home and hence i now know where my victim lives and can go further. even easier than that i can get her plate number and more than likely look up the registered owner or for a small fee i can pay someone to look it up for me. I can also get your address by using a reverse phone book. and other online methods. In fact you would be surprised how easy it is to get info on someone. One time a girl didnt believe it was possible and all i had was her local number( no area code and i didnt know what state she lived in) i gave her directions to her house in 10 minutes from mine. people are oblivious to the power of the net. i could use a program to record the IP addresses of posters or persons in chat and then use those IP addresses to find their house. I know all this cause i use to play around with hacking back when it use to be done for fun ( the challange) and not to harm people as it is used to do now. i have slightly above average pc skills but any intelligent person can teach themselves C++ and BASIC which are program writing programs basically. and make a program to record IP addresses of everyone who visits this site or any other. almost all email records the IP address of the orig sender. an ip address can be traced by pinging it . it will then give you the location of that pc. With broadband connections come ip addresses assigned to a certain account ( called static addresses)and since they are assigned to a certain account it makes it alot easier because that address never changes much like a house address. A dynamic address changes everytime you log on and is significantly safer. Back to topic: with this knowledge i have of how easy it is to take advantage of people on here , seeing people ready to meet someone from here after a short amount of time is just damn scary. This is not local, this isnt the starbucks down the street in downtown NYC this is a cesspool of criminals waiting to prey on those that no no better. the inet opens the door to people you never would meet. but it also opens the door to crinimals who would never meet you. and you need to remember that before you decide to meet someone after two weeks. unfortnately, criminals are alot more educated in the use of the net than the average user. why? because it gives them an advantage. and while you dont make yourself anoynomous they do know how to "ghost" themselves. Think of it this way: we are like a bunch of sheep and the inet is our pen and crinimals are the wolves outside the pen just waiting for that one sheep to screw up and come to near the fence and then... well ill leave the rest to your imagination. One reason, i said 3 months is because most predators arent going carry on a relationship for 3 months, they want the fast easy prey not the ones that wait it out.. so the longer you wait the more likely that person will be trustworthy.

MzMia -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 9:32:15 PM)
Thank you again slavetrainer, I feel exactly as you do. Let the others eat cake! p.s.- you can't help some people.

Slavetrainer2007 -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 9:37:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia Thank you again slavetrainer, I feel exactly as you do. Let the others eat cake! p.s.- you can't help some people. well i often say "i told you so". IF i was a female sub or slave on here i would wait probably 6 months at least and probably 3 months before even a phone number. cause personally i wouldnt want to be in the local newspaper under the headline "Body of Unidentified Woman Found in Cow Pasture"

spanklette -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 9:39:45 PM)
You live in a much scarier world than mine, I think. I was born and raised in New Orleans...my neighborhood was always referred to as "the crime ridden Shrewsbury area". I've seen bad things happen, I've seen predators. One guy right down the block from us was arrested for raping someone...I'm still not sure of the whole story. At any rate, I'm still not going to stick my head in the sand. Being naive is not one of my problems. I just refuse to let the world change me.

Slavetrainer2007 -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 9:48:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: spanklette You live in a much scarier world than mine, I think. I was born and raised in New Orleans...my neighborhood was always referred to as "the crime ridden Shrewsbury area". I've seen bad things happen, I've seen predators. One guy right down the block from us was arrested for raping someone...I'm still not sure of the whole story. At any rate, I'm still not going to stick my head in the sand. Being naive is not one of my problems. I just refuse to let the world change me. Lol, its your life your risk. They say the greater the risk the greater the reward. Just remember what i said about the inet being a cesspool of criminals. Its not the "bad" area of new orleans. its much worse. thats why they are called predators, because like any predator they select that sheep to close to the fence. that one fawn that wanders from the protection of the herd. the over curious rabbit wondering out of its hole and then they strike like a rattlesnake and then its to late to say "OPPS i made mistake, REDO REDO!" it only takes one of those fast meets to be with the wrong person before you change your address to the dumspter behind motomart on 8th st in new orleans.

MzMia -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 9:51:26 PM)
LOL you are funny and have more patience than I do. At some point, let people eat their cake. No one is telling anyone what to do here, they are offering advice. If you do not want to use it---> don't. I appreciate all that slavetrainer has said, and in fact I am saving most of it for future reference.[;)] Especially the information he gave us about IP addresses. I can't help laughing-the motomart behind 8th street? Thanks again slavetrader, I for one appreciate it. Let those that want to ridicule and scoff, scoff on. dumpster behind the motomart?

spanklette -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 10:09:29 PM)
I think somewhere along the line there is a miscommunication here...I appreciate what you've said, all I'm saying is that I trust myself. Maybe I'm not easy pickings. I'm sure there are those that will march right into a dangerous situation without the slightest regard for their own safety...that's not me. I'm just not as stringent as some of you seem to require. In all that I've said...I've never once said that I trusted anyone. In fact, I trust very few people. Just because I'm willing to meet someone in a public place or sign on to the internet with the rest of the world doesn't mean that I trust people. I don't take anything for granted, least of all my personal safety. I have instincts and judgement and I use them. And, I generally, stay as far from the "herd" as possible. There are predators in there too. The internet is a tool just like any other. It's a double edged sword that should be used with caution. I just don't take caution and morph it into paranoia.

Slavetrainer2007 -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 10:11:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia LOL you are funny and have more patience than I do. At some point, let people eat their cake. No one is telling anyone what to do here, they are offering advice. If you do not want to use it---> don't. I appreciate all that slavetrainer has said, and in fact I am saving most of it for future reference.[;)] Especially the information he gave us about IP addresses. I can't help laughing-the motomart behind 8th street? Thanks again slavetrader, I for one appreciate it. Let those that want to ridicule and scoff, scoff on. dumpster behind the motomart? yep the dumpster and with the new style of trash trucks.. the guys dont even get out most of the time. they just stick the forks in it and pick it up ( thats the dumpster i would dump a person in if i wanted to get rid of a body in a city or actually i would throw them in a manure spreader or grain auger. have you ever seen what a auger will do to someone?i know someone that got caught in one that chews grain up for cow feed, the only parts of him they found was 1 shoe and a few inches of his intestines, sadly his dad told him over and over to not wrap the bailing twine around his hand cause if the other end gets caught in the auger it will suck him. he didnt listen to the "i told you so" and he ended up feeding the cows literally.<true story) and off to the landfill with 10 tons of trash you go then your dumped in a big pile and a very large dozer with big steel spiked tires runs over again again( been to a landfill a few times... watch the dozers they run over you and you could fit in a sandwich bag!)

MzMia -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 10:16:44 PM)
LOL, I am sitting here laughing slavetrainer. All I can do is laugh, I had a few close calls when I was much younger. Everyone is not so lucky. I am sorry about the guy in the auger...how horrible. It is nice to be alive, I have this habit I enjoy, its called---breathing. As a woman, I err on the side of caution, I have too much to lose-->me. Those that don't want to be careful and cautious? Let them eat cake and steer clear of the motomart and the dumpsters.

Slavetrainer2007 -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 10:17:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: spanklette I think somewhere along the line there is a miscommunication here...I appreciate what you've said, all I'm saying is that I trust myself. Maybe I'm not easy pickings. I'm sure there are those that will march right into a dangerous situation without the slightest regard for their own safety...that's not me. I'm just not as stringent as some of you seem to require. In all that I've said...I've never once said that I trusted anyone. In fact, I trust very few people. Just because I'm willing to meet someone in a public place or sign on to the internet with the rest of the world doesn't mean that I trust people. I don't take anything for granted, least of all my personal safety. I have instincts and judgement and I use them. And, I generally, stay as far from the "herd" as possible. There are predators in there too. The internet is a tool just like any other. It's a double edged sword that should be used with caution. I just don't take caution and morph it into paranoia. if you only knew what i knew or even yet what i myself am capable of with my knowledge of the net. in terms of predators "you dont have to be the fastest runner just faster than the slowest one running" or you dont have to be the hardest prey to catch just harder than the easiest prey. Edit: 3 months is faster than the slowest runner in most cases.

marieToo -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 10:19:34 PM)
Some excellent points there, MadRabbit. I've been wondering when you were going to cut loose around here. :) Nice job. I agree about the whole "Internet Paranoia" thing. It almost sounds like a syndrome that needs to be named. I dont worry too much myself, but I do make sure I feel comfortable enough before I share a phone number or meet in person. I listen to my gut instincts and use common sense. Beyond that, when I feel ready to meet someone in person, or even share my number for the first time, I don't think like a victim, I dont live in fear (not that kind of fear anyway). I am in the mindset that the other person would be treading on dangerous ground should they be foolish enough to attempt some kind of foul play towards me. If I were someone else, I would not want me for an enemy. This is the mind frame that I believe people should get their heads in, instead of that "oh my god, what if he's an ax murderer" thing; that type of attitude leads to a belief that one is helpless against intrusion, which I think is a dangerous mindset to adopt.

Slavetrainer2007 -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 10:44:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo Some excellent points there, MadRabbit. I've been wondering when you were going to cut loose around here. :) Nice job. I agree about the whole "Internet Paranoia" thing. It almost sounds like a syndrome that needs to be named. I dont worry too much myself, but I do make sure I feel comfortable enough before I share a phone number or meet in person. I listen to my gut instincts and use common sense. Beyond that, when I feel ready to meet someone in person, or even share my number for the first time, I don't think like a victim, I dont live in fear (not that kind of fear anyway). I am in the mindset that the other person would be treading on dangerous ground should they be foolish enough to attempt some kind of foul play towards me. If I were someone else, I would not want me for an enemy. This is the mind frame that I believe people should get their heads in, instead of that "oh my god, what if he's an ax murderer" thing; that type of attitude leads to a belief that one is helpless against intrusion, which I think is a dangerous mindset to adopt. their is a difference between living in fear and living in ignorance(of what can be done with very little info in this case) living in ignorance because its easier to say " well i cant live in fear of meeting people from here" is just dangerous. People should be aware of how easy of prey you are online. furthermore your in a lifestyle that makes you even easier prey to sexual predators. Their are reasons i am an advocate on this: 1) ive hacked, ive obtained info about people just from an email a messanger or a website( cookies anyone?) 2)i learned to hack in less than 6 months in my spare time. i also learned it dont matter how many firewalls you have that is just a speed bump, i can circumvent and disable all of them, it just takes a little more time. 3) im male, i know how males think and i know that most women have the mindset of "it wont happen to me" 4)you ever watch to catch a predator? not just the child predators the other ones? 5) the inet has the " anonymous" false sense of security. mainly because people dont know better. its 10 times easier for me to find your house sitting here talking to you than if i meet you at a club for the first time. and i dont have to leave my house. i can even get a picture of your house in some cases so i dont even have to scope it out in person i can do all that from my pc. In not trying to scare people im trying to educate them. Ive been on the other side. ive been the predator( hacker not sexual) . i think like a predator because ive hacked with the sole intention of not getting caught. And spanklette ( not picking on you by the way just your one in the discussion on the other side of the coin)i would have to say you would be a target for me if i was sexual predator. your an easy mark, no offense. and im very very good at manipulation. your willingness to meet quickly would draw me to you like bees to spilled soda.

MzMia -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 10:47:40 PM)
:::munching popcorn, sipping wine:::: and LMAO[sm=mrpuffy.gif]

DocTSH -> RE: Timeline (3/31/2007 11:04:04 PM)
I think you make a mistake and a generalization by considering my litte girl, spanklette, an easy mark. She's certainly weeded through a fair share of online crap. While I appreciate your computer skills, have you considered that she has skills of her own? Manipulation? Hmm, that's a tougher one, but I can't imagine her being taken in. She's a professional and works in a world full of people trying to manipulate and pull her in different directions. I can tell you from personal experience with this "easy mark" that she's adept at reading people. It's almost scary. You may be a good manipulator, but I don't think you'd make it past her. That's just Me and my personal opinion of someone that I know inside and out. I would never allow her to take undue risks, however, life is full of risks that we ignore everyday. I take nothing for granted when her safety is involved.

marieToo -> RE: Timeline (4/1/2007 7:30:50 AM)
Your line of thinking just doesn't work in real life. There are hackers out there, therefore, I better not talk to someone online. <Please>. There might be a rapist in the grocery store, therefore I better not go there. Bad things happen all the time. No one here is advocating meeting someone without using common sense and listening to your inner voice. But thats all that anyone can do in any given situation, whether it be at a real time meeting, the internet, or the grocery store. Granted, if one was a dangerous sort, what better way for them to perpetrate their scam on an unwitting soul, but on the internet. But you can't stop living or trusting because there are some unscrupulous people out there. There are unscrupulous people everywhere, there always have been. And there are always signs of it, even over the internet given enough time. Again, its about using common sense and heeding to your inner voice if you see/hear warning signs. You can't stop living.

spanklette -> RE: Timeline (4/1/2007 8:43:43 AM)
Thank you marie...I was starting to get the feeling I had drifted off into paranoia land.[:D]

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