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SirDiscipliner69 -> Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 2:11:41 AM)

Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offenses be and who would you nominate and for what offense?

Nomination of the faceless:
  1. I feel that aggressive drivers that show no concern for the value of life as they weave in and out of traffic playing real time version of video games with their vehicles
  2. Cell phone users that are driving without any concern for those around them and how disruptive and dangerous they are
  3. People that have no power in their lives that come into a retail store and debase and take out their frustrations on employees that try to help them
  4. Politicians and lawyers  and big business that rape the earth and generations to come because of their greed to line their pockets with blood money
  5. People that refuse to see the genocide and attrocities that are going on right now in the world simply because it does not immediately impact their little portion of the universe
  6. People that feel the need to belittle and ridicule others that wish to partake in free speach by means of intimidation and retaliation
  7. Oppressors in every form
  8. Managers that use funds not belonging to them for personal gain

Some food for thought...feel free to add your own...

Ross
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Passion357 -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 2:28:48 AM)

Good topic!

People, who have not been involved in an accident because of, caught on their 3rd offense of drunk driving.
It should be mandatory that they be held for a full week in jail, while the local news and/or newspaper(s) advertise the name of the individual, offense, and date of scheduled punishment, so that all may come and witness.
They should be tied to the whipping post at 12:00 noon on such n such date...given a previously (voted on by the community) decided number of lashes, and after about 15 minutes untied and allowed to let their (previously decided) "caregiver" administer aftercare.

Persons convicted of vehicular homicide: same as above and *then* they should be allowed to serve their previously determined sentence in jail/prison.

Sexual offenders of children under the age of mature consent. (This age happens to vary in many people's eyes) Should be same as above only there should be a private whipping for the family of the child AFTER the first whipping, then they should be allowed their previously determined sentence.

Any member of congress caught accepting bribes and/or laundering, in any way, money belonging to the public. Exactly same as above.

Persons convicted of welfare fraud. Exaclty the same as above.




Rafters -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 3:16:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69
Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses..
(snippage)
..
  • Oppressors in every form


  • No one else seeems to have pointed out the minor flaw here [sm=ofcourse.gif]

    Isn't Flogging people against their will, a form of oppression? [sm=crop.gif]

    [:D]




    Rumtiger -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 3:22:04 AM)

    For the love of the God who I dont believe in, can you please make a subject line that actually fits within the damn word limit of said subject space. The body of the post goes in the big ass portion, not the tiny little space up top.




    rskenderian -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 4:41:18 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

    .... playing real time version of video games with their vehicles.

    Funny .. almost. Coincidental; yes.

    i was driving with a friend of mine in my 20's like a manic, going 50 or 60, weaving in and out - like i always did - in a busy and complicated 'strip', and i turned to him and smiled and said "Y'know, driving is like one big video game." Upon which i immediately smashed into a truck that had stopped to take a left-hand turn and totaled my car.

    My friend was carried away by ambulance in a neck brace.

    A girl walking by stopped, asked what happened and chatted a few minutes ... and she ended up leaving her phone number on my car. My friend was doubly pissed.

    The hobby of jogging was pretty much killed when the media got ahold of some psychological analysis stating (correctly, i do believe, though not for everyone) that people who jogged or ran, were, in fact, subconsciously really running away from their problems. This analysis was ALL OVER the news and various shows and newsprint. The jogging craze ended there-upon, and nobody even ever jogged, since nobody wanted to be seen as running away from their problems.

    Now, if you have a lot of problems, and you just need to HAVE to subconsciously run away from them ... there's nothing like a sports car. No, you cannot drive too fast nor too far to fast. It is unbearable when someone is in front of you only doing 45 on the twisting country road. The ultimate horror is getting 'trapped' between cars ahead and cars behind. Time to freak out, and go for the pass, even if it means people in the other lane have to drive off the road - cause i'm not going to ... i'm just outta here, end-of-story.

    Now, when i got a motorcycle - wow - i swear i could lose my problems behind me and they could not catch up. My problems were simply too afraid to keep up with my dare-devil stunts, like screaming up a bumper-to-bumper morning rush hour two-lane highway  ... in between the two lanes of cars at 80mph.

    or hoping those concrete blockades up ahead were *just* wide enough for me to get through at 90mph while being chased by the police.

    But, that was in my 20's

    i don't have the tolerance for such things anymore, but i understand them very well. There's always more than meets the eye - but, regardless, i should NEVER have been allowed to drive. Period.

    There's always a reason people do the stupid things they do. It doesn't mean they should be allowed to continue, though.

    But i can say that i grew up entirely alone, and there was no-one in my life that had a clue. i had to figure out everything myself - the hard way - by making all the mistakes. i didn't have a "family". No respectable male figures. No role models. Nothing.

    Ultimately, i would say that my - and so many other young people's - inability to 'behave' properly or meld with Society is Society's flaw and fault. i can say that i learned nothing of any Human value what-so-ever throughout school. i learned absolutely nothing about what it is to be a Human Being. i learned nothing about myself. i learned nothing about the Society i lived in.
    i learned nothing of any importance what-so-ever.
    Such things were not even attempted to be taught to a new citizen in this Society.

    i didn't even go to school after a while; i went to the library, took out ten heavy books a week and read prolifically - looking for the answers that nobody was teaching me. on my own. alone. While being criticized and punished for it.

    The very people who suffered at the hands of my driving deserved it. They deserve everything they get.

    You take some like myself and place them in this complete madness called "Society" and You don't teach them anything except how to add fractions, You beat on them for being 'different', they grow up completely alone, are neglected and pawned off everywhere, send them to inhumanely-built buildings called schools where every teacher ("Hey, teacher!) has a vendetta ("You're just") or is simply clueless and can only succeed in being ("another brick in the wall") Thick as a Brick.

    ...and You're expecting ....?

    In Hartford, Connecticut, the city i lived in for about 10 years, if You are anywhere in that city, and they know You have $1,000 cash on You, they will kill You for it. They will jump You from behind, smashing Your head with a hammer, and ten of them will pile You onto the ground and beat and kick You to death and take that $1,000 and then fight amongst themselves for it, probably meaning another 3 deaths.
    The price of a Human life? About $250, in Hartford, Connecticut - as it ends up.

    We have to do SOOOOO much better than institute public flogging or being angry or being hateful. This planet will not survive that; there's no room, no time for it. i think it is pretty obvious that this is the beginning of the end. If those who can, don't rise to being full Human, then we are not going to make it.

    Anger and hatred will not solve anything, but will perpetuate and accelerate our own decline. i have been angry enough in my life, and i have learned to hate enough, that i know full well just how useless it is, that it does not solve any problems, and that it does ALWAYS create more problems.

    i understand that Your post was intended with humor; but even THAT can't be afforded anymore. The last thing we need is more fuel for anger or hatred - even if it comes in the form of a bit of dry humor. Because it DOES fuel more anger and hatred, and is the real reason why You posted it - You're pissed off.

    i really know a lot about being pissed off. i understand.

    But there is no time left for it.

    "People that refuse to see the genocide and attrocities that are going on right now in the world simply because it does not immediately impact their little portion of the universe"

    Everything begins at home. Everything beings with the individual. Stopping genocides and atrocities is impossible, and people everywhere are terrified, trying to keep from drowning. The guy down the road with the half-million dollar home is terrified and is trying to hang onto everything he has. Everyone is doing that.

    We have the ability to elevate ourselves as real and actualized Human Beings, and to create a true and real Human Civilization for the first time in the history of this world.

    But when a child with an IQ of 190+, immeasurable by any standardized or unstandardized testing, who can and will do everything and give everything he has to solve these problems, who would devote 100% of himself to that, given the chance, is suffering right next door to you and cannot function, who's fault is that, and how much does this world lose out.
    Never mind what's happening on the other side of the planet.
    It's really, really bad enough here, and until we can rise to our fullest Humanity, it makes zero difference to be concerned with anything else. That destiny is already done. That fate is already true.
    It can be stopped by one thing; each person willing to rise to their fullest Humanity and the formation or a true Human Civilization, based on Human, not based on some Darwinism's survival of the fittest - called "capitalism" or "survival of the speci[fic individual person]" of "Competition".
    As long as we operate under animal law, and as long as our 'Society' is based on animal law, we will produce animals trying to survive, competing against one another, hating, fighting, dividing themselves apart and set upon each other.

    i can't see anything changing under this contextual premise. Actually, it won't and can't.

    This universe doesn't not want our consciousness and sentience any longer; we will destroy ourselves; that is already written in stone - and to think otherwise, well, look around. Look at Your post.

    i'm not criticizing, because there's no room for it here. There's nothing to get angry about. The opposite. There is every reason to actualize and Love; and Love begins with forgiveness - for Us at this time. If we cannot rise, become Human and forgive, well, that future is already obvious.

    i don't watch the news; i don't need to. i think i already know exactly what is happening.

    Thanks for reading,

    - richard "puppy"
    P.S. my vanilla ice cream cone is gone, and now i have symbologies. i can write more conceptually now [8D]
    <editted fro spelign>




    rskenderian -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 4:57:36 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Rafters

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69
    Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses..
    (snippage)
    ..
  • Oppressors in every form

  • No one else seeems to have pointed out the minor flaw here [sm=ofcourse.gif]
    Isn't Flogging people against their will, a form of oppression? [sm=crop.gif]

    [:D]


    Society has to oppress, otherwise anybody can do whatever they want with impunity.
    Arresting someone, placing handcuffs on them, and then putting them in a cage, against their will, is a form of oppression.
    But if You can find a way around it, Yu B Da Man!

    - yeah, i've worked on that one. and it doesn't work. Especially now. Given my last post RE: world status, we have to allow unlimited freedoms to be limited - and very much so. In fact, we don't even have to allow it, it just has to happen.

    Nice twist, though :)

    - richard "puppy"




    KaineD -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 4:58:24 AM)

    No, I would not favour public flogging for any reason whatsoever.  The human race is past that kind barbaric "justice".

    I don't agree with the death penalty either.  The death penalty isn't about justice, it's about revenge.  And it should never be about revenge.




    ELUSIVE1 -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back certain offenses and what would those offens (3/31/2007 6:58:50 AM)

    [:o]Flogging is a punishment??AAhhh, who knew??




    velvetears -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back certain offenses and what would those offens (3/31/2007 7:19:44 AM)

    If flogging became the punishment i would finally be free to break the law [;)]

    And rskenderian i think i understand where you are coming from, but life without humor would be very joyless.  It doesn't mean you are oblivious to the problems it just means you can keep it in persepctive. Life like water will find it's own balance, in the meantime do the good you can do, learn all you can, take what you earn, and enjoy what comes your way to enjoy.




    CreativeDominant -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 7:27:01 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: rskenderian

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Rafters

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69
    Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses..
    (snippage)
    ..
  • Oppressors in every form

  • No one else seeems to have pointed out the minor flaw here [sm=ofcourse.gif]
    Isn't Flogging people against their will, a form of oppression? [sm=crop.gif]

    [:D]


    Society has to oppress, otherwise anybody can do whatever they want with impunity.
    Arresting someone, placing handcuffs on them, and then putting them in a cage, against their will, is a form of oppression.
    But if You can find a way around it, Yu B Da Man!

    - yeah, i've worked on that one. and it doesn't work. Especially now. Given my last post RE: world status, we have to allow unlimited freedoms to be limited - and very much so. In fact, we don't even have to allow it, it just has to happen.

    Nice twist, though :)

    - richard "puppy"

    Agreed.  Part of the reason we set up laws and people to enforce those laws is so that we can remain a society where we can pretty much expect...though not completely...that our neighbor can't just grab his gun and shoot us with impunity because we asked him to move his trash can away from the edge of our driveway.

    Those completely free spirits who are so naive as to believe that society would be better off without laws refuse to see that the law and the consequences for breaking the law...and those who enforce it...is the only thing restraining the destructive behavior of many.




    CreativeDominant -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 7:30:04 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: KaineD

    No, I would not favour public flogging for any reason whatsoever.  The human race is past that kind barbaric "justice".

    I don't agree with the death penalty either.  The death penalty isn't about justice, it's about revenge.  And it should never be about revenge.


    Really?  Someone should tell that to some Far Eastern and other cultures...might want to talk to them about stoning and certain other punishments also.

    As for the death penalty...not sure how that got brought in but to some, it is about justice.  This is one of those extremely divisive issues with no clear right answer.




    BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 7:30:50 AM)

    Hell yes flog the hell out of them, and while we are at it why not brand a big M on the forehead of rapists and child molesters...bounty




    SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 8:51:40 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Rumtiger

    For the love of the God who I dont believe in, can you please make a subject line that actually fits within the damn word limit of said subject space. The body of the post goes in the big ass portion, not the tiny little space up top.

    And  I am still not interested as I told you before thank you.

    So what of your answer to the subject at hand?

    Ross
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    SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 8:53:14 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Rafters

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69
    Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses..
    (snippage)
    ..
  • Oppressors in every form


  • No one else seeems to have pointed out the minor flaw here [sm=ofcourse.gif]

    Isn't Flogging people against their will, a form of oppression? [sm=crop.gif]

    [:D]

    So you are saying that the current criminal code enforcement by goverments local and national and political is a form of oppression?

    Ross
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    SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 8:55:40 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: KaineD

    No, I would not favour public flogging for any reason whatsoever.  The human race is past that kind barbaric "justice".

    I don't agree with the death penalty either.  The death penalty isn't about justice, it's about revenge.  And it should never be about revenge.


    Agreed it SHOULD BE beyond the implementation of such but it has hardly moved forward towards utopic rendering wouldn't you agree?

    So if you get a ticket for speeding you are saying that is the enforcement of revenge by a goverment body elected by the people?

    Ross
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    SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back certain offenses and what would those offens (3/31/2007 8:56:59 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1

    [:o]Flogging is a punishment??AAhhh, who knew??



    ..see Me after class about this....[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image]

    Ross
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    SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 8:59:11 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

    Hell yes flog the hell out of them, and while we are at it why not brand a big M on the forehead of rapists and child molesters...bounty

    What if that could be done with a laser that only shows under certain light?

    Or an implant that tracks them?

    Or an implant that monitors their secretion of hormonal balance and feeds the body an ammount to give the chemical imbalance neutrality?

    Ross
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    FullCircle -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 11:34:45 AM)

    No.




    LadyEllen -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 12:01:02 PM)

    For those in whom society places trust, when that trust is then broken, a flogging seems ideal; politicians spring to mind first for some reason, which is why it would never happen, but still.......

    The problem with public floggings though, is that done in the time honoured way, few would get to see it. So I suggest a televised event, with a split screen; one half with a view of the miscreant's face and the other from the back. To make it more interesting for the watching public, a sweepstake could be organised whereby prizes would be awarded for guessing how many seconds or possibly strokes, it takes for the offender to lose conciousness, as verified by a doctor.

    And to add to the fun, we could use a random generator to select the instrument to be used, and the person to administer the flogging - which will add the crucial variance to the equation of when conciousness will be lost and so who would win the sweepstake. Great fun for all the family.

    E




    RobertCloud -> RE: Would you favor public flogging to be brought back ofr certain offenses and what would those offense (3/31/2007 12:42:37 PM)

    The problem with our society is we were guaranteed a right against cruel and unusual punishment.
    Personally I do not feel that the cruel and unusual punishment should apply to the form of crime that was committed.
    A person guilty of rape should have to experience what it is like to be raped. They have machines that can do the job.
    A person guilty of murder should be killed in the exact method in which their victims died.
    Now do I feel it should be public.... HELL YES!!!
    How many potential criminals that saw a man who had chainsawed someone to death be publically chainsawed would have second thoughts about committing a crime?
    How many potential criminals that saw a man who had mutilated a woman while raping her be mutilated and then raped by a machine would have second thoughts?
    There are other crimes that public flogging should apply to... embezzlement... theft... those crimes where a life or person was not injured and yet a crime was committed. Even some traffic violations, and yes I think if it was televised the number of crimes would diminish.
    Those of the Christian persuasion, the bible teaches us to follow the laws of the land, that includes the laws of capital punishment, and as a good Christian you either MUST support the country you live in in their decision to have forms of capital punishment or you must move to a country that does not have capital punishment.

    But the BIGGEST injustice in our criminal system of all.. is the right to appeal.. not once.. but repeatedly.
    We were guaranteed a right to a SWIFT and SPEEDY trial, and yet trials can drag out for years. Okay, on a first conviction for a crime, be lenient, and allow up to two appeals. On a second conviction, allow up to one appeal. A third conviction there is no appeal period... and sentence should be carried out within thirty days of the end of the trial. If not sooner, personally I feel the sentence should be carried out immediately upon sentencing, straight from the court to the gallows so to speak.




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