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RE: Tribute - 4/4/2007 4:23:27 PM   
Aneirin


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ORIGINAL: VeryMercurial

I agree, if you don't want to give gifts or tributes move on.


Do not get me wrong,I give gifts,I have gifted others from this site who identify as 'sub',but those gifts were because I wanted to,it was never asked for or expected.As an artist,photographer and metal smith,I create gifts,individual and unique gifts,sometimes with precious metals and semi precious stones.A gift to a special friend took me over 40 hours to make,that is forty hours of my life,but I do not begrudge that,it was a pleasure giving that gift and seeing my friend happy.The point of this is that I decide to gift someone,I do not expect a demand for a gift.


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This seems to be a topic that really bothers many men on here.



Perhaps it does bother men,but if the situation was reversed and it was male Doms that demanded payment in some form for their services perhaps more females here would be asking the same questions.



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RE: Tribute - 4/4/2007 6:05:27 PM   
Wickad


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Perhaps it does bother men,but if the situation was reversed and it was male Doms that demanded payment in some form for their services perhaps more females here would be asking the same questions.




I think this very thing does happen.  The difference is in the tender being discussed.  It has been my experience that women Dominants are more likely to demand $$$ and male Dominants are more likely to demand sex.  Either way there is the idea of paying for what you get.

Wickad


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RE: Tribute - 4/4/2007 6:18:32 PM   
Aneirin


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ORIGINAL: Wickad

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Perhaps it does bother men,but if the situation was reversed and it was male Doms that demanded payment in some form for their services perhaps more females here would be asking the same questions.




I think this very thing does happen.  The difference is in the tender being discussed.  It has been my experience that women Dominants are more likely to demand $$$ and male Dominants are more likely to demand sex.  Either way there is the idea of paying for what you get.

Wickad





I suppose it is,but I can only draw from my own ideas,I would not demand sex if it was not wanted,a submissive has that right to refuse,I would not disregard someone because they refused to pay for services with sex,but that is me,I cannot speak for others.

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RE: Tribute - 4/5/2007 6:19:34 PM   
SlaveBlutarsky


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So I had been writing this woman for a week or so. We had exchanged 5 or 6 emails and most of her responses seemed canned, but I played along. I checked my email this morning and got what I expected, the tribute request. Here's the meat:
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We now have to move to something more tangible. All you have done so far is do some writing on a keyboard and carry out some basic training, not in My presence. Not very much and many can make promises when they don’t have to deliver. you will follow my instructions precisely without deviation. This is important and will show that you are genuine and ready to move forward to make this lifestyle a reality and not just something to masturbate to. you will send me a tribute. For now I do not want new shoes or clothes as you might choose the wrong things and I wont be happy. you will send a cash tribute. Reasons for you to send it are obvious. It shows you are genuine and not a small minded masturbator on the intenet, which most are. If you dont wish to send then all you have said is meaningless, you are just playing and not actually serious or worse still just plain selfish. If you can obey this most annoying of orders then you will have a passed an important test which I suppose this is as much as anything else. I expect you to be generous and not selfish or short sighted. Remember you are nearly selected to become not just My slave but My life partner so if you fail in this then unfortunately you will have lost the opportunity. This is not negotiable I am afraid, I have thought hard about this and realise that it could put you off but if it does then it would have done its job. Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words.
Report to Me when you have sent it. Remember it is in your interest that I receive it as there is no way I will meet you if it doesnt get here.
Do not let Me down slave and have a good day.


I knew it was coming, but still did some emailing just in case. It's not like I wasted a lot of time or whatever.

My response:

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Well, sadly, I knew this was coming.

I was assuming that you were going to hit me up for money to fly back to the states because you're wallet got stolen or something along those lines. But this is fine too.

If you are even interested in my opinion about the subject, I wrote this the other day:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=929061

From your first letter, I was 95% sure you were angling for something, but played along in case that 5% chance was legit. Alas, it's not, and you are obviously either full of shit or not the person for me.

Simple fact of the matter is that I would never be with someone who required some sort of tribute, let alone someone I never met and required it to continue on in a relationship.

You may see it as insincere, if you are in fact a woman and/or Domme, but sadly that's the way it is. You will simply never meet someone more sincere or who wants this more than I do.

It's too bad too though, I'm the only single guy I know who gets the Tiffany's catalog. I was picking something out in case you were real and I ever did meet you. I was thinking this: http://www.tiffany.com/shopping/item.aspx?sku=18411504&cid=96659&mcat=148204&menu=1&page=4

I love making a woman's face light up with a nice piece of jewelery or a nice Coach bag or something like that. I have no problem taking someone out for a $400 dinner or buying a piece of jewelry for someone, but wouldn't give you $5 for some supposed tribute.

Hopefully you will find what you're looking for, obviously it's not me.


I mean come on, put some work into it. If you're going to try and basically extort money out of someone, at least make it reasonable or something. Anyone can put together a form letter and send it out. Do something to earn the money,  make me fall in love with you and then take me for my 401k and baseball card collection or something. Whatever.


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RE: Tribute - 4/5/2007 6:38:18 PM   
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At least you had enough foresight to see it coming, and since you were ready for it you aren't really missing her now that the truth has come out. Now you are just sorry that you let her waste your time and string you along like that. But there is nothing else you can do. You handled it exactly like I would have.  Your gut told you from the word go that something was wrong, but since you had no hard evidence of it, you had to follow through in hopes that she fell into the 5% category.  Because Dommes are so hard to come by, subs have to see it through right to the end so they can be certain. You never know when you just might be wrong, but I'll gaurentee, the one time you jump the gun, and don't see it through to the end, and you call her bluff early on, will be the one time you had one who was genuine.  Back to the drawing board eh?

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RE: Tribute - 4/5/2007 6:42:12 PM   
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The world is full of all types.  And most are not compatable with me.  But I can't be bothered getting my panties in a bunch about them.  Reality is everyone here is an adult.  If some guy wants to pay tribute more power to him.   It's a decision he gets to make and I'll assume he's an adult and doing what he wants to be doing.  No it isn't my cup of tea.  But there are so many indications of how somsone is incompatiable.  If I were a guy I'd think god she was up front and just keep on moving.  I've got my own methods of weeding.

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RE: Tribute - 4/5/2007 7:57:23 PM   
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quote:




Perhaps it does bother men,but if the situation was reversed and it was male Doms that demanded payment in some form for their services perhaps more females here would be asking the same questions.




I hear this theme a lot in the "tribute" threads, about why men don't expect tribute. Then I try real hard to picture a man looking down at a women on her knees and saying "sorry hon, but you can't suck it unless you give me a little cash." Yea, right.....

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RE: Tribute - 4/5/2007 8:03:16 PM   
orfunboi


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Try to find a local munch and meet some people in the real world.

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RE: Tribute - 4/5/2007 10:28:07 PM   
arayofsunshine55


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Perhaps it does bother men,but if the situation was reversed and it was male Doms that demanded payment in some form for their services perhaps more females here would be asking the same questions.



Well I'd be ignoring them like I ignore all the "strict" "real" doms looking for "obedience" and all those who think I'm not sub enough.   Not my cup of tea so on I go.  C'est la vie.  Really it is.


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RE: Tribute - 4/5/2007 10:32:32 PM   
Wickad


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Well, ya know what they say "give'm enough rope, and they'll hang themselves' - lol.

Wickad

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RE: Tribute - 4/6/2007 6:14:25 AM   
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Tribute....I like the aspect of a tribute.   When you have so many willing to serve you, its a weeding out process to what level that sub will go.  A tribute to me can fulfill a need I have at the time.  I seek subs that have natural abilities (gardening, carpentry, domestic, cooking etc.) as well as skilled labor ( realtors, bankers, tax preparers etc) to serve me holistically.   My desire is to have a sub to serve me in any area of need.  Why have a sub that only takes care of bdsm needs?  And lastly a tribute can be money.  I don't feel it's exploiting someone that has it to share and willing to share.  I was offered things long before I decided it was foolish to turn them down.  

Most subs are married or attached and feel better in their own minds when a tribute is involved.  They feel I'm providing a service or need that they will never get at home. 

Bottom line for me....as stated before, its a weeding out process thats very effective.  I just feel a true submissive is open to WHATEVER his Mistress wants.  Thats my dream sub.


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RE: Tribute - 4/6/2007 8:14:58 AM   
MiladyAngelique


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ORIGINAL: MiladyAngelique

My profile is so long because I had to resort to spelling out what I want in a msg... How many do as I ask, very few, also a lot seem to think, because I put in there I want them employed (outside the home) that I will be expecting a tribute. I am not. I find unemployment a sign of laziness and I do not intend to support someone finacially who is capable of supporting themselves. But if you mention being employed subs seem to assume you mean that you will want them to pay tribute.


My apologies, on having just re-read what I posted my grammar was appalling. That is what I get for 4am posting.

Also what I should have added was I personally do not believe in asking a boy to give me cash, I do however expect a boy to contribute, for example if we are meeting at a hotel room he can pay half,
I like gifts, I do not deny this but I would rather something the boy chose himself as opposed to something I tell him to buy me, it shows more of his inner personality and also shows what he knows about me.

Angel




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RE: Tribute - 4/6/2007 10:33:57 AM   
Aneirin


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Also what I should have added was I personally do not believe in asking a boy to give me cash, I do however expect a boy to contribute, for example if we are meeting at a hotel room he can pay half,
I like gifts, I do not deny this but I would rather something the boy chose himself as opposed to something I tell him to buy me, it shows more of his inner personality and also shows what he knows about me.

Angel






Well said to you,this I have no problem with because of my thoughts about two people,a submissive and a Dominant serving each other's needs and that means meeting each other half way.I am not in this to leech of a Dominant's wealth,nor am I in it to to provide an income.True equiptment costs money,some of it very expensive,I understand but if there was a requirement for an item for my interest not already had,I would meet half way or obtain myself.That to me is fair and fair play goes a long way with me.

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RE: Tribute - 4/6/2007 4:10:30 PM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: SlaveBlutarsky


I mean come on, put some work into it. If you're going to try and basically extort money out of someone, at least make it reasonable or something. Anyone can put together a form letter and send it out. Do something to earn the money,  make me fall in love with you and then take me for my 401k and baseball card collection or something. Whatever.



Did she ask for $5? I didn't see it but maybe I didn't look close enough. I was wondering what the amount was. In cases like the one you listed, I tell subs to respond and offer to make a donation to the femdom's favorite charity in the amount they asked for and send proof of it as an alternative and see what the woman says.  If a woman REALLY wanted to "weed  out" the lazy ones, there's no difference between sending the money somewhere else (to a person/organization who really needs it) than to her own pocket.
Akasha


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RE: Tribute - 4/6/2007 4:17:52 PM   
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Wow, AAkasha, that's a brilliant way to handle it, IMO.

- Susan

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RE: Tribute - 4/6/2007 4:56:28 PM   
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AAkasha, i never thought i'd be saying this, but You just came up with a way i'd be happy to tribute a Domme with, freggin brilliant.

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RE: Tribute - 4/6/2007 6:04:53 PM   
SlaveBlutarsky


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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

quote:

ORIGINAL: SlaveBlutarsky


I mean come on, put some work into it. If you're going to try and basically extort money out of someone, at least make it reasonable or something. Anyone can put together a form letter and send it out. Do something to earn the money,  make me fall in love with you and then take me for my 401k and baseball card collection or something. Whatever.



Did she ask for $5? I didn't see it but maybe I didn't look close enough. I was wondering what the amount was. In cases like the one you listed, I tell subs to respond and offer to make a donation to the femdom's favorite charity in the amount they asked for and send proof of it as an alternative and see what the woman says.  If a woman REALLY wanted to "weed  out" the lazy ones, there's no difference between sending the money somewhere else (to a person/organization who really needs it) than to her own pocket.
Akasha

No, she did not ask for $5, that was my intimation.

And your  suggestion is brilliant.

A question for the male subs:

Have you ever actually had a successful relationship with someone who started the relationship out in this manner?

It just seems like such a foolish way to start a relationship to me. I'm old fashioned when I date and am wih a woman, I have no problem with paying for the dates and stuff ike that, but the idea of paying cash to 'prove' something to someone? That's laughable. It takes 30 seconds to mail something, what does that prove?

I guess I'm just a nimrod, I've always been of the mind that women appreciate thought and the fact that I'm interested in them. I guess instead of giving people gifts that involve thought, creativity and heart, I should be one of  the masses who's christmas shopping starts and  stops at the gift card kiosk.




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RE: Tribute - 4/6/2007 6:30:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

quote:

ORIGINAL: SlaveBlutarsky


I mean come on, put some work into it. If you're going to try and basically extort money out of someone, at least make it reasonable or something. Anyone can put together a form letter and send it out. Do something to earn the money,  make me fall in love with you and then take me for my 401k and baseball card collection or something. Whatever.



Did she ask for $5? I didn't see it but maybe I didn't look close enough. I was wondering what the amount was. In cases like the one you listed, I tell subs to respond and offer to make a donation to the femdom's favorite charity in the amount they asked for and send proof of it as an alternative and see what the woman says.  If a woman REALLY wanted to "weed  out" the lazy ones, there's no difference between sending the money somewhere else (to a person/organization who really needs it) than to her own pocket.
Akasha




So,if a demand for a tribute by a Domme is her way of weeding out the true from the dreamers and this contribution was made to a charitable cause,I can see no problem with that.A very good idea Akasha,well done for perhaps finding a solution to this,a sort of middle ground which should be acceptable for most if not all of the real submissives here,and the real Dommes.

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RE: Tribute - 4/7/2007 2:20:54 PM   
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tributes, are to me. just a legal form of prositution, the only diffrence between selling your body for sex and selling your body for sexual related favors is the fact one involved penatration. call it what you want, but those that demand tributes are a whore by any other name.

gifts are diffrent, but even though my mail is blocked ill still gladly tell the money grubbing so called "pro-doms" hookers, sorry but thats what they are.

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RE: Tribute - 4/7/2007 2:41:05 PM   
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Speaking to a girl I have known for a while recently.  I offered to help her with her coursework, not actually do it for her though of course just help her get A grades.  The reason I offered was because I would get satisfaction from doing that for someone I really like.  The entire foundation and basis that we originally know each other is because we know and like each other, the fact I wanted to help her is no foundation to our relationship as that came later.  Personally I believe that this is far more rewarding for her knowing that someone likes her enough to do that and her as a *person* evokes someone to want to. She was very flattered indeed!  I think that if I had made such an offer straight away before we really knew each other for a while she woud have been more likely to be suspicious and even think less of me.  I know that some Dommes may not like me saying this but real quality is for those who wait, its like anything in life.  You cant make a decent kit car in 2 days it takes time and if you make a "decent" kit car in only 2 days, well its pretty obvious it wont be that decent, trust is earnt etc, you know what I mean lol?!  I think the same applies to male submissives to be honest, one who is prepared to give you money so early on without really knowing the Domme aint gonna be as quality as someone who has more value hence doesnt give away so relatively rediculously easy and would be more likely to whinge about all the tribute crap when you really think about it.

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