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RE: Iran - 4/3/2007 5:38:13 PM   
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I was thinking in KY, covington, perhaps.

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KY?

Lube to use while masturbating?

What are you trying to say?

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RE: Iran - 4/4/2007 4:34:13 PM   
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My guess the is that the Iranians are wondering what to do with them now they've got them and are wondering how to hand them back without losing face. The important thing is not to exaggerate the situation. There are realists in the Iranian camp that can see what they did was stupid. This little farce just has to be played out.


You sound worried, like you're thinking that the Iranian Jihadists might look really bad right now. Like you're pulling for them. While there are undoubtedly realists in the "Iranian camp" as you put it, I don't think any of them are in power. I think that the only ones in power in Iran want to kill all the infidels, and they think that Allah is going to help them do it, and that if they die in the process that it's an eternal bonus for them.

Just like the Koran tells them.


As I pointed out, one shouldn't exaggerate the situation and the Iranians were probably wondering how to hand the soldiers back without losing face. I think I was pretty accurate about the hostages.

OK John Bolton thinks Iran has wona and made idiots of the west but then neocons always think the west has lost if we don't leave a tail of innocent dead.

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RE: Iran - 4/4/2007 9:49:11 PM   
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If you can stand asparagus, don't steam it or boil it, fry it in butter.

I live on meat, poultry, fish, fowl, spices and veggies. But what if these become unavailable.

Like it or not we are dependent upon society working to get what we need to survive, but when the shit hits the fan, well, let's toss that around.

In the beginning stages, perhap truck drivers paychecks will bounce, or the bottom line will get to the point where they will just park their rigs. Of course JB Hunt will still be around, the other big boys as well. Regulations, tolls, fuel, insurance, well pretty much puts the smaller companies out of the game. This is now OK that they have reinterpreted the Sherman Anit-trust Act.

With a smaller pool of possible common carriers to choose from, supply and demand kicks in. Now there are no indepenents anymore, all "company men". Notice that I did not capitalise that word in this instance. This has nothing to do with them personally. I am talking about their function in the economy.

Then they sell scrap steel from the US in alarming quantities to China and other countries. In turn, they ship back alot of plastic. I may have mentioned that petroleum is a very important component of most modern polymers. Polymers are plastic(s).

It is like they want to take the US public back to the time when everything we own is toys. That is well evidenced in our educational system. It is almost like they want us to have plastic knives and forks so we can't have any weapons whatsoever.

Yes, if you are under the age of 30, you might just see alot of history unfold. If you can manage to live 30 years, I think you will see some major strife. An almost total collapse of the economy, and I think this will spread to other countries as well. Like if China doesn't cash in those Tbills in time she is holding worthless paper.

What's nice is that the gravy train will be over for the evil assholes running things right now. The downside is it means alot of unwarranted strife for the common person.

When the shit hits the fan, we are going to have problems getting the basics to survive. If there are squirrels in your neighborhood, start feeding them NOW. If you have a farm, do not sell ANY land, put up a fence, get a generator and a bunch of whatever fuel it runs on.

It is not all that bleak, first of all there is time, a few years. But the thing is, if the same trend continues in the US government, it is not hard to figure out what is going to happen. You don't have to be psychic to know that eventually a line of credit will run out if abused, but the neocons do not know this. They think it is carte blanche, and you know why ? Because WE fucking pay it, not them !.

Lemme have one more paragraph here then I will stop. But I just need to say this.

Y'know they never offer up anything. We pay with lives or limbs, our sweat and blood to pay the taxes, and the lives of our children. They do no such thing. Let me lay this down as bout plain as it gets. Even if one of the elites' children actually does see combat, they go through all kinds of ROTC type shit, the Academy, flight training, and go into the service as officers. Then they are charged with the task of flying a plane and pushing a button to drop bombs. A pushbutton hero. But a suicide bomber is a coward in their eyes. Excuse me ?

OK, now the rant is over.

Attack Iran, do it now, at least we know what is coming then. In fact, I hear Israel is itching to take out all their nuclear facilities. Russia will not be pleased, but might not take action. She might rather profit from arms sales. I would. See they sell these missiles that are totally indefensible but they only got a range of about 100 miles. If this confict occurs, Russia will make some money. They are, however, still cognizant of their own interests in the region.

Now if Israel decides to bomb Iran, of course we will be complicit. For media's sake the suits might temporarily distance themselves from that action, But not for long, because Israel can do no wrong.

I said it before, even if it is not intendended politically as a punitive action by countries that invest in the Tbills etc, and collect interest on our national debt, if they lose confidence they still have to divest thwemselves of at least some of them. To do otherwise is contrary to their national interest, and unlike in the US, some elected officals actually think of their own constituents first. Chavez comes to mind. Yup, the 'dictator' the US gov overthres in Venezuela, but was reinstated by the People in about 48 hours.Must be a real butcher.

I, I I just don't understand..... I am a Dominant by nature, ask anyone I know, I'll prove it ! I'm telling you I don't take shit from anyone. I'll take criticism, even if it isn't constructive. If I did something wrong I own up to it. Though dominant, of course one has to be responsible for their own actions.

What I don't understand is how these people can figure that it is OK to go to other countries, tell them what to do, how to change their laws, and that they can't have nukes, from ½ a world away. Everywhere they go, it must be our way, you must comply. Look at the Chavez debacle. Now they have more problems in South America.

Fucking stupid. The only problem I have other than the morality of doing ANYTHING to support this regime (paying taxes etc.) is the damage they have already done. The dead will remain dead.

You know, here is how it will be. They are fucking up bigtime, but it is going to fall upon us, not them. As usual they will deflect the consequences of their mistakes onto those they were supposed to be leading/representing . This has gone on throghout history, and will continue until TSHTF.

I must stop, going to take a happy pill and relax.

BTW I do not do drugs, by happy pill I mean either play my guitar or find something in my directory I'd like to hear right now. And of course open up another beer.

PS, if you made it all the way down here, thanks for reading.

T

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RE: Iran - 4/5/2007 12:52:20 AM   
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What I don't understand is how these people can figure that it is OK to go to other countries, tell them what to do, how to change their laws, and that they can't have nukes, from ½ a world away. Everywhere they go, it must be our way, you must comply. Look at the Chavez debacle. Now they have more problems in South America.

T



It's the belief in an absolute i.e. the notion that Western values are right. The notion that we are free and the rest of the world is a cultural backwater ran by despots. The neo-cons: they're on a crusade to preserve their ill-conceived view of the world, resorting to violence where they believe it is necessary. The means justfied by the self-proclaimed righteousness of the ends.

The interesting point is this: they act in the same manner as the tyrants they claim to oppose - employing violence, lies, exaggeration, propaganda, intimidation and fear to achieve their goals. Just as Pol Pot believed wiping out the middle classes and intelligensia was justified by the end result, the US and British governments (and their supporters) believe that the deaths of 600,000 plus Iraqis, the displacement of 2 million people and the risk of huge numbers of deaths in Iran are justified by the end result i.e. Western values are right and must be imposed around the world, regardless of the consequences.



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