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Am i the only one? - 4/16/2005 4:48:54 AM   
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i have recently found this site and must admit that i was quite pleased. As you may note by my profile, i am involved in a committed lesbian "vanilla" relationship. However, BDSM has always been a yearning and these fantasies have filled my mind and yes, alone time, for so long. i realize that i do not want to ever harm my relationship with my partner and that is my priority. However, i do wonder if there are others out there who have ever been able to discreetly venture to this side. Or am i just consdered a 'wannabe' since i will always be honest about my relationship? And yes, i do have this ongoing guilt but this is an area which she does not understand nor derive any pleasure from past experimentation.
Thanks to any of you who respond.
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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/16/2005 6:10:44 AM   
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I know of many who venture into play discreetly. But if you don't want to cheat on your other it would be best to be honest with her and explain your needs and hopefully she will let you explore and fulfill your desirers.
It took some time for my mistress to get used to her husband doing things with other ladies now both are happy, love each other and are free to be involved with others without jealousy.
If your other loves you she should understand in time and want you to be happy.
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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/16/2005 6:17:27 AM   
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Having read your profile ... I think you're making a mistake. Trust me, I know what it's like to be in a relationship with someone whom you are emotionally committed to, but which leaves you unsatisfied in vital ways. However, an affair is an affair. You will be wronging your partner, and just as important, you will be lessening yourself.

I don't want to come off as harsh. I have gone that route, and it was not worth it.

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/16/2005 6:18:12 AM   
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There are many threads that discuss a similar idea:

Married and need to be dicreet
Ethical IssuesHow to Introduce Power Exchange to Vanilla Spouse
Why all the cheating?

There are more, but my computer is being really slow and not connecting for some reason, I hope this helps

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/16/2005 6:27:08 AM   
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You will be taking an risk, if your lover finds out, she might never be abel to trust you again. What aboute talking whit her aboute this instead of going behind her back. In adition you must ask yourself, is the yearing for BDSM realy strong enough that you are willing to risk losing your love, if not then i would say talk whit her, and if she say no, drop it.

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/16/2005 6:30:01 AM   
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thank You... deep down, i do know that You are right. i guess since i stumbled on this sight, i have gotten a bit "delusional" thinking that i could fulfill this need without hurting her...but yes, as you well note: an affair is an affair.
i do appreciate your honesty.

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/16/2005 7:07:34 AM   
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Is there any possibility of a compromise?

You say your partner's tried it and not liked it. Maybe the two of you could find some mild form of play which would satisfy at least some of your needs but not be too unpleasant for your partner? One person who posts on usenet has an incredibly fulfilling relationship with his vanilla partner. She is just thrilled with the fact that all she has to do is kneel for a few seconds and say, 'Use me as you wish, Master,' and this young hot stud will get an immediate hardon and fuck her silly.

Is your partner completely closed to being poly?

As a desperate last resort, if your partner truly understands your unhappiness in this area, would she allow cybersex? I don't see cyber as a 'real' solution and you may hate it, but in my years of celibacy, being able to write interactive pornography with an online acquaintence (which is how I thought of it, not as 'real' bdsm) was better than nothing.

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/16/2005 9:07:48 AM   
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Plenty of people in the scene cheat.

Plenty of people in the scene have multiple partners and their primary partners are aware of it.

It's always the better choice to be fully honest with all of your partners.

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/19/2005 1:35:58 PM   
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Goodness, i don't know how I missed this one.

No one can tell you what to do, but there's been some very good advice up here. I've been in the same situation, and I did lie about my extra-relationship activities. It is not worth it, all I did was hurt the guy I loved, and ended up with a dom who eventually used my lying and cheating past against me.

This is the only advice I feel I can give: whatever you do... be honest with your partner, and honest to yourself.

Take care,
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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/19/2005 9:07:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jst4ujst4now
And yes, i do have this ongoing guilt but this is an area which she does not understand nor derive any pleasure from past experimentation.


Further thoughts in this arena ... perhaps my original example of a compromise wouldn't have rung either of your chimes, but there are other possibilities. For example, if you were blindfolded, even vanilla sensation play might make you feel somewhat submissive. Another option is 'virtual bondage' ... where your partner has you hold on to a headboard and not move your hands. Maybe these could be something your partner would see as gently titillating but might help you into a headspace you enjoy?


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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/20/2005 1:35:53 PM   
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quote:

i have recently found this site and must admit that i was quite pleased. As you may note by my profile, i am involved in a committed lesbian "vanilla" relationship. However, BDSM has always been a yearning and these fantasies have filled my mind and yes, alone time, for so long. i realize that i do not want to ever harm my relationship with my partner and that is my priority. However, i do wonder if there are others out there who have ever been able to discreetly venture to this side. Or am i just consdered a 'wannabe' since i will always be honest about my relationship? And yes, i do have this ongoing guilt but this is an area which she does not understand nor derive any pleasure from past experimentation.


A friend of mine had the same situation a few year's ago. Essentially she told her partner. They both came to a few munches and parties. Her partner didn't exactly care for the lifestyle. My friend did..and wanted it. So, they are no longer together. The new partner is about in the same boat. She doesn't care for the lifestyle either.

I would be honest if it were me. Knowing once I started slinking around my relationship would be doomed once found out. Unfortunately I don't know of any advice to offer to fix the issue.

My friend, well my dom and myself go hang out at the gay bar with them now and play pool. She gets to live through us. Not the same but it keeps her sane.

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/20/2005 9:56:50 PM   
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quote:

i am involved in a committed lesbian "vanilla" relationship. However, BDSM has always been a yearning and these fantasies have filled my mind and yes, alone time, for so long. i realize that i do not want to ever harm my relationship with my partner and that is my priority. However, i do wonder if there are others out there who have ever been able to discreetly venture to this side


i hope i dont offend you with this suggestion.........and that's all it is...a suggestion.
i understand that you dont want to hurt your partner, but have you thought about talking to her about your cravings and considered "playing" (not sexually, bdsm doesnt have to be sexual) with a member of the opposite sex. Maybe she wont feel as threatened or it may allay some of her fears of perhaps losing you to it.

Again, i hope i didnt offend, just offering an alternative :)


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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/23/2005 8:54:21 AM   
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thanks so much.......yes, the virtual bondage has been helpful; it appears that this will always be just in my mind....and i guess, that's better than nothing. i do know that my partner is not open to other relationships...cyber or otherwise....and this is just a small part of my needs.......perhaps in another life........

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/23/2005 9:31:05 AM   
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Hi there, I'm new too, and like you, am just coming to terms with who I really am. So far I've found that the people here are just lovely and really helpful.

I'm in two minds about the whole 'cheating' issue, and have been as honest with my Vanilla partner as I can be. The fact is, you don't want to force someone to be someone they aren't, but at the same time you can't afford to neglect your needs...that's living death.

Lots of self-searching ahoy...but you're not alone by any stretch of the imagination.

Best wishes.

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/24/2005 5:44:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jst4ujst4now

thanks so much.......yes, the virtual bondage has been helpful; it appears that this will always be just in my mind....and i guess, that's better than nothing. i do know that my partner is not open to other relationships...cyber or otherwise....and this is just a small part of my needs.......perhaps in another life........


this makes me sad. i wish you could have everything you need.

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/25/2005 1:52:58 AM   
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I don't know if this will be any help to you jst4ujstnow. This is a story written by my Master over 4 yrs ago. We've grown everyday and enjoy the lifestyle we've chosen. It's fun, it suits us and there's no going back it's too enjoyable.
Talk to your partner, discuss concepts and be honest with yourself and your partner.

arwen xx


I am NorthStar, proud to be the Master of arwen, my devoted wife and submissive.



We have not long started down this amazing path together after some time studying and becoming involved separately. I will try to explain how our love and intimacy has developed since we found the D/s lifestyle.



arwen and I have lived together in relative harmony as man and wife for the past six years.

I was happy in My marriage and I felt arwen was too. Despite this I'd always thought there could be more to it. Although I wasn't aware of it at first, arwen thought the same way, and through internet chat rooms, found the lifestyle and a great many people that were into it. The BDSM chat rooms and websites became her favorites and she began to learn.



arwen walked the path alone for about a year, joining communities, reading postings, joining chat and becoming more involved in a lifestyle that was new to her. I was never interested. she would always be asking me to read a posting or telling Me about a conversation she'd had with some Dominant or other. I never really gave it consideration until arwen decided she wanted to explore the lifestyle further, by actually going to see a dominant.



At this point I thought it was definitely time to get interested. My wife wanted to see another man to explore a lifestyle I had very little knowledge of; did I think this was OK?


Actually I did say yes. I have always trusted My wife and I knew she would benefit from such an experience. I could see she was serious about the situation and not wanting it as a way out of our relationship, rather as a way of enriching it. As her husband I believe it is my responsibility to allow her room to grow, to find herself, not to stifle her.



The man she went to meet was a Dominant she had spoken to on many occasions. He had a few years experience and was a chat room regular. He was well respected by others who knew Him, and recommended by one of His ex-subs. I spoke to Him on many occasions, both on IM and on the phone. I was present at most of his and arwens conversations, without his knowledge. I read all his emails to arwen, nothing was kept from me. He appeared genuine in his interest and honorable in his intentions. In the end I was happy to trust him.


So, I agreed to my wife meeting a dominant and, at the same time I decided I could walk this path too.

I joined the community of the chatroom arwen was a member of. I posted a message on the message board explaining who I was and what my thoughts were about arwen and her proposed meet with her Dom. That night was the real turning point for me, when I opened up to my wife for the first time and showed her more of who I really was. I had made promises to her and everyone in the community that I was 100 % OK with the situation, that I trusted her totally and that I knew she would come back to me a better and more complete person. I was beginning to wonder if it was all true. For the first time I felt she was slipping away from me and that I, rather than begging her to stay, was holding the door open for her to just walk out and leave me.



It scared the hell out of me. I have never cried in front of my wife before, but I did that night. I felt I was too far in to back out and that I just couldn't find the strength to keep the promises I had made to everyone. I was frightened, and the fact that I felt that way, the fact I realized what I was feeling made it even worse. arwen just held me and listened as I told her everything through a flood of tears. I looked deep into my soul that night, and saw myself staring back. A small child, with no idea what he was getting into. Frightened and scared that he would lose everything because he let a situation get beyond his control. I encountered real fear that night, for the first time in my life.



I changed that night. Everything I thought I was was stripped away. arwen helped me find the strength and the courage to see things through. Her support then was so important to me. I feel now I have a better understanding of who I am and why I feel the way I do. Why I feel I can trust her so much. I had read somewhere that "your fears, if you explore them are a treasure house of self knowledge". I feel I know exactly what that quote means now.



So the meeting went ahead, and I have to say, I was more confident about the whole situation. I had decided that the D/s lifestyle was for me and realized, after a lot of reading, how much sense the concept of Dominance and submission made. I knew I had the qualities of a Dominant, or at least, had aspirations to those qualities. However, the question at the back of my mind was, could I be submissive?



By this time arwen and I had started to experiment by playing scenes. I did not consider myself to be a Dominant at this point, I just saw it as a way to help arwen explore her submissiveness. arwen and I discussed my thoughts about me being submissive to her and we decided that she would "Top" me in a scene to see how I felt. we did that and I now know I couldn't be a sub. It's not that I didn't enjoy the scene or was uncomfortable relinquishing control, it's hard to explain. I just didn't feel submissive and knew I'd gain little by trying to become something I wasn't.



I was now well interested in the D/s lifestyle and now I knew what I wanted from it.
I realized to be a good Dominant I would need to study, to read articles written by both Dominants and Submissives in order to get a good understanding of what I was aiming to be, and the lifestyle I wanted to live. Some of the most interesting and enjoyable pieces I read were composed by male submissives.



I try to do some reading most days and don't think I will ever say that I wouldn't need to anymore. I know I could never say I was a complete, "successful" Dominant. D/s seems to be a constantly evolving philosophy that could never really be pinned down. I have been told from the start that there is no wrong way of living the D/s lifestyle, unless it is abusive or doesn't conform to the safe sane and consensual ideal. It all comes down to the preferences of the Dominant and submissive in question and they can be many and varied.



With this in mind, a relationship where the two parties become so intimate and experiment constantly to explore the roles they've entered into it is no wonder that some form of evolution occurs. Feelings change, limits change and the whole philosophy gets re-evaluated as a result. It is this that I find the best aspect of this lifestyle.



If a Dominant and His submissive have complete honesty and trust, and that communication is always open between them then the relationship will always grow. I am no expert, but this is what I believe. I don't think there will ever be a time when W/we say "right, W/we are here, the journey is over". The truth is the journey will never be over, and far from putting us off, it only adds to the excitement. D/s is a journey, not a destination. I think I read that somewhere and I believe it to be absolutely true.

I've digressed somewhat, haven't I?



arwens meeting with her Dom went well enough. I won't go into details here, I will leave that to arwen to explain and I'm sure she would be happy to talk about it with you if you asked her to. arwen learned one important thing that weekend, that I was her One. My trust and My faith in her were justified. As I had learned about Myself, she had done the same. It may have been an unusual step but I feel that it has benefited U/us immensely and W/we have become closer and more intimate that I ever thought possible. One thing was clear when arwen returned from that weekend, if she was going to have a dominant, it was going to be Me.



I have felt I was ready to receive arwens gift of submission since she returned to Me. She felt she was ready too but we waited to make sure there were no doubts, and to let emotions calm down. It made sense to let our friends in the chat room get used to the idea that arwen would not be seeing her Dom again, rather than announcing a collaring straight away. we feel we have come a long way in a few short weeks.



arwen accepted My collar two weeks after her meeting took place. our love and our understanding of E/each other has deepened so much I can scarcely believe it. we are eager to find what the future has in store for us.



NS.


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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/14/2006 2:50:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jst4ujst4now

i have recently found this site and must admit that i was quite pleased. As you may note by my profile, i am involved in a committed lesbian "vanilla" relationship. However, BDSM has always been a yearning and these fantasies have filled my mind and yes, alone time, for so long. i realize that i do not want to ever harm my relationship with my partner and that is my priority. However, i do wonder if there are others out there who have ever been able to discreetly venture to this side. Or am i just consdered a 'wannabe' since i will always be honest about my relationship? And yes, i do have this ongoing guilt but this is an area which she does not understand nor derive any pleasure from past experimentation.
Thanks to any of you who respond.


Hi there -

No - you are most definitely not alone.  I was in the exact same position you are in last year when I first ventured in to the lifestyle.  My girlfriend had gone home to India to visit her parents.  We knew she would be leaving anyway before the end of last year due to Visa issues.  So the whole relationship was becoming very emotionally difficult.

While she was gone I became involved in the local scene.  When she came back it was difficult for me to get out and play - but I did sneak out occasionally.  I hated the subterfuge and sneaking around but I needed that outlet to get away from the emotional pain I was going through at home.

I did end up sharing what I was doing with her (right before she left) and she was actually curious about it but I didn't take her out to the scene - it just didn't feel right.  She has since left, I have been free to persue the lifestyle more actively.

I guess my advice would be to share your interests and desires.  The worst that can happen is she will say no.  But speaking for myself I know I can't go back to a vanilla relationship.

Good luck and I hope you find a resolution that is agreeable to all parties.  Would be happy to chat one-on-one if you like too ... just send me a message ...


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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/14/2006 3:51:54 PM   
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This is for the op.  I know exactly what you are going through i am married to a total vanilla man.  I  never want to hurt him(so i did not tell him) but i needed a Master (whom i found) a wonderful  Master. Now i am not saying this is right for everyone so please don't jump all over me.  It has worked for me and as long as we are discreet everything will be ok.

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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/14/2006 9:26:34 PM   
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No, you are not alone.   I have a somewhat vanilla lesbian partner that I've been discussing my feelings with.   She's somewhat open but has a long way to go.  She's allowed me to have "boys" over but within limits.
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RE: Am i the only one? - 4/14/2006 9:46:34 PM   
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You are not alone. My advice to you is to be honest with your partner. When you have a life partner you accept them for who they are.. all of them. You can't pick and choose just the parts you like. Talk to her. You may be surprised and find her very supportive.
 
Each relationship is different. i am very lucky to be in a vanilla relationship that is open. My partner allows me to get my needs met elsewhere. He knows where i am and who i am with at all times. It works for us.
 
If she cares about you she will listen.

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