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juliaoceania -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 8:45:15 AM)

Oh.... and for those of us reading this thread that do not like walmart... yes our boycotting is working

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15526988/

Now the more recent stories are trying to spin a walmart gaining in sales, but they lost their ass over Christmas.

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Wal-Mart feels the heatDespite Wal-Mart (Charts) being the first out of the gate with the most aggressive price cuts on Black Friday, the world's largest retailer failed to get the sales momentum that it sorely needed in light of ongoing sales sluggishness at its namesake stores.
In fact, November sales at its stores open at least a year - a key retail measure known as same-store sales - dipped 0.1 percent.
Cohen expects next weekend will be critical for Wal-Mart to make a last ditch effort to salvage its holiday season.
"Wal-Mart talked big but delivered little for consumers. Consumers were frustrated when they couldn't find many of its talked-about deals in its stores because of tight inventory," said Cohen.
Moreover, Wal-Mart's folly may have benefited its competitors like Target, Best Buy and Toys "R" Us, according to Britt Beemer, chairman of America's Research Group (ARG).

http://money.cnn.com/2006/12/11/news/economy/holidayshopping_update/index.htm Seems that many consumers are doing exactly what those of you on this thread say they should... not shop places they do not like.



sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 9:10:02 AM)

Englewood here in Chicago is also a predominantly a Black neighborhood and borders a Hispanic neighborhood called Back of the Yards (reference to the StockYards) and Hyde Park (yuppieville central and University of Chicago - where they're planning an Olympic stadium if Chicago gets picked). hey, if you don't want one in CA, send a Wal-Mart here to us!  we need the economic growth and development ...we need the big businesses to come to our neighborhood not going to the ritzy part of Chicago which would be out of the way for many of our seniors and disabled who are on a fixed income ...this community is not thriving because jobs aren't readily available for residents here - high unemployment is a major factor. i would like to see my neighborhood grow into something better like they're trying to do on the westside in the Austin community (another predominantly Black neighborhood that has the same problem like Englewood). i grow tired of not seeing businesses taking little or no interest in my neighborhood yet they will first consider other communities like Wrigleyville, Rogers Park, or South Loop for an example. i working with an organization to help businesses see that Englewood is a good place to invest.

good luck with your protest however we desperately need businesses like Wal-Mart, Target, etc to invest and rebuild in this community. i would like to see my community grow and prosper not downplayed for murder and high crime on the 10p news. i for one would like to shop and spend money within my own surroundings than put dollars back into the suburban coffers that wouldn't help/benefit my community. build a Wal-Mart here and the people will come. i should run for aldermanic office next time.

end of rant

have a nice day.



SlavesKeeper -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 9:14:46 AM)

What boycott?:



Real0ne -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 9:15:56 AM)

i noticed that in dealing with them too.   i go there as little as possioble.



farglebargle -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 9:34:07 AM)

The reason Wal-Mart failed in NYC is that the street-level distribution network which already exists for chinese made junk is about 100x more efficient than Wal-Mart could ever hope to be.

Wal-Mart in NYC would RAISE prices.




farglebargle -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 9:36:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

What is your proposed solution?


Ban Artificial Legal Entities from owning property. Wal-Mart would have never gotten out of control if when Sam died, 1/2 the capital got taken away in Estate Taxes.




Invictus754 -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 9:51:46 AM)

Why is everyone so against WalMart?  30 years ago, WalMarts were only in rural areas providing jobs where there were none, and helping rural areas survive inflation and recessions.  This is the American dream - american founds company, grows it into a multinational powerhouse and dies rich.  Every one of us would have done the same thing in Sam's shoes. 
 
WalMart provides jobs for fast food workers to aspire to, and jobs for those who are too lazy to stay in school to earn a degree and get a job that takes a brain.  Apparently, WalMarts are sorely needed in the US at this point.



farglebargle -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 9:54:54 AM)

The point being that when SAM DIED, SAM'S STORE should have also.

The Corporation, Wal-Mart has nothing in common with Sam Walton. Sam used to be proud to Buy American.

Wal-Mart can't import chinese crap fast enough.




Nosathro -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 10:11:05 AM)

Working in the Public Health Care System..you would be surprised at how many abuse the system..they don't work for Walmart
 
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The one I am working for now does not have healthinsureance for the over 100 employees, giving the "can afford it" excuse.  The fact is there is no law that requires healthcare coverage for employees why Walmart is single out I do not know.


 
Because Walmart costs all of us billions of dollars by having us support their workers, and this has been documented in a Berkeley study. Walmart actually gives their employees information on how to exploit state medical insurance



HisProperty4Life -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 10:16:26 AM)

I prefer to shop at Target, but they don't always have what I need. Then I go to Albertsons but they are in financial distress and closing all around me. So I will be forced to go to Wal Mart, but hey I can't afford to go to Kroger or Tom Thumb/Safeway way to expensive.



NeedToUseYou -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 11:41:49 AM)

As far as Wal-Mart goes, I don't think they can be stopped, It's human nature, in general to take ones own situation above that of others, especially when that situation one is causing is several steps removed from your reality. It may trickle back, but that takes years, people will have disassociated the link between the factory closing and Wal-Mart by then.

In all honesty I think the only thing that could kill the mighty Wal-Mart is a completely automated store, that had virtually no labor costs. So, watch out what you wish for we just might get it. Seeing these large online warehouse, like Amazon, are making headway in automating the process(eliminating humans from process), it is not a large leap of the imagination to see how one could take that system, once refined 10 years or so from now scale it down and call it Robo-Mart and stuff one in every town. Labour cost reduction would be amazing. A few techs and you got a thriving cut throat bottom price saling machine.  I think someone will do this eventually, probably Wal-Mart in all likely hood.




Missokyst -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 12:55:58 PM)

[sm=banana.gif]That almost made me cum.
Kyst
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet
all they have to do is boycott the place and watch it go down in flames.




UtopianRanger -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 1:03:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Riveting documentary about Walmart
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3836296181471292925&q=genre%3Adocumentary&hl=en



You're a warrior.....but I pity you today. Did we not do this one time before? Where's LaM and Chaingang when you need them [;)]



- R








cyberdude611 -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 1:19:55 PM)

Wal-Mart does offer healthcare for employees. It's not free of course, it isn't free anywhere. And sure there are restrictions. Most places won't let you sign up for insurance unless you've been employed for at least a year. That's more the insurance company's fault. My employer (private company) offers health insurance but it is $140 a month just for single coverage. I declined coverage and instead went out and bought my own for nearly half the cost. Health insurance premiums are going up, up, up and up. That's not Wal-Mart's fault. That's the insurance companies fault combined with the rising cost of healthcare in this country. A simple ER visit will cost you at least $500. Walk-in clinics are near $100 bucks, and any specialist is astronomincal. Dental? HA! Prepare to pay $1,000 a tooth even with insurance.




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 1:22:34 PM)

Well, if anyone figures out the answer to this dilemma of capitalism, let me know. How do we take care of workers while having cheaper prices?



MstrDouglas -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 1:35:04 PM)

I recently lost a step-neice, she happened to work for Wal-Mart.  I will NOT bad mouth Wal-Mart for any reason after their treatment of her.  Not only did they adjust her schedule and hours to allow her to work whenever she was physically able to, and thus maintain her employment and insurance,  they called in workers from other stores so her friends and co-workers could attend her funeral.  J passed away after a 2 year battle with lukemia, out of the almost $2M hospital bill, she and her family had to pay........$0...........keep complaining about Wal-Mart if you want to, they will get my and my family business.  As with any business a lot has to do with the local management.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 2:04:36 PM)

Another point to consider, if Wal Mart were to crash as a consequence of a boycott who do you Utopians think would suffer the most?
Why the very people you claim you really want to help. NO?
How typical is that ?

By the way, I do have sympathy for exploited employees.
I am not a  fan of totally free markets.
Neither is anybody else as far as I can see judging by how loud they squeal when markets start to "work"



cyberdude611 -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 3:05:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Another point to consider, if Wal Mart were to crash as a consequence of a boycott who do you Utopians think would suffer the most?
Why the very people you claim you really want to help. NO?
How typical is that ?

By the way, I do have sympathy for exploited employees.
I am not a  fan of totally free markets.
Neither is anybody else as far as I can see judging by how loud they squeal when markets start to "work"


That's a good point. Wal-Mart has over 1.8 million employees. You take away Wal-Mart and where are those employees going to work? Many people do not know how imporant that company is to the US economy. For many cities across the country, Wal-Mart is the largest employer.

Wal-Mart isnt the only company with questionable practices in asia. You also have Microsoft, Dell, and numerous clothing and shoe companies. You can buy a pair of Nikes over in South Korea for $3. Here in the US, they cost $90. Someone has a good racket going on there. Dell just recently moved 15,000 US jobs to India. Think about that next time you plan to buy a Dell.
Ford and GM are both starting to move manufacturing plants into Latin America.

Everyone picks on Wal-Mart though because they are so big.



subrob1967 -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 3:37:34 PM)

Funny how most of the people bitching about government healthcare for Walmart employees turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to the 12 to 14 MILLION illegal aliens that use our emergency rooms as their primary health care provider.

At least the Walmart employees are legal citizens, and would be covered by the governement anyway if  your coveted "universal health care" plans ever come to be.

Non skilled entry level jobs shouldn't have to pay a living wage, everyone should start at the level their experience, and education allow them to start at. When did it become a crime to give someone incentive to stay in school to earn a good wage?

Boycott if you will, but here the local Walmart does a thriving business, which keeps costs down at our local Meijer & Kroger, and that benefits everyone, including me.



ExSteelAgain -> RE: Walmart - High Cost of Low Prices (4/7/2007 3:46:28 PM)

Y'll get off of knocking Walmart. My only social life is the Walmart greeter. I go in and out just to talk to her. Every now and then I play the glass thing for 50 cents and try to win a stuffed whatever you call it. If you want to see low end, go to K-mart. They don't even have a greeter.



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