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UtopianRanger -> RE: A nation out of control (6/26/2005 3:27:07 AM)

While it's probably the most jack-ass decision ever rendered by the High court, it definitely doesn't speak of Socialism.

What it really is and does do, is effectively turn both unelected bureaucrats and local Government minions into an oligarchy for deep-pocketed developers and big business.

Clearly the best remedy for those that are scared by this decision, would be to work at both their state and local levels drafting legislation that would more narrowly define how their local government may apply eminent domain laws.

Also, don't purchase any property that's inside the perimeter of an urban renewal zone. HAR!

I truly believe this issue will be revisited by the court at a later date.




- The Ranger



Lordandmaster -> RE: A nation out of control (6/26/2005 12:50:58 PM)

Yes, basically I agree. I've read that the new eminent domain standards are not going to be very easy for townships to pursue in practice, but the fact that this is going to be fubar to implement obviously doesn't mean it was a good idea in the first place.



Youtalkingtome -> RE: A nation out of control (6/26/2005 4:23:27 PM)

UtopianRanger this is not directated at you but everyone that says this isn't socialism.
All of you are only looking at it as a capitalist or big business venture.What about my property at a lake?It could be taken for housing of different types.Low income housing from and for the community,sold to a developer for housing like condos and many other things.You all seem to be only looking at it as capitalism.You are not lookig at the whole picture.
It could also be taken and made into a park that would benifit the community.
The Supreme decision didn't state that it had to be for a business.It only stated that if the commuinty would better benifit from it.Also if someone wanted to buy a house and tear it down and build a much bigger and more expencive house then the community would benifit from this in the form of the new owner paying more taxes.
That was my lake front property that I was talking about.Now my house is real close to an exit on I95.The state could take my house and others to make a parking lot or park that would benifit the community.
As I said you are not looking at the big picture.
Some of what I said may sound unlikely but it is possible.It would depend where the property is located.



Lordandmaster -> RE: A nation out of control (6/26/2005 8:27:37 PM)

Then you've proven that the law itself isn't socialist. Only the motivation for invoking it may or may not be socialist.

And, trust me, it ain't gonna be.



UtopianRanger -> RE: A nation out of control (6/26/2005 11:38:01 PM)

I do understand why you are upset about this ruling, but keep in mind that even the majority opinion noted that it was an issue for the states and local governments to decide how to apply it. And even Justice Kennedy noted that he would not be inclined to uphold eminent domain use if the primary beneficiary were a private party rather than the community.

The great thing you have going for you, is that, a very large majority of the populace despises this ruling. Everyone from conservative church group's , non-property owners, minorities, and even socialists have spoken out vigorously against the takings clause.

My suggestion to you, would be to put a small ad in your local newspaper with a few lines noting your displeasure over this ruling. Use the ad as a solicitation to form a PAC group within your local community. Then draft an initiative that really puts the clamps on the way local bureaucrats can use eminent domain.

You could word the initiative to where it completely eliminates the power of eminent domain from seizing private property for private commercial development - I'd bet a nickel against a donut that it would pass with flying colors. It's a lot of work but it's worth it.


Best of luck to you.



- The Ranger



Youtalkingtome -> RE: A nation out of control (6/27/2005 7:14:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Then you've proven that the law itself isn't socialist. Only the motivation for invoking it may or may not be socialist.

And, trust me, it ain't gonna be.

You are correct.I never said that it was a socialist law.



Youtalkingtome -> RE: A nation out of control (6/27/2005 7:41:53 AM)

Thank you for your responce. Yes,And I live in one of the most liberal/socialist states.The state already wants 2/3 rds of the land for a national park.The ad has already been in the paper by another person.But it is not likely to change anything.They were already doing this before it was legal.
Last week Portland Maine was voted to be in the top 10 Green friendly cities in the country.That is southern Maine.Most of the population is in southern Maine and always out votes the rest of the state in everything.Very liberal!! I live in central Maine.And the City Of Bangor is now running biodiesel fuel.It has to be trucked from Boston because their is no demand for it.Their is no hope for this state untill it caves in on it's self because of no tax revenue after most people move out of state because their is no work here.It is a welfare state.Homeless people from all over know this and come here from time to time.It was also on the news two weeks ago that Maine is more accepting of non working immigrants.You would have to see this mess that we are into in order to believe it!



Youtalkingtome -> RE: A nation out of control (6/28/2005 8:39:48 PM)

I have a link to something that I hope takes place.
http://www.freenation.tv/hotellostliberty2.html



Lordandmaster -> RE: A nation out of control (9/6/2005 7:31:26 PM)

Update:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050907/ap_on_re_us/seizing_property



UtopianRanger -> RE: A nation out of control (9/6/2005 9:49:45 PM)

I kinda had a feeling the court might revisit the issue or someone would intervene. Local governments would eventually have bedlam on their hands if they started to become more bolder.

Private property is the cornerstone of freedom and individual liberty; It generates wealth and allows independence from government and corporations - I'm glad Congress stepped in on this one.


- The Ranger



lonewolf05 -> RE: A nation out of control (9/7/2005 6:27:05 AM)

this nation lost control november 1963...
wolf



SirWaverider -> RE: A nation out of control (9/7/2005 8:38:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ruffnecksbabygir

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Quite a number of Cuban Americans seem to me to be nutjobs with chips on their shoulders a mile wide.


Here's a Cuban American nutjob with a huge chip on her shoulders.....go f*%@ yourself!

Would you say the same thing about blacks? would you dare say, "african americans seem to me to be nutjobs with chips on their shoulders" .... or what about jews...i don't think so, yet it's totally acceptable to slander cuban americans....well, you are right, we do have a huge chip on our shoulders, that chip is fidel castro who has held our country hostage for over 40 years now, it's easy to sit from a far and judge us as nut jobs but you don't know the history behind it, you can only speak about the bits and pieces that is heard on the news/media....i was born in the US, and very proud to be american, my family has been here for over 40 years....but i have visited cuba (my family) several times, plus i know up close the cuban tragedy. It's easy to dismiss us as a bunch of nut jobs without even trying to understand



SirWaverider -> RE: A nation out of control (9/7/2005 8:47:10 AM)

crap! sorry I'm still trying to figure thi out.....

Look People........we need to strart undertanding that we cannot keep hating eachother.....I can't understand why Americans (OF ANY FREAKIN MIX) can't band together and become an AMERICAN country....why hate?? it never brought us anything but riots and hatred towards our fellow man...uuhh and woman..lol yeah we've(our government) has don't stupid things like train people to do evil things like.....lets see.......FLY OUR planes into buildings filled with innocent AMERICAN people.....can you not remember that?? have you forgotten that?? I fought for my country I am a Proud Veteran...I can't really uinderstand why you have to hate you're own kind..no not cuban, jew, black or white.....but AMERICAN



pantera -> RE: A nation out of control (9/8/2005 8:30:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: .I can't really uinderstand why you have to hate you're own kind..no not cuban, jew, black or white.....but AMERICAN


wise words- and I agree- I am a proud Cuban...and a proud American :) and I love everybody that is not trying to screw up this country-



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: A nation out of control (9/9/2005 10:07:21 PM)

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this nation lost control november 1963...
wolf
True. I think we almost got a grip again while Clinton was in office again, but... M



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: A nation out of control (9/9/2005 10:27:15 PM)

P.S. Watching George Carlin and Cynthia Tucker kick ass on Real Time with Bill Maher talking about N.O., and The state of the nation; I wish I could post a script of the words here. M



MasterBenedict -> RE: A nation out of control (9/9/2005 10:57:41 PM)

As tgo the wise words previouisly stated I can only offer my wholehearted support



pantera -> RE: A nation out of control (9/10/2005 9:05:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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this nation lost control november 1963...
wolf
True. I think we almost got a grip again while Clinton was in office again, but... M



LOL!!!!! ha! ha!!!!! ... this post should be in the Humor section-

ok...back on my chair now-



BlkTallFullfig -> RE: A nation out of control (9/10/2005 12:31:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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this nation lost control november 1963...
wolf

True. I think we almost got a grip again while Clinton was in office again, but... M
LOL!!!!! ha! ha!!!!! ... this post should be in the Humor section-

ok...back on my chair now-
I'm glad I inspire laughter in you with my posts; there are worse things to be than funny.
For example, some of your posts make me think: talking out your ass, sell out, dereliction, faustian bargain (except soul not traded for knowledge), racism, blow hard, unkind, ungentle/foolish/vicious, avaricious, ignorance and dumbass (excuse the redundancy and grammar errors) but enough about my impression.
Think I'll go back to thinking nice thoughts again. M



darkinshadows -> RE: A nation out of control (9/10/2005 3:16:30 PM)

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And so once again
My dear Johnny, my dear friend ~
And so once again you are fightin' us all.
And when I ask you why
You raise your sticks and cry,
And I fall.
Oh, my friend
How did you come
To trade the fiddle for the drum?

You say I have turned
Like the enemies you've earned ~
But I can remember all the good things you are
And so I ask you please
Can I help you find the peace
And the star.
Oh, my friend
What time is this
To trade the handshake for the fist?

And so once again
Oh, America my friend ~
And so once again you are fighting us all
And when we ask you why
You raise your sticks and cry,
And we fall.
Oh, my friend
How did you come
To trade the fiddle for the drum?

You say we have turned
Like the enemies you've earned ~
But we can remember all the good things you are
And so we ask you please
Can we help you find the peace
And the star.
Oh my friend
We have all come
To fear the beating of your drum...

Joni Mitchel



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