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Shymissa -> A nation out of control (4/18/2005 3:22:54 AM)
We wage a war on terrorism and sacrifice our bravest young men for this cause but how commited are we? I can't help being annoyed when I find out that our nation is harboring Luis Posada Carriles who has gained entry into our country illegally and is currently applying for assylum. The official statement released by our government more or less stated that Posada may be arrested if he goes to the dept of homeland security, in which case they will consider deporting him. This is a man considered one of hte most dangerous terrorists of the past century and still we do not find the need to look for him? The criminal mastermind was trained by our country to assasinate castro and combat his regime in cuba...but 40 years later how much liberty can we allow this man? The cold war is over. In 76' Posada bombed a cubana airline and 73 people died. in 1997 the man arranged a series of bombings in havanna, one of which killed an italian importer-exporter. This is a man out of control, a man that confessed to his involement in the bombings and claimed the Cuban American foundation paid him 200,000 to execute the 1997 bombings. Why is this organization not investigated? Why are they allowed to opporate in this country? How does terrorism help establish democracy in cuba? We cannot arbitrarily decide which terrorsim is bad and which is not..all terrorism is an affront to democracy. the action of outgovernment in this case call into question the entire war on terrorism and all of the men that have died or been wounded in its name. The men and women of our armed forces are the freedom fighters not this terrorist Posada as the Cuban american foundation claims. ....Why is this man in our country? Oh and did I mention that Posada's escape from a venizulen (sp?) was facillitated and planned but CAF? Yep...these are the types of groups we allow to operate in our country.

Aquilifer -> RE: A nation out of control (4/19/2005 9:21:05 PM)
Quite a number of Cuban Americans seem to me to be nutjobs with chips on their shoulders a mile wide. During the runup to the Iraq War, I spent some quality time researching biological warfare, because I knew that at one time, Iraq once had an active offensive BW program going. I wasn't thrilled about the impending invasion, to put it mildly. But I was worried about what American troops might be walking into. Turns out that UNSCOM stubbed out the aforesaid Iraqi program like a cigarette butt in the 1995-1996 timeframe. But I digress. The Cuban-American community, or at least part of it, is pantingly certain that Castro has an active offensive BW program going. How on Earth they came by this information was never touched upon in the content on their web sites. Such programs are very deep black by their nature; details as fine-grained as the Cuban-Americans assert are _not_ going to be anything close common knowledge. Historically, nobody involved in such is likely to blab, barring defection, until after the program has been shut down AND a regime change has gone in. Also, historically, "outed" offensive BW labs have tended to get converted to legitimate research PDQ, overall program shutdown or not. And given the uneven safety record of Biopreparat back in the Bad Old Days (nope, Sverdlovsk/1979 was NOT the only accident, though it was probably the worst), it strikes me that Castro would have to be a lot more nuts than he seems to be, to run something like that.

ManOwner -> RE: A nation out of control (4/19/2005 9:25:21 PM)
Yup. And Posada's cohort, Orlando Bosch, currently resides in Biscayne Bay while militia groups in South Florida terrorize Cubans on a daily basis.

onceburned -> RE: A nation out of control (4/19/2005 10:32:30 PM)
The U.S. government was about to deport Orlando Bosch in 1989 but Presdent Bush overturned it and granted him permanent residence. Luis Posada Carriles oversaw the anti-Sandinista guerrilla operations in Nicaragua during the 1980's... so presumably there are a number of folks in the U.S. government who feel we owe him a favor, too.

onceburned -> RE: A nation out of control (4/19/2005 10:34:22 PM)
oops

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: A nation out of control (4/20/2005 5:08:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: onceburned Luis Posada Carriles oversaw the anti-Sandinista guerrilla operations in Nicaragua during the 1980's... so presumably there are a number of folks in the U.S. government who feel we owe him a favor, too. These are the kinds of missing pieces of info we don't get on a regular basis, and the reason we are often baffled by horrendous acts towards us or by us. M

ruffnecksbabygir -> RE: A nation out of control (4/20/2005 7:52:00 AM)
quote: Quite a number of Cuban Americans seem to me to be nutjobs with chips on their shoulders a mile wide. Here's a Cuban American nutjob with a huge chip on her shoulders.....go f*%@ yourself! Would you say the same thing about blacks? would you dare say, "african americans seem to me to be nutjobs with chips on their shoulders" .... or what about jews...i don't think so, yet it's totally acceptable to slander cuban americans....well, you are right, we do have a huge chip on our shoulders, that chip is fidel castro who has held our country hostage for over 40 years now, it's easy to sit from a far and judge us as nut jobs but you don't know the history behind it, you can only speak about the bits and pieces that is heard on the news/media....i was born in the US, and very proud to be american, my family has been here for over 40 years....but i have visited cuba (my family) several times, plus i know up close the cuban tragedy. It's easy to dismiss us as a bunch of nut jobs without even trying to understand our past and our personal dilemas with the cuban gov'rnt. History will speak for itself. [image]local://upfiles/77460/4A7AC8882E0E454284F5C1B6E5B3098F.jpg[/image]

Youtalkingtome -> RE: A nation out of control (4/20/2005 9:34:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ManOwner Yup. And Posada's cohort, Orlando Bosch, currently resides in Biscayne Bay while militia groups in South Florida terrorize Cubans on a daily basis. ManOwner, What is your definition of a militia group?? It seems that you may get your your news from the liberal media.And they get most of their information about militias from liberal hate groups that want to promote their own agenda.That being the southern poverty law center and the anti-defamation league.At one time they were both headed by one man that was very hateful.I don't know who runs them now but I am sure the person wouldn't be any better. A real militia group is like the one in Arizona at the border that is doing the job for the fed.gov. because they don't want real border patrol. I should say doing the job for the people because the fed. gov. doesn't want real border patrol.The national guard should be on the border but they are the military and are sent outside the country.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: A nation out of control (4/21/2005 9:13:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ruffnecksbabygir Would you say the same thing about blacks? would you dare say, "african americans seem to me to be nutjobs with chips on their shoulders" Oh Why do we have to go there? I agree that he shouldn't have said that. Can't you make your argument without offending some other group while defending yours? M

ruffnecksbabygir -> RE: A nation out of control (4/21/2005 12:38:03 PM)
how did i offend any other group/race? just making a point.....a valid point, i believe. I know it wasn't nice of me to insult that person but i was pretty upset....not too many things offend me, personally, but that's just one of those things that truly offends me...i take it extremely personally.

SirKenin -> RE: A nation out of control (4/21/2005 1:38:27 PM)
Who's the real terrorist? Well, I guess that all depends on Y/your point of view, does it not?

ruffnecksbabygir -> RE: A nation out of control (4/21/2005 1:49:34 PM)
quote: Who's the real terrorist? Well, I guess that all depends on Y/your point of view, does it not? sorry, maybe i'm a lil slow today but was that a question to me or just a sarcastic comment?

ruffnecksbabygir -> RE: A nation out of control (4/21/2005 2:10:43 PM)
quote: Oh Why do we have to go there? I agree that he shouldn't have said that. Can't you make your argument without offending some other group while defending yours? M Have something else to add here..... I was NOT offending any other group, you completely missed my point. I was only making the observation that it is acceptable to bash hispanics, or more specifically in this case, cuban-americans, yet if anyone were to refer to any other group or race that way they'd be called a racist or prejudice. It's a double standard and it makes me sick.

MadameDahlia -> RE: A nation out of control (4/21/2005 2:35:51 PM)
I don't think that is necessarily true. My best friend is half Hispanic, half German. I love her to pieces and wouldn't let anyone talk badly about either side of her heritage. Likewise a close submissive friend of mine with whom I experienced much through the course of several months is fully Hispanic. Neither his mum nor I allow him to tear down his heritage - even in jest. I consider it just as close minded to make fun of one group as I would any other. I hardly think I fit into that group who thinks it is acceptable to make fun of or "bash" another group of individuals.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: A nation out of control (4/21/2005 7:23:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ruffnecksbabygir quote: Oh Why do we have to go there? I agree that he shouldn't have said that. Can't you make your argument without offending some other group while defending yours? M I was only making the observation that it is acceptable to bash hispanics, or more specifically in this case, cuban-americans, yet if anyone were to refer to any other group or race that way they'd be called a racist or prejudice. It's a double standard and it makes me sick. Who said it was acceptable to bash Hispanics? Of course it isn't... Plus don't get all intense on me, I was jokingly saying "can't we leave the African Americans out of one negative comparison for once", but if that rubbed you the wrong way, keep on, don't let me influence you. Peace, M

Shymissa -> RE: A nation out of control (4/22/2005 12:56:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirKenin Who's the real terrorist? Well, I guess that all depends on Y/your point of view, does it not? Nope, not buying this "one man's terrorist is another man's patriot" bit...we made him a terrorist we need to keep him in check someone I know that is in the know seems to feel that if we know where he is we are watching and most likely he will expire in our country in the not too distant future. I think bombing planes always makes you a terrorist much like sucking cock for cash always makes you a whore.

darkinshadows -> RE: A nation out of control (4/22/2005 3:14:10 AM)
I find it quite ironic really. When the government and individuals of a nation cry 'terrorist' and mock 'others patriotism' and scaremonger another nations 'nucular potential & threat' and are the only nation to ever decide to drop it on unarmed, individuals civilians (and their own). (Disclaimer - Don't you love them? lol - I am not anti anyone, apart from people who try to justify 'any war is the right war as long as it is our war') Peace and Love

ruffnecksbabygir -> RE: A nation out of control (4/22/2005 6:43:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadameDahlia I don't think that is necessarily true. My best friend is half Hispanic, half German. I love her to pieces and wouldn't let anyone talk badly about either side of her heritage. Likewise a close submissive friend of mine with whom I experienced much through the course of several months is fully Hispanic. Neither his mum nor I allow him to tear down his heritage - even in jest. I consider it just as close minded to make fun of one group as I would any other. I hardly think I fit into that group who thinks it is acceptable to make fun of or "bash" another group of individuals. Honestly, and i will try not to go into too much of a rant this time, i felt that double standard, if you will, during the Elian Gonzalez situation, my jaw would just drop open each time i'd see people on tv and hear them on radio just bashing cuban americans and i mean making such prejudice statements as for example, Bill Mar, on pi, saying, "well, now that they took elian back the cuban americans can go back to making their human chain around the unemployment agencies" ..... i'm sorry but if he would of substituted cuban-americans with african-americans, for instance, it would of been completely unacceptable ....instead the audience just cheered him on. I live in Miami, which is a huge melting pot and i am sure i felt the tension a lot more than those in other areas of the country, plus i am cuban american myself so obviously i will be much more receptive to that sort of thing. BLKTALLFULLFIG: quote: Who said it was acceptable to bash Hispanics? Of course it isn't... Plus don't get all intense on me, I was jokingly saying "can't we leave the African Americans out of one negative comparison for once", but if that rubbed you the wrong way, keep on, don't let me influence you. Peace, M well, i'll admit i do get "intense" when it comes this topic....i go on the deffensive mode....i have to remind myself to chill out lol.

pantera -> RE: A nation out of control (4/28/2005 8:18:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ruffnecksbabygir Honestly, and i will try not to go into too much of a rant this time, i felt that double standard, if you will, during the Elian Gonzalez situation, my jaw would just drop open each time i'd see people on tv and hear them on radio just bashing cuban americans and i mean making such prejudice statements as for example, Bill Mar, on pi, saying, "well, now that they took elian back the cuban americans can go back to making their human chain around the unemployment agencies" Well, for the Clinton Administration it seemed perfectly OK to talk about "parent's rights" and send that boy back to a place where parents have NO rights.... some argue that incident cost the Dems the 2000 election....who knows- my comment to that guy that tried to kill Castro: Stupid SOB, why the heck did you fail !!!!!!! Yes, he probably killed innocent people, but let's not forget that Castro has killed MANY, MANY more...(I know...that doesn't make it ok) I'll shut up now and sit here quietly...waiting...with a chip on my shoulder LOL!!! (some people are just jealous because we are smart and goodlooking) [8D]

ruffnecksbabygir -> RE: A nation out of control (4/28/2005 8:51:41 AM)
quote: some argue that incident cost the Dems the 2000 election....who knows- i like to think so [;)] does my heart good! was just as satisfied to watch Warshaw crumble, i know what comes around goes around but his came around in such speed i was quite surprised! lol

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