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WillowRain -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (4/10/2007 8:56:46 PM)

Your miles may vary, but I can submit to a person without wanting them sexually. Recognizing someone as dominant, and being attracted to them are two totally differant gears for me. It is particularly delicious and tempting when it is a strong hit of both of those. Service has a wide range for me. Lots of types and styles of service are beautiful to me.


I can give you a weird example that happened in the vanilla world. One time I was helping my grandmother move and this gentleman that was as old as God was helping. He was an old south gentleman. He was hugely formal and polite, and danged if I didn't instinctively recognize him as Dominant. Sweet, sweet old fellow. The first time I was trying to get through the door, he went out of his way to make sure it was open for me. I spent the rest of the day in this endlessly lovely dance with him. I had to at times adjust my pace or make choices to do things in a way that would make room and time for him to do his part of the polite dance. It was really beautiful. I treated him the way I would treat any young virile man, as a man, and with respect. The only differance is that sometimes I had to consiously move slower. I gave him respect that in my opinion he deserved. It was a lovely day, and when I think of that day I always smile. It was a very tiny bit of service. There was utterly no sexual aspect to it, and a lot of people would say it was only old  south manners, and not really D&s. But to me, physically waiting for him to open doors for me, making sure that he could be in the lead, being polite, defering to him, were all D&s modalities.

I loved it. He was a doll baby. No sexual spark of any kind, but lovely to serve.




littlesarbonn -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (4/10/2007 10:03:29 PM)

I'm starting to learn I can't do so. I don't necessarily want a dominant woman sexually, but I do want her intimately, and if that's never going to be part of the picture, I really don't think it's worth my time or effort. Yeah, this is a departure from my older way of thinking, but I'm starting to realize that way too often I've been integrated into relationships that aren't all that beneficial for me, and I'm a bit tired of that.




RowanJ -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (4/10/2007 10:17:45 PM)

I definitely could NOT submit to someone that I did not completely love, want, etc.  It isn't possible for me.  Then again, I have trust issues.  But trust is very important in any relationship.  You can't just submit to someone out of the blue.  These things take time.

~Rowan




opensoul -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (4/11/2007 8:09:30 AM)

For me If I felt they did not have any love or caring for me No Way . I have major trust issues and I need to feel that love ,caring , and trust are a big part. For me to submit to someone , I can not let go totally and have what they and I want without trust , true caring and Love for them and from them.




marieToo -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (4/11/2007 8:24:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissyRane

So I started wondering..could you submit to a person without wanting them?



If you mean "wanting" them sexually, Yes, I can and have submitted in a relationship that wasn't sexual at all.  In fact, I didn't even visualize or fantasize about him in a sexual way.  If I hadn't experienced it myself, I probably would have a hard time believing anyone who said the same thing.  Furthermore it was the most intense level of submission that I have experienced thus far, though I don't attribute that necessarily to the lack of sex.  




Bearlee -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (5/1/2007 5:26:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WillowRain

I can give you a weird example that happened in the vanilla world. One time I was helping my grandmother move and this gentleman that was as old as God was helping. He was an old south gentleman. He was hugely formal and polite, and danged if I didn't instinctively recognize him as Dominant. Sweet, sweet old fellow. The first time I was trying to get through the door, he went out of his way to make sure it was open for me. I spent the rest of the day in this endlessly lovely dance with him. I had to at times adjust my pace or make choices to do things in a way that would make room and time for him to do his part of the polite dance. It was really beautiful. I treated him the way I would treat any young virile man, as a man, and with respect. The only differance is that sometimes I had to consiously move slower. I gave him respect that in my opinion he deserved. It was a lovely day, and when I think of that day I always smile. It was a very tiny bit of service. There was utterly no sexual aspect to it, and a lot of people would say it was only old  south manners, and not really D&s. But to me, physically waiting for him to open doors for me, making sure that he could be in the lead, being polite, defering to him, were all D&s modalities.

I loved it. He was a doll baby. No sexual spark of any kind, but lovely to serve.


Lordy...what a beautiful story.  Thank you soooooooo much!  It is amazing how we can meet some of our D/s needs in every day life. 

bearlee




Mustardseed -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (5/1/2007 5:30:23 PM)

Uncertain. Daddy and I have discussed the idea of him loaning me to others, but trusting him and trusting them are two different things for me. That Daddy doesn't switch and thus would have no exeprience with these people in that manner doesn't help matters much.

We're not yet in a dymanic where he'll be loaning me out, and I'm certainly not jonesing for it.




andreaC -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (5/1/2007 7:36:55 PM)

I just wont submit to anyone besides Master.........unless i am told otherwise, but it would be very hard for me. 




calcaneus -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (5/3/2007 12:51:50 AM)

very much so. i think in "the community" there are those who would like to find a play partner (could even mean 24/7 relation, but there will need to be "playtime"). There are alos those who are natural slaves or natural Owners. They feel (and know) they have been created to either serve or to rule. This is in now way the same as in a tradtional BDSM relationship. Therefore if such natural Owner find His or Her natural slave (or the other way around) the match that is made is based on their beings, and does not have a romantic basis. The Owner could of course request to be pleased in ways that would seem fitting in a traditional BDSM relation, but the reason they are joined is because of the "predetermination".




Michaelat92544 -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (5/3/2007 1:20:46 AM)

Community? Get real. It's a society, not a community. Dead Marxists....




jessk -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (5/3/2007 4:45:32 AM)

quote:

could you submit to a person without wanting them?

Yes, I could bottom to someone if that was what I really wanted to do.




LordVelvet -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (5/3/2007 7:11:13 AM)

I think that SirDiscipliner69 said it best. Since there doensn't need to be emotions involved I have Dominated many I don't "like" but it is still Dominating, which I Love. I have also submitted as I am a Switch to some I didn't "like". It is all about what you need at the moment and who can give it to you. I agree that in a long term situation that feeling and emotions come in to play a lot more.
LordVelvet




daddysliloneds -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (5/5/2007 9:06:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MissyRane

I started wondering, because of a thread in the Mistress section..there's this question "Do you want your subs to want you? "
So I started wondering..could you submit to a person without wanting them?
Personally I don't think I couldn't do it.


no, but i could certainly bottom to them just fine if they had something that i wanted, such a skill-set in areas that i love!




cjenny -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (5/5/2007 9:45:19 AM)

I spent some time thinking about this question.
Intellectually I think.. yes of course I could submit without 'wanting' that person but then I wonder..submission is strongly linked to my desire to please. Would I desire strongly to please someone I didn't want? Sigh, it is confusing.
We submit every day in a sense, following laws or work related rules etc. I don't want those folks lol. Yet there is still submission involved, a choice to obey. Jeez maybe I need more thinkin'.

If my dom wanted me to submit to another man I think I could do it and do it well.

In other words I dunno. I've not been in that position before so I can only imagine.

yadda yadda & that IMO thingie




Mustardseed -> RE: Can you submit to a person without wanting them? (5/8/2007 6:53:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jessk

Yes, I could bottom to someone if that was what I really wanted to do.


I think that this is a fairly important distinction. Bottoming to someone -- undergoing sensations presumably because they're good at delivering them, performing tasks while in predicament bondage, etc -- is different, to me, than submitting to someone. I match submitting to someone as the same as being submissive to them, as accepting their domination of me.

quote:

ORIGINAL: cjenny

I spent some time thinking about this question.
Intellectually I think.. yes of course I could submit without 'wanting' that person but then I wonder..submission is strongly linked to my desire to please. Would I desire strongly to please someone I didn't want? Sigh, it is confusing.


I'd find this akin to lying: to faking an orgasm during sex, or some other deception. It'd leave me feeling rather slimed. [:'(]




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