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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 5:09:42 AM

SirDiscipliner69

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

YES.if he/she is out and open about it ,then they can't be blackmailed etc...bounty

Homosexuals are being fired rather than have them serve the Country's interest....point in case of the lesbian intrepretor in the military ground forces of most recent times in Iraq

CIA does not allow homosexuals.

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 5:14:01 AM

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not SHOULD be, but i certainly believe he could make as good a prez as any other. We're talking USA here, not Saudi-Arabia oe Eritrea!

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 5:15:41 AM

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Being lesbian myself I find that anyone in the bdsm community thinking that they have a right to even say this when their lifestyle would be put to task in every aspect of human relations. I know that if you were to run for office and who knows what our politicians have in their closets, that you would find some pretty kinky aspects to their lives as well. Oh wait, I doubt that our current president has figured out how to get past the putting it in, finishing in five seconds and then turning over and falling asleep. kinda gross to think about. ugh

Beyond that, I find that society isnt ready but only because of bigots out there that think their way is the only way...but besides that my way is the only way. why im dominant. hehe

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 5:17:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mistrix

I agree with DV, about what the posted topic. I'm trying to teach My children to be loving and if society starts singling out gay's then what is that showing them? Society at times singles out blacks and other nationalities. It makes Me ill to know that. I'm not prejudiced and hate reading about others being singled out because of thier race, sex, religion or lack of. I wish we would just all get along. As far as what the forefathers wrote, it's suggested if you ask Me. It's not stone, it sucks to actually sit here and think, what if a gay is elected president, that that would cause a ruckus? That's absurd. There is nothing wrong with it, I know some gays are more stable and functional than some hetero's for crying out loud. It's about expressing yourself not repressing.

Do you want you children to be taught gay values in school before you have the chance or someone else has the chance to teach their family values at an appropriate time?

Society allows people to single out others as it began with the desentitiation of seeing the Viet Nam war in their homes at dinner time.

For many kids they have no concept of what pain really is when some one is shot...to them it s just a video game....not the horror...not the loss of a loved one...not the anguish...

Society is so pussy whipped right now it lets wanna be has beens like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton stir up the fire...

If it wan't for inflaming others they would just be ignored as they have both lost the power and the glory of the actual roots of Black Rights...just as much of a joke is another has been political activist Marion Barry....and don't eeven get Me started on Elenor Homes Norton...seems they all should join Jimmy Carter and build homes for Humanitat.

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 5:21:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sinimint

Umm why not a black homosexual woman president? Why?

You are racist with a comment like that.

This is the first time on these forums I have responded angrily to - but I just cannot believe your comments. We dont have racism here in Australia, it is nearly unheard of, so to read something like this is truly shocking to me - it really is - I just dont understand and it is extremely upsetting to me.

I am terribly upset by this - for someone in this day and age to make that comment is unbelievable to me. Why oh why would a black homosexual woman president by so wrong - or anyone homosexual - why? What is the difference between anyone - we are all human - all of us made the same.

Ok I'm going to stop I am uspet and rambling now and near to tears....

I am not racist.

It is a fact.

The US is not ready for a black lesbian president.

you responded angrily because you bought into emotion...the same tatic Sharpton and Jackson are using..not facts...

you don't have racism in Austrialia? really..that is a new one for Me....

So what do you think about the genocide going on in the world?

Does that upset you?

Or will it take Spike Lee to say something beofre blacks demand a stop to what is happening instead of getting all worked over a few words...the motivation behind the words...to something that is very real and tragic

Can you tell Me just how many have dies recently?

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 5:28:28 AM

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I find it laughable that people get upset about concepts but allow genecide to continue because they are too f*cking lazy to get off their asses and do the right thing.

Or is it not politically correct enough for you yet?

Tell Me what you think of this:

Google Earth maps out Darfur atrocities
If you Google the word Darfur, you will find about 13 million references to the atrocities in the western Darfur region of Sudan -- what the United States has said is this century's first genocide.

The new initiative, called "Crisis in Darfur," enables Google Earth users to visualize the details in the region, including the destruction of villages and the location of displaced persons in refugee camps. (Interactive: See how the new technology works)

Now come back and tell Me just how racist I am.

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 5:30:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Do you want you children to be taught gay values in school before you have the chance or someone else has the chance to teach their family values at an appropriate time?

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I'd rather that my kids are taught that its a good idea to show respect to others if they want respect for themselves, and that it is deeds not status that determines a person's quality or lack thereof.

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 5:35:28 AM

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Of course we ought to be doing something about a lot of stuff in the world - Darfur, Myanmar (Burma), Zimbabwe etc

Not because we're awfully nice people or because the backing of some supernatural being supposedly gives us the job, but because we have obligated ourselves to do so through our proclamations over the last 60+ years that "this must never happen again".

What our apparent inactivity has to do with homosexual rights in the west I dont know. Unless the proposal is that homosexual rights (maybe women's rights and black rights too) are the reason we dont act?

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 5:57:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States?

I do not.

It goes against everything the Unted States and the Founding Fathers established and outlined in their writings.

Ross
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Dude... I'm not sure what's going on here, but you can't need attention this badly. I just read a whole string of posts about blow jobs, where you are trading personal insults with girls/women {In their domain}over nonsensical, stupid-ass stuff.

I seriously think you need to re-evaluate your intentions.

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:01:48 AM

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I can't believe anyone actually believes it would make a difference what the U.S. President's sexual orientation, or gender is. I don't care what it is.

I am not trying to be insulting (I really am not), but - you kinda sound like a crabby, rigid, really old man.

I am never quite sure what someone means when they say: "The U.S. "isn't ready" for....____________."

IMO, the U.S. wasn't altogether "ready", for example, for the:

1) Emancipation proclamation

2) Civil Rights movement of the 1960's

3) Female suffrage *(women getting the right to vote) - and also,

4) Gays being allowed to marry in some states.

5) Child labor laws

6) Ad infinitum.

These things have happened anyway. How IS a cause (especially in a civil rights sense, in particular) usually ever advanced except via "just doing it"?

There will always always be some who "aren't ready for _________" (pick something).

To me, this usually means people who say this, just aren't sure how it would work out, or they personally, don't want to see it happen.

To these overly hesitant voters, I say: Well, welcome to the nature of what is known as:

A) Making an educated guess, and

B) Taking a risk, on trying something new, that may just work out better than you ever dreamed, and surprise some folks.

For heaven's sake, open your mind - it's a big world out there, and WASP hetero males aren't the only ones in it. Plus, it is 2007, not 1907. Times change. You either keep up, and change with them, or become (or remain) perenially crabby and unhappy about the changes. They are happening, whether you like it, or not.
If you don't, then don't let them ruin your day, or your decade.

- Susan

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:26:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

It goes against everything the Unted States and the Founding Fathers established and outlined in their writings.

Care to provide examples? i've read a fair number of political texts from the American Revolution era, and i'm drawing a blank on this one.

Although it's obviously difficult to prove at this point, there are theories that Abraham Lincoln and James Buchanan were homosexual.

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:28:37 AM

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I think this thread must seriously be just some kind of joke. I don't buy it as a serious question. At all.

- Susan

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:32:39 AM

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Good grief, SirD69... it's too early for this kind of broohaha.

You're cut off from the coffee, buddy

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:32:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Of course we ought to be doing something about a lot of stuff in the world - Darfur, Myanmar (Burma), Zimbabwe etc

Ought to and doing are two different things

If "if" "ands" "or " "but"s

were candies and nuts

or what a party we would have

Not because we're awfully nice people or because the backing of some supernatural being supposedly gives us the job, but because we have obligated ourselves to do so through our proclamations over the last 60+ years that "this must never happen again".

Guess what it has been happeneing over the last 60 years....

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:34:12 AM

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I don't care what they do in their bedroom as long as they are not violating other people, killing, or screwing the public out of their rights, but are actually leading the nation into a better future and are not war mongers....hmmm...guess that means I am anti-republican....LOL

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:35:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Do you feel that a gay person should be the President of The United States?

I do not.

It goes against everything the Unted States and the Founding Fathers established and outlined in their writings.

Ross
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Dude... I'm not sure what's going on here, but you can't need attention this badly. I just read a whole string of posts about blow jobs, where you are trading personal insults with girls/women {In their domain}over nonsensical, stupid-ass stuff.

I seriously think you need to re-evaluate your intentions.

Dude...nobody of this century uses the word "dude" anymore..except maybe gramar schoolkids.

The attention needs to be drawn to injustices rather than peoples feelings how it might upset their perceptions

Have you read the links today or just jumping on what ever band wagon that comes by?

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:45:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I can't believe anyone actually believes it would make a difference what the U.S. President's sexual orientation, or gender is. I don't care what it is.

I am not trying to be insulting (I really am not), but - you kinda sound like a crabby, rigid, really old man.

Interesting how yopur perception changes when it is something you don't get you jollies off of relating to BDSM...anyway got news for you...there is more political unrest than you are ever aware of...

And as far as what I sound like...that is your perception now isn't it?

I am never quite sure what someone means when they say: "The U.S. "isn't ready" for....____________."

IMO, the U.S. wasn't altogether "ready", for example, for the:

1) Emancipation proclamation

That was a political motivated rather than a right thing to do concept.

2) Civil Rights movement of the 1960's

And tell Me how many of these former leaders are so sad in their today approach? How many of those that marched with King actually are worth their salt now?

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetuate it. "
Martin Luther King, Jr.

How many readers are guilty of this?

3) Female suffrage *(women getting the right to vote) - and also,

The were needed in the work force for war support which did not really materialize until WWII

4) Gays being allowed to marry in some states.

Well seems that is illegal and goes against many doctrines..nt just in this country but in many cultures as well

All of these things have happened anyway. How IS a cause (especially in a civil rights sense, in particular) usually ever advanced except via "just doing it"?

Ghandi also professed pacifism.. yet he was inconsistant in his teachings when refering to violence to be used

There will always always be some who "aren't ready for _________" (pick something).

To me, this usually means people who say this, just aren't sure how it would work out, or they personally, don't want to see it happen.

Or perhaps to evoke mindthough...

To these overly hesitant voters, I say: Well, welcome to the nature of what is known as:

A) Making an educated guess, and

B) Taking a risk, on trying something new, that may just work out better than you ever dreamed, and surprise some folks.

For heaven's sake, open your mind - it's a big world out there, and WASP hetero males aren't the only ones in it. Plus, it is 2007, not 1907. Times change. You either keep up, and change with them, or become (or remain) perenially crabby and unhappy about the changes. They are happening, whether you like it, or not.
If you don't, then don't let them ruin your day, or your decade.

That may all be true in principal but the bottom line is America is not ready for it.

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:46:40 AM

SirDiscipliner69

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I think this thread must seriously be just some kind of joke. I don't buy it as a serious question. At all.

No joke at all.

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:47:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: StellaByStarlite

Good grief, SirD69... it's too early for this kind of broohaha.

I am sorry. I will just tell the dying and families of the dead that it interupted your morning coffe with facts of reality.

Silly Me.

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RE: Do you feel that a gay person should be the Preside... - 4/11/2007 6:49:13 AM

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I'm really surprised that in this day in age, on this website, that anyone thinks that the quality of who's in charge of our country has anything to do with what that person likes to do in bed. You don't think that's the pot calling the kettle black?
-RC

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