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Jack45 -> Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/12/2007 9:16:50 PM)
In light of what has happened to Don Imus I thought it would be interesting to see what the LEADER OF A NATION said and what will be the consequences of that. Blair blames spate of murders on black culture quote: Tony Blair yesterday claimed the spate of knife and gun murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but a distinctive black culture. His remarks angered community leaders, who accused him of ignorance and failing to provide support for black-led efforts to tackle the problem.

minnetar -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/12/2007 9:23:41 PM)
Hasn't he read what is going on in the States with Imus and learned a lesson? minnetar

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/12/2007 10:52:20 PM)
How can there be gun violence in England? It is against the law to have guns there!!!

NorthernGent -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/12/2007 11:38:07 PM)
White lads have been stabbing each other in England for centuries. Must be black culture.

popeye1250 -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/12/2007 11:47:58 PM)
LOL, "The Reverand" Jesse Jackson and Fat Al must be packing their bags. I smell a shakedown. You know, if you're going after the I.R.A. you'd probably want to be looking for WHITE guys named Kevin, Liam and Sean. Who's doing the crimes over there?

NorthernGent -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 12:25:57 AM)
Probably the same as the people in the US - black, white, asian - generally from the poorest socio economic groups in society. Speaking of the IRA, they're finished as far as I'm aware. If they're still around, then their targets would be 8 years old kids like they murdered in Warrington. Those were in the days when IRA funds were supplied by US citizens - too busy suppyling funds for the terror to start a "war on terror", I suppose. Good job British citizens appreciated it was a small gang of criminals and nothing to do with the Irish in general eh. Otherwise, we may have sanctioned our Air Force to bomb Ireland "into the dark ages".

cyberdude611 -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 12:29:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar Hasn't he read what is going on in the States with Imus and learned a lesson? minnetar Maybe he sees what is happening to his country is what happened to America. Sometimes the truth hurts. The black gangster culture in America has lead to all sorts of crime and homicide. Who makes up the majority of the gang population in the US? Blacks and hispanics. And if you go to LA, you find out these gangs are now starting to rival each other. Hell, there was a gang shootout on a beach in Florida this past Easter Sunday with thousands of people running for cover. Of course the national media didn't cover it because a few of the gang members were illegal aliens. We can't say anything negative about them...

NorthernGent -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 12:44:32 AM)
By the way, there were 50 gun murders in England and Wales in 2006. Now, I know at least 2 of them were white kids shooting white kids because they happened 'round the corner from me. Let's say 10 are white kids, a conservative estimate. This means 40 members of the black community were murdered from a community of say, 1 to 2 million people at a rough guess. 40 people out of 1 to 2 million is not representative of black culture. How the fuck did we not realise that Blair is a conservative?

cyberdude611 -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 12:49:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent By the way, there were 50 gun murders in England and Wales in 2006. Now, I know at least 2 of them were white kids shooting white kids because they happened 'round the corner from me. Let's say 10 are white kids, a conservative estimate. This means 40 members of the black community were murdered from a community of say, 1 to 2 million people at a rough guess. 40 people out of 1 to 2 million is not representative of black culture. How the fuck did we not realise that Blair is a conservative? He said, "black gangster culture." Not specifically black culture.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 1:25:27 AM)
This "black on black" shooting has been going on for at least 10/15 years I understand its quite difficult to tell whether the shooter was black or white, thats why it has taken politicians so long to denounce the problem. That and PC thinking of course. At the same time the police in London have set up a task force called Operation Trident to deal with the non existent problem. At least NG admits that some crime occurs in Manchester, he is just colour blind in admitting who carries out the most shooting ....thats all. quote: NG Those were in the days when IRA funds were supplied by US citizens - too busy suppyling funds for the terror to start a "war on terror", I suppose. Nice one NG. Irrational but nice. See I do give credit where its due lol

LadyEllen -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 1:59:55 AM)
It is a problem of black culture, and Asian and white. It arises because we have a significant population of disconnected young men who have no chance of ever getting anywhere in life for all sorts of reasons that arise from their disconnect - yet they want all the things in life which general culture tells them they ought to have, like a fast car, monetary wealth, consumer goods, and respect which comes in the shape of a gun. Generally they have had no father figure, and possibly also no sufficient mothering, they lack any education apart from a PhD in the law of the streets, and they naturally gravitate into testosterone fuelled gangs where they have a chance for all that they want. The reason it appears to be a black cultural problem, is that the greater number of these young guys are black, and that obviously tilts the whole picture for the likes of a politician talking tough on crime who has no idea - simply no f'in idea - what real life is like for real people living in real situations in the real city outside the cabinet room. Knowing a little of how things are, its easy to see why these young guys are as they are, for really they have little other course of action open to them. Thats not an excuse for them either, by the way. Neither is it a suggestion that there must be some inherent flaw in black people which explains their situations; it is rather that they are most represented in the population that is entirely disconnected from society. It is to the reason for the disconnect to which we must look for any solution, and since this disconnect occurs in all ethnic and cultural groupings, it is something to do with society in general, rather than the culture of any single group. E

meatcleaver -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 4:09:07 AM)
Having worked in the probation service in some of the areas where much of the crime is happening, certainly part of the problem is with aepects of black working class culture, many black probation officers accept that. The culture is macho with doting mothers and girlfriends and absent fathers. Many scorn those amongst them who want to get educated. In a way, one can't blame them. As was pointed out to me in one discussion group by one black youth, many of the black brothers have better wheels than probation officiers so why waste time getting educated? It's difficult to argue with them when many of their role models appear to be more successul than those amongst them who do a honest day's work. As for carrying weapons, it was the de rigor when I worked in London amongst black youth, it appears that now they aren't just happy with the bravado of carrying weapons but feel they need to use them. I can say that black on black crime is significantly different in character than white on white, at least it was when I worjked in London. Something should have been done about it 20 years ago before it got to this stage but then the PC culture was in full bloom and one couldn't point out differences in the nature of crimes between one race or another. Mentioning the idea that certain crimes are more common in one racial group than another would have got you disciplined and probably fired, even though the records pointed out such facts in black and white.

DCWoody -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 9:57:56 AM)
This is the reply I gave on another forum on a thread about the same topic "stupid little black kids and stupid little white kids and in some cases stupid little asian kids listen to rappers like 50 cent when they're growing up. They think it's cool to have a group they belong to...a gang....a tribe....and because the black kids associate with 50 cent and snoop dogg they decide they want to be a part of that. It's about wanting to belong.....basic tribal grouping behaviour and the black gang culture glorified by the music industry is the group with the culture that most strongly appeals to peoples natural desire to have a tribe."

seeksfemslave -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 10:31:22 AM)
Major cities in Africa experience high levels of murderous activity. same with Jamaica 3/4 K miles away, same with New York another 1.5K miles North, same with Los Angeles another 3K miles West.. The same problem present over such wide areas points to a problem in their culture. NO ? Ooooooh can we really say that ? Are the thought police listening ? The problem is starkly revealed in the UK because of the obvious rise in such violence clearly visible as a new phenemon for all who have got eyes to see and the honesty to report. In America I believe all types shoot one another fairly regularly so the problem may get "lost in the noise "

NorthernGent -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 10:39:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent By the way, there were 50 gun murders in England and Wales in 2006. Now, I know at least 2 of them were white kids shooting white kids because they happened 'round the corner from me. Let's say 10 are white kids, a conservative estimate. This means 40 members of the black community were murdered from a community of say, 1 to 2 million people at a rough guess. 40 people out of 1 to 2 million is not representative of black culture. How the fuck did we not realise that Blair is a conservative? He said, "black gangster culture." Not specifically black culture. Not according to the quote in the OP.

popeye1250 -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 11:49:05 AM)
Whilst looking up information about Sweden I came across a few articles about the spiraling crime rate there due to "immigrants." Rapes, murders, drugs, trafficing in people etc. Rape is an accepted way of life in their countries. What is the reason for all that "immigration" in Europe? You guys didn't have enough crime there so you figured you'd import a bunch? I can understand having immigration from other European countries but why from muslim and African countries? You're just "asking" for trouble in my opinion. Perhaps you didn't have enough people on the Dole and you figured you'd import some layabouts? When I was in Dublin a few years ago I saw a bunch of immigrants from Africa standing about on the street corners. I was asking a Barman about it and he said; "well, they used to stand about on street corners in Africa but wearn't being paid but now they stand about on the street corners in Dublin and are being paid." Here's an idea, why don't you import a bunch of immigrants from Haiti where 1 out of 2 is infected with the Aids viris and you can pay them to spread Aids around in your countries by raping the natives! Who in government over there thought up all this "immigration" stuff? Whoever it was should be hanged.

NorthernGent -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 12:17:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Here's an idea, why don't you import a bunch of immigrants from Haiti where 1 out of 2 is infected with the Aids viris and you can pay them to spread Aids around in your countries by raping the natives! A bit of a rant ain't it, Popeye? No 1, aids in third world countries is primarily spread through blood transfusion rather than sex. Particularly Africa. No 2, I don't have a problem with any bloke wanting to come to England to earn a living. Providing they don't think they can go 'round the world and rape and pillage resources while killing and displacing civilians, then that'll do for me. Too much pointing the finger and not enough own house in order 'round these parts.

popeye1250 -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 12:30:36 PM)
Gent, not a rant just pragmatism. When I ask someone about what "good" comes of this they make some vague statement about "culture" or "multiculturalism" or "diversity." Yet, the Taxpayers get stuck with another bill. Who's running England at present? Do your Members of Parliment actually listen to The People there? And is this mess from the E.U. like someone snuck an immigration program in the thousands of pages of regulations? If I lived there I'd be at my M.P.'s office weekly and I'd get other people to do it too until they ended this madness. Denmark and Holland are cutting back on this "immigration." Gent, who came up with this nonsense? Do you have a name?

NorthernGent -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 12:33:54 PM)
Popeye, human migration is as old as the hills. In England, we've had every man and his dog come here - Poles, Russians, Germans, French you name it, and half of Ireland by the way. Nothing to write home about. Just as well some of us English are more charitable than you, otherwise half of Ireland wouldn't have had the chance to emigrate to earn a living. Aren't you of Irish descent, Popeye? At some point, your ancestors would have really appreciated being welcomed abroad. What goes around, comes around?

popeye1250 -> RE: Blair blames spate of murders on black culture (4/13/2007 12:56:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Popeye, human migration is as old as the hills. In England, we've had every man and his dog come here - Poles, Russians, Germans, French you name it, and half of Ireland by the way. Nothing to write home about. Just as well some of us English are more charitable than you, otherwise half of Ireland wouldn't have had the chance to emigrate to earn a living. Aren't you of Irish descent, Popeye? At some point, your ancestors would have really appreciated being welcomed abroad. What goes around, comes around? Gent, your going off on a tangent there. Sure, some immigration is actually good for a country but what is going on in Europe is obviously not good. In one of those articles I read about Sweden there was a picture (police photographer) of two women who were nearly beaten to death and raped by African immigrants. The pictures were, ...I can't descripe them. Also one of the new things that muslims do is to rob elderly people in cemeteries as they visit the graves of their loved ones. Christian cemetaries mean nothing to them. The article also stated that "crime by immigrants has skyrocketed in the last 10-15 years." I would think that all the news articles and crime rates would be proof that these immigration scemes from Africa and muslim countries just aren't working out the way they were "supposed" to. I guess you'll just have to wait until a M.P.'s daughter is raped or killed to get any changes. The problem with these types of "feel good" programs is that they are started by a small group of people with no care about what The People think but of course they want to involve everyone else in their grandiose schemes and have everyone else PAY for them. It's one thing to be liberal but it's quite another thing to be stupid.

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