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iwearpanties -> RE: cuckolding (4/21/2007 2:48:09 AM)

ive waited too see how this thread would go and if anyone would come forward about this subject if the ahd tried it..I  wonder how many or if any one has ever realy been cucked or been cucked  thur any trainning as a cuck .. i sreved a Mistress many yrs ago before she moved away .. she had me as a cuck too her and her as she called them Real Men  men that were not submissive but were ok to haveing a sub male around while they had there play time with this Mistress  some Males got into it very much seeing they too could order around this (me )  the submissive male  ive never been bi but i did want this Mistress pleased and happy  as i asid few male were got into this but then there are those who start too but as time and passino got heavyer the sub was dismissed .  i will say for the Males that did like a cukc around they sure did enjoy a Domming place of anther male espically some humiliations among other things.



iwearpanties -> RE: cuckolding (4/21/2007 2:52:24 AM)

i did want to ask ?  i saw some of the things post by MiLadyAngelique.   these training are very common in the cucking of males and so much more i think each Mistress adds what they feel there cuck can handle or she feels they need and she wants .... one thing i did wonder is there such a thing as a Hubby cuck his wife  there was on couple my Mistress did play with who ere into that side of cucking  is there a name for this or is cucking still used in this case



MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: cuckolding (4/21/2007 3:06:34 AM)

Having watched someone I love fucking someone else I can say from experience that it was very painful

The fantasy is great, but so are rape fantasies.  That never means a woman really wants to be raped (even if she finds the idea hot)

I believe that a Domme's primary responsibility is to leave the submissive a healthier person in mind, body and soul than she found him (isn't that the definition of love?)

Cuckoldry is almost always a male threesome fantasy foisted on the woman, so who is controlling who?  The cuck is in control but wants to shift responsibility in his own mind by making the woman "bad" (the nasty lady laughing at him, humilating him, cheating on him) and the lover an  uncaring faceless (but usually physically superior) male.  In this way, he can shift all blame for his homoerotic desire to them - the classic "she made me do it and I couldn't stop them" mental subterfuge

Leaving aside that kind of "cuck", a desire to be cuckolded tells me the cuck has a deep and painful issue around his self worth and value to his Mistress (usually about his penis size but obviously not always). 

Some people swear that acting out such fantasies (in a safe environment where the sub can yell "stop" at any point) is a great way to resolve these inner issues.  I think it is a great way to re-live your pain.  Perhaps by re-living it and re-living it finally you can be de-sensitised.  In this way, cuckoldry might help the submissive.  Its a big MIGHT for me. 

An interesting side issue to my mind is whether the cuck has been an unwilling victim of infidelity in the past and has sexualised the immensely painful experience.  Is consensual cockoldry a way of taking back his power?

I would rather address the reasons why the cuck feels unworthy of fidelity.  That would be more helpful to him as a human being, IMO



MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: cuckolding (4/21/2007 4:21:56 AM)

A long time ago a very wise pro-domme warned me "don't open doors you cannot close again"

I did not understand her at the time.  Doing the "wrong" think can be sexy!!  Its sexy because it is sooooo wrong!!!  Surely if adults all consent to a scene, who is to judge their kink?

Now I understand her

Cuckoldry is one of those doors I would not open until I get to the truth underlying the fantasy. 



brokenwing444 -> RE: cuckolding (4/21/2007 4:45:30 AM)

I am probably in the wrong convesration for this, but will ask anyway.
Does any one experienced a Dom, who has a pencheant for cuckolding and been doing it. I loved him but i was not able to deal with his desire, people can get hurt at both ends. What makes a man to want to cucold for example a married couple? The couple does not want tge new partner in the play, so what are the dynamics in the relationship? For me the possibilty became painful, it broke my wings.



SweetDommes -> RE: cuckolding (4/21/2007 5:07:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: knowshisplaceCT

since we are on the small penis topic...there seems to be a fair amout of interest in a couple of previous posts.....how do You Dommes feel about cuckolding if there is a real relationship and the sub has a tiny penis?


Not interested in cuckolding and don't care about size (there are always other options).



SweetDommes -> RE: cuckolding (4/21/2007 5:09:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Elorin

Cuckolding does not appeal to me simply because I'm not that promiscuous.
Cuckolding fantasies seem to demand that the Mistress be screwing around, going out to pick up men, and that the men are willing to be watched. Or they assume that the guy cums inside the Mistress to be licked clean.

I am poly, but not promiscuous. I am not interested in going out to pick up men. I'm not interested in letting anyone other than a committed partner cum inside me unless it's in a condom. I don't think many men really would feel comfortable coming home so another guy could watch him fuck me, especially if the guy watching wanted to suck him hard to start or suck him clean after.

I think cuckolding is a great fantasy. It would ~not~ work in my world, for me.

~E


Honestly, from your posts, I had assumed that you had a cuckolding-type relationship with your sub(s) ... you only have sex with your Master, you don't have sex with your subs.   You may not see it that way, but I would bet that I'm not the only one who would see your arrangement as being a cuckolding one for your submissive(s).



MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: cuckolding (4/21/2007 5:21:05 AM)

I am probably posting too much but I will answer

Your question has several parts

1  Why do some men sleep around?  Insecurity, curiosity, novelty, biological evolution to spread their genes, fun, ego-boost etc etc .  Only he knows why he needs to sleep around.  It is not anything wrong with you, OK?

There are men who want to be faithful if that is important to you, not because they have to, but because they want to.  Its called love. 

2  Why do some men want to cuckold?  Its a way of to make themselves feel "more powerful" than the cuck.  Power exchange is a great aphrodisiac.  Why would the wife participate?  Probably to hurt her husband on a deep level.  There's a lot of damaged and broken people in the world

3  Stick to your values.  If you want  a partner to be faithful, make that a strict limit and avoid Doms who feel the need to sleep around. 

You lost the cuckolding Dom but don't lose the lesson - you want fidelity and somewhere out there is a man who will love you so much, he only want to make love with you.  Look for someone who has those personal values around sex, love and fidelity that match your own

I will go out on a limb and hazard a guess that a man who identifies as a "submissive" is more likely than a "Dom" to treasure his woman and want to be faithful.  Some Doms who identify as "Daddys" also adore their women and tend to be One Woman Men.  Stick to your values and set high standards for yourself.

The faithful guy might not be as exciting and elusive(or possibly as skilled in bed) as your former Dom, but he will not deliberately break your wings.



needDomme -> RE: cuckolding (4/21/2007 11:20:25 PM)

I've had no experience as a cuck. Howwever, I fantasize about it all the time. It is the ultimate in humiliation and loyalty to one's Domme. This must be desired by the Domme or it holds no appeal. If anyone has any ideas about the "why" of this, I would really like to hear from you. Thanks.

need



MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 1:42:54 AM)

Male sexual perversion - what fun!!!

My guess without knowing you?

You feel (sexually) inadequate.  And you want your Domme to prove it to you by enjoying herself screwing someone else. 

But there's more.

You still want to be near her, right, not told afterwards "hey  I am screwing someone else and you are dumped".  You need to be with her, even though she is obviously a horrible, humilating person

In a lot of these submissive fantasies woven around the Bitch Goddess type Dominatrix, the male projects all (his) negative traits (selfish, cruel, faithless) on to the woman and chooses to see himself as the good person (loyal, docile, obedient, victimised). 

This suspension of disbelief doesn't work unless the Domme is really convincing in the role of Wicked Witch, right?  Hence such elaborate humilations in the fantasy such as fluffing and clean up

In your fantasy, the woman has to enjoy having you there watching and she has to enjoy belittling and humilating you, right?  That makes her "the bad person" and gives you permission to - deep down - feel sorry for yourself and really hate her, doesn't it?  In your fantasy you act like an adoring slave, but you know she is a complete  bitch and you could quite rightfully really hate that slut.  Everyone else would agree if you told them what she did.  Sure, let her humilate you all she likes: you are morally superior to her, aren't you? You are the good little boy and she is the Monster.

I am not a shrink, but do you get along well with your Mother?





lockedaway -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 1:59:04 AM)

i think cuckoldry can be down without destroying the relationship between the Domme and the sub.  Ultimately, the sub has to feel secure that he is the one that is truly loved by the Domme and not the other guy she is seeing.  If it is extremely clear that the other guy is a tool that can be dismissed if the relationship between the Domme and the sub starts to get complicated, then it could be a very hot way to train.  The fact is that most people are jealous and cuckoldry is a suspension of that jealousy for a greater return.  If the Domme starts manifesting that she is more into the "tool" than the sub, the sub will eventually walk. 



lockedaway -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 2:13:08 AM)

Geez....not "down"....done.  Cuckolding can be done without yadda yadda yadda.  i hate when i do that.



MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 3:21:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

i think cuckoldry can be done without destroying the relationship between the Domme and the sub.  Ultimately, the sub has to feel secure that he is the one that is truly loved by the Domme and not the other guy she is seeing.  
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Sure, but if the Domme has to give up her hot new toyboy for the weakling cuck, who is controlling who?

Remember the cuck really wanted the Domme to "be into it".....so why should he then have a power of veto if she really prefers the new guy?

Never under-estimate the power of a new D/s relationship and/or great sex to shatter an existing relationship.  Some fantasies are much more fun to plan and talk about than really do.

I have cuckolded slaves in the sense that they were non-sexual and they knew I had a male partner (living elsewhere) who always took priority over them.  I never slept with two men at once or let a slave watch (no thanks!). 

Did it make the slaves happy?  Not at all.  IME it is every live in slave's fantasy that his loving devotion will eventually one day win over his Mistress' cold heart.  Men who identify as subs and slaves are hopelessly romantic.....:)



iwearpanties -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 3:56:01 AM)

Ms C   you have brouight up man great points here. but i do and will agree  the cucking is like a fantsay many males have now if there all sub males i dont know.....say your not married and your Mistress dose other men infornt of you .. dose she knowing like too make you feel useless and degraded . and i do know what you talking about when you say small penis i have seen and heard many say that why they are cucks but makes you wonder just how many are truely that timy..why not humiliate him wosre and make him wear a strap on if his penis is so small ???/  also anther thing i seen with this is forecd femming of the male atleast while the Mistress / wife dose anther infornt of the so call cuck?



Elorin -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 5:12:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes
Honestly, from your posts, I had assumed that you had a cuckolding-type relationship with your sub(s) ... you only have sex with your Master, you don't have sex with your subs.   You may not see it that way, but I would bet that I'm not the only one who would see your arrangement as being a cuckolding one for your submissive(s).

I can see your point of view.
I have generally thought of cuckolding having the cuck as the primary relationship, the provider, the life partner and others are lovers and not much more. As the definition previously posted, the cuck is the husband.
I have also thought of cuckolding as having a focus on telling the one I'm not sleeping with all about my sexual adventures and emphasizing the point that they do not have sex with me. I don't expose my subs to my sexual relationship with M or ask them to witness it; I don't discuss it with them though I may share a detail in the course of a story; the intentional humiliation that is common to cuckolding fetishes is not present in my relationships with my subs.

In those regards, I don't do cuckolding.

But in the respect that my male subs are not sexual partners, are not allowed to even try to provide that satisfaction; in the respect that I have a regular sexual partner who does fill that need - I can understand that being considered a form of cuckolding.

I just never thought of it that way because my subs have not been primary partners or providers and I don't talk about my sex life with M with them.
~E

~E



lockedaway -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 1:31:44 PM)

"Sure, but if the Domme has to give up her hot new toyboy for the weakling cuck, who is controlling who?

Remember the cuck really wanted the Domme to "be into it".....so why should he then have a power of veto if she really prefers the new guy?

Never under-estimate the power of a new D/s relationship and/or great sex to shatter an existing relationship.  Some fantasies are much more fun to plan and talk about than really do."

That is exactly my point.  If the relationship between the Domme and the sub isn't sacrosanct then the sub is going to leave.  If the Domme falls for the "tool" then, obviously, the relationship between the Domme and the sub wasn't that strong to begin with.  I was with a girl that was my Domme and was extremely into other girls.  She enjoyed threesomes and wanted me to be involved but was worried that I would get attached to one of the girls.  I assured her that I would NEVER get attached to one of the girls and that I had much better control over my emotions than that.  I was true to my word and my relationship with my Domme remained my paramount concern.  If the Domme can do that with the toy and simply use the toy to further enslave her sub then she should do it and enjoy it. [:D]



LadyPact -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 6:27:38 PM)

I am not experienced in cuckolding, as I have not found it to be especially pleasant from My point of view, so I'm just posting some random thoughts.
 
I don't see how size would have a particular barring on the activity.  Isn't the whole point the humiliation factor?  As in all levels of activities, wouldn't this be something that would have to be gradually introduced?  Humiliation can be a very narrow bridge with the abyss below on either side.  Not especially sure it would be something that could be introduced full force.  I think there would have to be a lot of preliminary talks.



lockedaway -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 8:17:17 PM)

Penis size doesn't have to be a factor at all.  In fact penis size can be left entirely out of the equation.  If the Domme, from the outset, makes it known that she cannot be satisfied by one man or that a submissive man that serves her is not allowed to have the ability to penetrate her then those two reasons can be the premise for cuckolding your male submissive.  By the same token, the Domme could demand chastity and cuckolding as a form of servitude from the outset and that has nothing to do with penis size. 

The only point I having been trying to stress is that if a Dom/me does not have their emotions well guarded, His/Her relationship with the sub is going to be jeopardized, maybe destroyed.  The Dom/me may also find themselves in an unfortunate situation as well.  If they are careless and destroy a good relationship with their submissive because they became attracted to the new and different "toy" and the relationship with the toy ends as well, where does that lead the Dom/me? 

Cuckolding can be a powerful form of enslavement or an extremely fast way to end what was a decent relationship. 



needDomme -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 9:22:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

Male sexual perversion - what fun!!!

My guess without knowing you?

You feel (sexually) inadequate.  And you want your Domme to prove it to you by enjoying herself screwing someone else. 

But there's more.

You still want to be near her, right, not told afterwards "hey  I am screwing someone else and you are dumped".  You need to be with her, even though she is obviously a horrible, humilating person

In a lot of these submissive fantasies woven around the Bitch Goddess type Dominatrix, the male projects all (his) negative traits (selfish, cruel, faithless) on to the woman and chooses to see himself as the good person (loyal, docile, obedient, victimised). 

This suspension of disbelief doesn't work unless the Domme is really convincing in the role of Wicked Witch, right?  Hence such elaborate humilations in the fantasy such as fluffing and clean up

In your fantasy, the woman has to enjoy having you there watching and she has to enjoy belittling and humilating you, right?  That makes her "the bad person" and gives you permission to - deep down - feel sorry for yourself and really hate her, doesn't it?  In your fantasy you act like an adoring slave, but you know she is a complete  bitch and you could quite rightfully really hate that slut.  Everyone else would agree if you told them what she did.  Sure, let her humilate you all she likes: you are morally superior to her, aren't you? You are the good little boy and she is the Monster.

I am not a shrink, but do you get along well with your Mother?
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Hi Ms C,

I agree with quite a bit of what you've said. I do feel sexually inadequate and also am somewhat small. However, I would never think of my Mistress as evil. Rather, suffering humiliation of any kind in order to pleasure her would be the ultimate gift to her, and reward for me. There would be no point to it if she did not derive pleasure from it. Yes, I am an adoring slave, but would never think of her as a monster and would never complain to others. It would be heaven for me.

My mother is deceased, but it was a bit of a love hate relationship. She did have a habit of making me strip and kneel in front of her when she whipped me. We got along much better when I became an adult.

Thank you so very much for sharing your thoughts. I look forward to hearing more.

need



needDomme -> RE: cuckolding (4/22/2007 11:25:21 PM)

Hi Ms C,

I agree with quite a bit of what you've said. I do feel sexually inadequate and also am somewhat small. However, I would never think of my Mistress as evil. Rather, suffering humiliation of any kind in order to pleasure her would be the ultimate gift to her, and reward for me. There would be no point to it if she did not derive pleasure from it. Yes, I am an adoring slave, but would never think of her as a monster and would never complain to others. It would be heaven for me.

My mother is deceased, but it was a bit of a love hate relationship. She did have a habit of making me strip and kneel in front of her when she whipped me. We got along much better when I became an adult.

Thank you so very much for sharing your thoughts. I look forward to hearing more.

need



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