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Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 12:28:38 PM   
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Their have been many topics on this. But i was surfing and came across a reputable website  that discussed global warming( oh no another global warming thread!) I was reading a list of comments left by  readers and i was surpised at the lack of knowledge people have.

This is basic 8th grade natural science( here in america). And they lack a total understanding of anything. And on top of that, they actually think they are right in their profound ignorance.

Some of the comments ive seen are as follows:
1) when water evaporates it goes into space( someone want to tell me where a cloud comes from then?)
2) who cares if the ice caps melt, We can then access the untapped resources they are covering.( hmm lets  see when ice melts in my cooler it tends to FLOOD it)
3) we have had ice ages before and they ended the ice melted and we were fine. We are just coming out of one( true....at a very fast  unnatural rate)

I remind you these are from adults. and these are only a few examples.

I am by no means a scientist, but i do understand science to a degree. i learned about the earths ecosystem in 8th grade( it was a memorable year for me).

I think people are so wrapped up in themselves they dont care or worry about their enviroment or that its falling apart. Now im not a big   save the enviroment do gooder.

But im also realistic.

Here are some things i know:
1) In space just outside the earths atmosphere the tempature variance from sun to shade ( not day to night, sun to shade) is over 400 degrees difference.  This is because  of the vacuum. Its not hard to heat a vacuum or cool it quickly( this is the same as it takes longer to heat water than air because water is more dense)
2) the atmosphere has a protective layer, we call the ozone.  This has gas in it, o3 i believe, that acts as a smokescreen ( or sunglasses if you will) for the suns rays. This is why the sky is blue( which i have noticed the last couple of years isnt as blue as when i was a kid.)
3) This ozone allows their to be fairly stable climates.  What causes the ice ages is the distance the earth is from the sun. The earth dont always travel in a perfect circle around the sun especially over a long period of time. 1000 years ago we orbited at a different distance from the sun than we do now. This cause the intensity of the sun to be less or more thus making it warmer or cooler.
4)The ozone acts as a "buffer" for this change helping to absorb some of the differences.
5) IF you strip the ozone layer away, you will instantly become a well done human steak in direct sunlight. this is not dramatizing. The ozone keeps the several hundred degree tempatures that happen outside the atmosphere from happening inside it.
6) now a little about chemistry. o3 is not all that stable of a gas. CO2( carbon dioxide) is a stable  gas and the one exhaled. It does not affect o3 when they come in contact. however CO(carbon monoxide) is not a stable gas. The O wants to combine with another O to become stable. When CO comes in contact with O3 the CO pulls an O from O3 to become stable. The result is CO2 and O2  or carbon dioxide and oxygen. And the bad result 1 less O3 atom.
7) The ecosystem naturally replaces the O3 at a slow rate.( just like oil is naturally made in the ground)
8) we put CO in the air  in large amounts. This combines  as in #6 and takes away from the O3 .This is called "depleting the ozone"
9)  this has been going on since the industrial age began. We are losing ozone faster than it can repair itself.
10) less ozone means you go from spf 150 to spf 50 spf 30 spf 2  etc. More harmful sun  rays enter the atmosphere warming it up faster and hotter.
11) this is called global warming.
12) global warming affects ecosystems, mainly the oceans  of which cover 70% of the earths surface.
13) a 2 degree change in the ocean tempature causes severe changes in weather. It allows more ice to melt further north, it causes more severe storms.
14) If you live in the same place  you did 15-20 years ago think back to your seasons then. Now look at them. Ive lived in the same area for 20 years i see a definate change even in the last 10 years.

This is all pretty common sense. I learned all this in school 10 years ago.

So my questions is are people that uneducated they have no understanding of this?
OR do they just not give a shit cause they will be dead in 40-50-70 years?

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 12:39:32 PM   
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Yes, unfortunately they are. Sad isn't it?

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 12:42:01 PM   
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yes people are. I've even come across a person who didn't know that fire and gasoline was a bad mix. 

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 12:43:40 PM   
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appearing uneduacated can take many forms ... whether from 8th grade science knowledge to a 3rd grade grammar error of something like their vs. there ... no one's perfect ... we all lack some knowledge here and there ~_^ 

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 12:47:24 PM   
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quote:

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yes people are. I've even come across a person who didn't know that fire and gasoline was a bad mix. 


Really? Thats just sad. Though for  fire and gasoline to be "explosive" the mixture has to be 15 parts  gas( any kind) to 85 parts oxygen.  anything above or below this and it will not explode but will burn in liquid form if the flame is hot enough. Learned that from a fireman:P

Explains why my brother use to smoke and change "in tank" fuel pumps in cars and is still alive lol

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 12:47:55 PM   
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in a way. I dont care what happens after im dead.

many folks are wrapped up in how are they going to make the house payment.

i cancelled cable.

im tired of crappy tv, and no longer will pay $2 a day for such.

it became an intrusion into my home. so the heck with it. gone. at least for the summer- maybe longer.

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 12:52:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BabyNyla

appearing uneduacated can take many forms ... whether from 8th grade science knowledge to a 3rd grade grammar error of something like their vs. there ... no one's perfect ... we all lack some knowledge here and there ~_^ 


True but its not ususally the grammar that  affects if your  grandkids end up wearing protective reflective suits on a 120 degree day..... in canada. Also people dont use  good grammar alot of times because of laziness( me)  of typing. However my bad grammar didnt make the tempature here in the plains go from near 80 one day to a high of 40  24 hours later.

And that "big april freeze" affects alot more then me forgetting a period.

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 12:53:18 PM   
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     There is a lot more to it than education, Trainer.  Plenty of voices within the Global-Warming hystericals are perfectly willing to play on that same ignorance and spout BS of their own.  You do it yourself with the statement that we are coming out of an ice age at an unnatural rate.  This is the first time we have actually observed the phenomenon, we don't know jack about what anything means.

     Are you old enough to have first-hand recollection of the dire 'global cooling' scare 30 odd years ago?  It was going to be mile thick glaciers all the way to Georgia and we were all doomed.

    Then you have the political agenda that seems to be driving the movement.  A political movement that tries very hard to intimidate and silence any voice of dissent or question. 

    Perhaps you should move from 8th grade science to a bit of geology and get a real grasp on how just how much the surface of this planet has shifted and changed over the last 4 billion years, long before the SUV and power generation.

     Is something going on with the climate?  Maybe.  Do we have anything to do with it?  It's concievable.  Will I be lectured on my lifestyle by people who declare themselves the keepers of perfect knowledge?  Oh HELL no.

    

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 1:10:36 PM   
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quote:

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  There is a lot more to it than education, Trainer.  Plenty of voices within the Global-Warming hystericals are perfectly willing to play on that same ignorance and spout BS of their own.  You do it yourself with the statement that we are coming out of an ice age at an unnatural rate.  This is the first time we have actually observed the phenomenon, we don't know jack about what anything means.

  Are you old enough to have first-hand recollection of the dire 'global cooling' scare 30 odd years ago?  It was going to be mile thick glaciers all the way to Georgia and we were all doomed.

 Then you have the political agenda that seems to be driving the movement.  A political movement that tries very hard to intimidate and silence any voice of dissent or question. 

Perhaps you should move from 8th grade science to a bit of geology and get a real grasp on how just how much the surface of this planet has shifted and changed over the last 4 billion years, long before the SUV and power generation.

  Is something going on with the climate?  Maybe.  Do we have anything to do with it?  It's concievable.  Will I be lectured on my lifestyle by people who declare themselves the keepers of perfect knowledge?  Oh HELL no.

 


The ice age was mentioned as a thought, in case it came up as "explaination". it takes  thousands of years to go in and out of one. And we are either going one way or the other at any time. The earth either moves closer or further from the sun. Its not always the same distance.

Im a history buff. Your talking changes that span over 4 billion years. If you look at history in that perspective a 20,000 year ice age  is a day in the life of earth. Your comparing apples and oranges. Their were no cars, factories, chain smokers( me)  4 billion years ago. The climate didnt change  a noticable amount in a short period ( 100 years)

What i did was take simple 8th grade science and  linked that knowledge all togather into one grouping. I learned the eco system in 8th grade science. and  how weather is produced later in the same  class.  I learned chemistry in high school. I learned   what produces carbon monoxide from various sources. I learned about space with my own interest in astrology.

I took this knowledge combined it all togather and came up with, on my own  what i stated above. This has nothing to do with the scienctist of the world  or the political agendas. And i hate it when people are so narrow minded to act as sheep or to say your not pulling the wool over my eyes.

My conclusion, just happens to support scientist. Its really not that complicated. Burning fossil fuels releases CO that rises and combines with O3  which  depletes the O3 available.  4 million years ago their werent cars and cave man bob wasnt dumping large amount of CO into the atmosphere. So all that is irrelevant.

The reason i care? I have a 4 month old daughter and i dont want her generation fixing ( or trying to) the ignorance and stubborness of my generation. Like any problem the longer you let it go, the harder it is to fix.

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 1:31:19 PM   
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The last great period of global warming produced the Renaissance.  500 years before that, Norse Vikings found Greenland, very....Green. Global warming will no doubt raise food and crop yields all over the planet and give billions of people a better life. Bring it on.

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 1:33:37 PM   
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     Actually, Trainer, I said 4 Billion years, another whole set of zeros.  Thanks for stating a reason for your concern (ie, the ___).  They are powerful motivators, aren't they?

     Yes, we are putting out a lot of gases and pollution.  We've seen the results of some it, forests lost to 'acid rain' for instance.  Yet volcanoes can put more crap into the air in a day than we could in a generation, it's been happening for Billions of years and we've wound up with a very habitable sort of environment somehow.

    Check out the 'credibility' thread.  I've heard 'wolf' cried too many times. 

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 1:53:29 PM   
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ST i didnt even have to read the OP and i can answer a difinitive yes they truly are, welcome to the friuts of government funded schools.

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 2:00:42 PM   
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lemme ask this. we also "addressed acid rain"- a later administation gutted those laws. So as it rains, we can look forward to paint fading on cars faster- damage to everything.

but money is s0 important to big corporations, that quality of life issues are shoved aside- or gutted. even to the point where legilation is wrongly named [does the very opisite the name denotes]

so a snapshot of our dis-arming meaning acid rain regs, anything to do with global warming will be window dressing, nothing more.

see?

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 2:08:42 PM   
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Both a possible explanations.  Another is that the sheer
size, scope and seriousness of the problem is not something
they want to think about, denial is easier.

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So my questions is are people that uneducated they have no understanding of this?
OR do they just not give a shit cause they will be dead in 40-50-70 years?


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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 2:51:42 PM   
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I took many of the architects of the most recent culmination of the site we wanted to build...and I encouraged them to find new ways to make a statement....to challenge everything they'd ever previously believed in.

(Then I made them paint it red).

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 3:47:18 PM   
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I believe its a fact that scientists dont know whether
Increases in CO2 raises temperature
or
Increases in temperature cause more CO2.

Thats what I heard on the grapevine.

Current phase of global warming started 10 000 years ago at the end of the last Ice Age. Heard that on the grapevine too.

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 3:56:59 PM   
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This is tha gooderest post ever and I dun'wanna see no funner'n around neither!

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 5:45:14 PM   
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What i did was take simple 8th grade science and  linked that knowledge all togather into one grouping. I learned the eco system in 8th grade science. and  how weather is produced later in the same  class.  I learned chemistry in high school. I learned   what produces carbon monoxide from various sources. I learned about space with my own interest in astrology.

I took this knowledge combined it all togather and came up with, on my own  what i stated above. This has nothing to do with the scienctist of the world  or the political agendas. And i hate it when people are so narrow minded to act as sheep or to say your not pulling the wool over my eyes.

My conclusion, just happens to support scientist. Its really not that complicated. Burning fossil fuels releases CO that rises and combines with O3  which  depletes the O3 available.  4 million years ago their werent cars and cave man bob wasnt dumping large amount of CO into the atmosphere. So all that is irrelevant.

The reason i care? I have a 4 month old daughter and i dont want her generation fixing ( or trying to) the ignorance and stubborness of my generation. Like any problem the longer you let it go, the harder it is to fix.

Editted for minor but critical spelling errors


So this is your conclusion...and you think this happens to also support what the scientist think.  Well, either way, is just means that your "theory" fits their "theory".  It is still a theory.  How can you can say this is your conclusion and even state how you arrived at your belief, and then entitle the thread "Are people really that uneducated?"  Do you have some sort of a lock on research?
Well, here's a little more education for you.  I am sure you have an open mind and want to learn everything you can regarding this topic.  Please read:
 
http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote04.html 

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 6:05:54 PM   
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I am far from learned on these matters, but was curious as to what we should do about the carbon monoxide and methane that are naturally spewed into the atmosphere by such things as volcanos and cows?  These sources account for much more of those compounds being produced and put into the "ozone" layer than human sources.

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RE: Are people really that uneducated? - 4/15/2007 6:47:44 PM   
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yes people are. I've even come across a person who didn't know that fire and gasoline was a bad mix. 


One of the Darwin Awards was given to a gas company employee who went in with his co-worker into a warehouse that smelled of gas.  When their flashlight went out inside of it, this brainiac pulled out a bic lighter and flicked it.

The found pieces of the warehouse over a mile away.

What is frightening is when you have an educated person who is a complete tool.

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