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Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 5:23:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		In many ways I see ageplay as somewhat of a "switch" lifestyle. As much as a lil one strives to make the one they look up to proud they also have the ability to cutsey their way out of trouble now and again as well as custey their way to favourable outcomes.

It is the the nature of many "lil ones" to strive to almost "top from the bottom" because that is what lil ones do! They twist and turn senarios until they are favourable for them.... Sometimes getting caught, sometimes thinking "Oh yeah! I got away with it!" even with something not very bad.

I do not speak of the ageplay roleplay game, but the lifestyle. To me, the lifestyle has nothing to do with what a person wears, how they talk, or how they "respect elders" but how a person views the world. I call it "seeing through fresh eyes"...... Granted cutesy talk, and clothing can do a great deal by adding a bit to the physical realities of a situation, but they are by no means "what it means to ageplay".

I often get emails from people who do not understand ageplay. They say "So you want to be treated like a kid, be told what to do and punished, right?" (Often with poorer spellings!) I say NO. The truth is, yes, sometimes, but if I were to say yes they still wouldn't "get" it. I believe it is better for someone to grasp at least that they do not get it than to go on through life thinking "hey, I tried that once!" when all they truly did was play something of a roleplay game.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 5:44:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		What is your definition of age-play? I am not being disrespectful, just wanting to clarify.  

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 5:56:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me ageplay is when a person feels a different age than they are and live as though they were that age. This can be living older or younger, but most people live younger. For example: I am a lil girl in heart and soul. I see the world through the eyes of a lil girl, and strive to live as one, through curiosity, learning, and sweetness. To me ageplay is the acknowledgement of magick and beauty in this world through "experiencing it for the first time" again. I have a saying: Ageplay can be as simple as playing a game of cards and being excited about winning, or as complex as wearing cute clothes and living fully as a lil one. The key difference for me between ageplay and roleplay is that it isn't a choice for a true ageplayer. They slip into this so easily, naturally, though anyone and everyone must be "an adult" sometimes. Some people, however, get lucky and don't need to "slip back to adulthood reality"....... I hope this answers your question :) - I also have something else I may post a lil later which may explain a bit better as well!

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 5:58:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for the response. I am asking because I am not all that familiar with age-play, but kind of interested in it, and even intrigued. So I am probably going to be mostly just reading this thread, but am very glad you posted it.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 6:04:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Susan,

Well I'm glad you asked and that I could answer a bit.... Hopefully this thread can help you out more as it grows, if it grows.  If you have any other questions please feel free to ask, and I'll do my best to answer, at least, obviously, from my own point of view....

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 6:06:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think, tulipgoose, that I agree with you somewhat.

I think many "roles" and many fetishes and activites do not allign with specific scene roles or dynamics.

What exactly makes a shoe fetishist a bottom or submissive?

What exactly makes someone who wants to pretend they are a child submissive?

Take me and mine for an example. I can role play as a child but when I do I am the spoiled, pampered, princess whose "daddy" gives here everything she wants, exactly as she wants or he suffers.

I could love to see my slave in 4 inches locked on heels, I could love to kiss them and caress them, and she wears then at my command.

Its the same why that someone could bottom for sexual intercourse or a flogging and yet be the one in charge, the one who is dominant.

I often feel sad when I see someone with a fetish who tries to protray themselves as a sub but finds they just can't find a partner because they are too demanding about what they want and how they want it. I think they might do better to try and get that fetish fulfilled from the top or dom role.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 6:14:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		tulipgoose: Thanks. I am pretty sure this thread will survive. There are more than a few age-players around here, IMO.

As for myself, if I did it, it would be in a little girl role at the age of about 8, I think. Not necessarily clothing, but a lot of giggly and excited behavior, mostly "oohs and Aahs" over getting to do things like go to the Zoo, and museuams, and McDonald's - and also - 

Someone adult teaching me stuff I wanted to learn (like how to install dry-wall,  which I currently have to do to part of my house (or someone does anyway) but as a girl, that wasn't considered "girly territory". Ditto for using tools. 

I know this last part sounds weird, but my dad knew all about that kind of stuff, and he did it, too, he just didn't "pass it on" (not his fault, he just never thought about it, having had three daughters, and no sons, I guess). 

Wow, I didn't think of that tammyjo. What you said makes a load of sense to me.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 6:25:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't act cutesy or expect to get away with things. What I get from age play is a sense of being unsure and having someone to look up to who will guide me through the things I am uncomfortable with. I don't like to screw up in life, never have, and having a presumably older and smarter male lead me through something makes me more secure.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 7:09:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

I don't act cutesy or expect to get away with things. What I get from age play is a sense of being unsure and having someone to look up to who will guide me through the things I am uncomfortable with. I don't like to screw up in life, never have, and having a presumably older and smarter male lead me through something makes me more secure.


Celeste thanks for posting this, I'm in agreement with your words and you said just what I would have so now I need'nt
To the OP, I don't understand your use of the word 'switch' in regards to ageplay... don't we all have to 'switch' roles on occasion? When I pay my bills or other mundane grownup stuff I must slide into being adult. When working I have to abide by the employers rules and setting so again there is an adjustment to be made.
That is why I am a bit confused over you using that term... we all have to change hats on occasion if we interact with the world.


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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 7:30:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think everyone who practices or lives ageplay is manipulative and bratty, really. Sometimes, being bratty is called for in a scene, but I know I wouldn't get away with manipulating my Daddy or, as you said, "cutsey-ing my way out of it" nor would doing those things get me what I want/need/etc.

I'm sure this is different for everyone... just like being a master, dominant, slave, or submissive might be.


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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 7:42:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tulipgoose
In many ways I see ageplay as somewhat of a "switch" lifestyle. As much as a lil one strives to make the one they look up to proud they also have the ability to cutsey their way out of trouble now and again as well as custey their way to favourable outcomes.

Some do and some don't.  Trust me, with my former master, no matter how cute of a sweet little girl I was, if I'd tried to use that to manipulate him to get what I wanted, I'd have had a serious lesson in just how ineffective and disapproving it was.

While my current partner and I play around a lot and I tease him about my cuteness getting me "out of trouble"- the reality is that there isn't any trouble to get out of to start with so we can enjoy that all day long.  If there ever is actual trouble, trust me, no cuteness in the world would save me.
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It is the the nature of many "lil ones" to strive to almost "top from the bottom" because that is what lil ones do! They twist and turn senarios until they are favourable for them.... Sometimes getting caught, sometimes thinking "Oh yeah! I got away with it!" even with something not very bad.

Some do, but I have a problem with those as do many other "littles."  We're not being young as an excuse to misbehave or get away with things, unfortunately many choose to do so.  Hoewever, those people are often shunned by the overall littles group- we want to play and have fun, not get put in the corner!!

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Anyway: Questions? Comments? Conversation?

Don't worry about what people do to justify their bad behavior.  There's no higher instance of allowing a sub to misbehave in age play situations as there is in any others- subs will always find excuses and doms will always let it go.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 8:19:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

I don't act cutesy or expect to get away with things. What I get from age play is a sense of being unsure and having someone to look up to who will guide me through the things I am uncomfortable with. I don't like to screw up in life, never have, and having a presumably older and smarter male lead me through something makes me more secure.

Celeste, I couldn't have described it better.  Many of my views on age play stem from a need for guidance and teaching.  I'm curious and playful by nature, and always will be.  I enjoy being with a Daddy who is somewhat curious and playful too, but knows when it's time to be serious and "reign me in" so to speak.  I truly appreciate someone who loves to learn and pass on their knowledge.  Someone like this helps me grow as a person, see things in different ways, and encourages me to experience things I wouldn't have before.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 8:43:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have known people that "allowed" their little girls to get away with things simply becasue they could not resist their sweet little face and their pouty lips lol When it became a frequent way for her to get her way or to get out of trouble he shut down his weakness for her sweetness and she no longer got away with anything lol I think it all depends on the person that is allowing or not allowing it to happen. A little girl can try you all she wants, if you let them get away with it then it is on you lol Hey some may really want her to get away with it and then so be it, that is their thing lol

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 9:24:42 AM   
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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 9:35:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I very much feel younger than I am.  I don't think I act bratty though, I am playful, a bit shy, I love to play with dolls and things of that nature, and I love having my M take care of me in a daddy sort of way.  I still take care of making sure the bills and all of that are taken care of, but at times I find myself going off into my more childlike state.  I am not putting on a role when that happens, I just sometimes naturally feel younger, or more innocent..I have no idea why this is.  I don't know when it's going to happen, it just does.

My M is not much for the daddy role.  He is very loving, but he isn't daddyish with me (made up word, but it works).  I just don't think it's in his personlity to be that way. 

Sir, he is more of the daddy type in my eyes.  It's not that he is better than M in any way, they just have different ways of doing things.  One isn't wrong, nor one right...it just helps me to satisfy all parts of myself, without trying to make M into something he isn't.

I have no idea if this goes back to something from childhood for me or not.  My father was never very daddy like, and I had some things happen when I was younger.  I have heard that it can be caused by that, but I know that it's not true in every case.

I just let myself go when I feel like it (if at all possible), then I might not feel that way for days or weeks again.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 10:16:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don’t really see age players as being switch either. There’s a huge difference when someone tries to manipulate than when someone tries to dominate and although I know that whilst children can be very domineering at times, they just never win and so neither should the age player! Therefore the ageplayer continues to remain the child with the adult keeping supervision over them.

Age play was an interesting part of a psychology course that I took. They say that we all have a certain amount of our childhood still within us. It’s a place of safety, no responsibility and unconditional love. As we get older we have to work so much harder to receive praise and to make someone proud as we did our parents. Suddenly we have all these responsibilities and we are out on our own so to speak.
Even the most fearful of dominants will at some point sleep in the foetal position because it’s a place we all need to go from time to time.

My man is all dominant and yet he sometimes needs and enjoys nurturing and I enjoy giving him that mother that he sometimes needs. He in turn will farther me when he feels I need it. Its an unspoken thing and neither of us act a part. We just are and just need and just know.

I think its incredibly deep emotionally. Its an inner soul thing that drives so deep into a relationship that it creates an unbreakable and secret  bond but sadly  so many people reject or deny this emotion without giving it a passing thought.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 10:48:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since I do enjoy both dominant and submissive experiences in life, I do sometimes label myself a switch. This is a bit misleading as it is very rare that I ever switch with the same person. I know age play can easily be a form of switching for others, but it is not for me.

Age play is just another form of role play to me. Some people need it a lot & center their lives on things like this, others can take it or leave it and usually do it because a partner likes it.

I have often played the "older" role as the person in charge for a submissive who craves this. I can enjoy this or merely tolerate it, depnding upon the scene played and the ages portrayed. Very little ones do NOT tickle my fancy at all, so if the partner feels very young, it will be cherishing, nuturing, cuddling, reading to them or feeding them, not anything sexual.

I have been the "little" a number of times for dommes who REALLY loved the Mommy role, which was OK because it pleased some so much that anything she did would be OK for me. One also loved combining age and gender play to have her male sub be her little girl or her young woman to teach. The joy of the dominant made whatever she wanted right. But if the domme was not getting very hot and happy with this play, the play did not do much for me.

I was brought into BD/SM very young by a group of much older girls, who played with me over a number of years while babysitting me. They were minors too but very much older than I. That was maybe too "real" of an age play, for at the time I was usually scared. However there was an addictive excitement too.  All the things they did to and with me would be exciting thoughts to me as an adult, but this ended quite some time before puberty when we moved to a new house in a different city, so at the time many of the acts and reactions did not bring the adult excitement with them. It was confusing but very interesting to me then.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 11:17:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm confused as to why one would view regression as switching.

It's hard to top from the bottom from a position of innocence-it's not yet known as such.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 11:36:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		my Dom and i are into ageplay. i have just started getting into it and i'm really enjoying it. The thing is, my Dom is less interested in in than i am so He is allowing me to control the pace and how far i want to go with it. He knows that i am having a hard time accepting the fact that i like to be an AB so He isn't pushing it. He doesn't really care how far it goes anyway. Sometimes it feels strange to be the one "in control" of this situation. The thing is, He has the final decision. If i ask Him if He could feed me or change me or something, He can choose to say no. i don't feel like i am switching even though i am in control because my Dom has the final say in whether or not something happens.

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RE: Ageplay....... A switch thing? - 4/16/2007 11:46:39 AM   
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my Dom and i are into ageplay. i have just started getting into it and i'm really enjoying it. The thing is, my Dom is less interested in in than i am so He is allowing me to control the pace and how far i want to go with it. He knows that i am having a hard time accepting the fact that i like to be an AB so He isn't pushing it. He doesn't really care how far it goes anyway. Sometimes it feels strange to be the one "in control" of this situation. The thing is, He has the final decision. If i ask Him if He could feed me or change me or something, He can choose to say no. i don't feel like i am switching even though i am in control because my Dom has the final say in whether or not something happens.


He sounds very caring. This is a good thing, especially when one is trying to explore something that you really need to feel accepted to do. The fact that he isn't really excercising an agenda that He's determined to push is even better. Cuts way down on natural reactance when that sort of pressure is not exerted.

I have always found that being patient, and letting a sub take the time to process desires into things that feel more natural works quite well. The best control develops mutually-seldom will it grow unilaterally...........When I have used these sorts of methods-the subs have always found it easier to let go of more control-because they truly desired to.

All the Dom has to do is to be mature enough to control his own ego-and wonderful things can happen.

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