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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 4:12:31 PM   
Real0ne


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i would like to interject that its not "just" btus t hat are important but btus/time among several other factors that are critiucal to take into account to get anything reasonably accurate for results.


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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 4:30:29 PM   
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TX,

i would like to interject that its not "just" btus t hat are important but btus/time among several other factors that are critiucal to take into account to get anything reasonably accurate for results.


Real0ne:
I agree with you completely that the way in which the btus are applied makes a big difference in the end result .  I am in agreement with all of the objections that have been raised and that need to be addressed....but how about first we establish a baseline and see where we are.  How many btus are available for the demolition with the governments model and how many btus did we calculate would be necessary to blow the building with explosives.  Lets see just how close those two numbers are
What if the difference was say one million to one...I don't know what the number is but it seems like if you guys are interested in anything more than a "he said she said", there is an avenue that you might persue.
thompson

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 4:42:10 PM   
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TX,

i would like to interject that its not "just" btus t hat are important but btus/time among several other factors that are critiucal to take into account to get anything reasonably accurate for results.


Real0ne:
I agree with you completely that the way in which the btus are applied makes a big difference in the end result .  I am in agreement with all of the objections that have been raised and that need to be addressed....but how about first we establish a baseline and see where we are.  How many btus are available for the demolition with the governments model and how many btus did we calculate would be necessary to blow the building with explosives.  Lets see just how close those two numbers are
What if the difference was say one million to one...I don't know what the number is but it seems like if you guys are interested in anything more than a "he said she said", there is an avenue that you might persue.
thompson


ok i will take a sit back for now to let lucky answer that question then.


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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 5:04:51 PM   
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TX,

i would like to interject that its not "just" btus t hat are important but btus/time among several other factors that are critiucal to take into account to get anything reasonably accurate for results.


Real0ne:
I agree with you completely that the way in which the btus are applied makes a big difference in the end result .  I am in agreement with all of the objections that have been raised and that need to be addressed....but how about first we establish a baseline and see where we are.  How many btus are available for the demolition with the governments model and how many btus did we calculate would be necessary to blow the building with explosives.  Lets see just how close those two numbers are
What if the difference was say one million to one...I don't know what the number is but it seems like if you guys are interested in anything more than a "he said she said", there is an avenue that you might persue.
thompson


ok i will take a sit back for now to let lucky answer that question then.


Real0ne:
Whadyafuikncripled?  I would think you would want your own figures. Just to keep everyones pencil sharp.
thompson

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 5:16:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

TX,

i would like to interject that its not "just" btus t hat are important but btus/time among several other factors that are critiucal to take into account to get anything reasonably accurate for results.


Real0ne:
I agree with you completely that the way in which the btus are applied makes a big difference in the end result .  I am in agreement with all of the objections that have been raised and that need to be addressed....but how about first we establish a baseline and see where we are.  How many btus are available for the demolition with the governments model and how many btus did we calculate would be necessary to blow the building with explosives.  Lets see just how close those two numbers are
What if the difference was say one million to one...I don't know what the number is but it seems like if you guys are interested in anything more than a "he said she said", there is an avenue that you might persue.
thompson


ok i will take a sit back for now to let lucky answer that question then.


Real0ne:
Whadyafuikncripled?  I would think you would want your own figures. Just to keep everyones pencil sharp.
thompson



in due time.  actually i have posted them already in other threads :)   Lucky can have the floor for the moment since he never posted any of his work that I am aware of, mine are forth coming.  I will restrain myself to give him the chance to get his say in too :)


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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 6:07:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have read all 6 pages of this thread, and it has been very, um, entertaining.
My first question for Real and the other conspiracy adherents is, "Who are they that did this?"
Do you believe that it was CIA, NSA, or some other government agency?  If so, wouldn't this involve a conspiracy of at least thousands?  How could a conspiracy this large remain unbroken for six years?  Wouldn't someone have come forward with proof by now?
My second question is "Do you truly believe that this government deliberately killed thousands of innocent people in the WTC, as well on the four flights?"
If any of those actions could be proven against any person in government, they would face charges of treason and the death penalty.
That seems a very difficult "sell" to thousands of co-conspirators.  "OK, Agent Smith, we want you to help us set these charges to bring down these buildings, killing thousands.  If you're caught, you will be killed.  You OK with murdering innocent Americans? You are?  Good."  Now imagine that conversation thousands of times. And no one has ever come forward, claiming they were a part of it.
And I guess the 19 hijackers worked for "them" too.  Because if we believe the planes were mere window dressing, the hijackers were just a sham too. 

Sometimes, the simplest answer is correct.  19 savage animals took advantage of lax security and crashed planes into the WTC towers.  The jet fuel started an inferno in the buildings, weakening the internal structure. There was no reason for the towers to fall over like in a cartoon.  There was not more weight on one side than the other.  When the structures of the mid floors gave way, the millions of tons of weight of the upper floors caused the entire structure to collapse like an accordion.  As mentioned earlier, hundreds of transformers, gas lines, and other items exploded and flashed in the conflagration.  The sounds of cracking concrete and metal support structures could also sound like explosions, to the untrained ear.

Third, did "they" also rigged the Pentagon's wall to explode as well?  They would have to, to go along with the plan.  Why would "they" hurt their own buildings and personnel?

Finally, did "they" also force United 93 down, crashing it in that field?  Were the passengers who rushed the cabin actually suicidial sleeper agents of the NSA on board to make sure the plane crashed?

Look at everything that happened, all over the country on that day.   Imagine the exquisite timing, planning and coordination that this conspiracy required.  By the government.  The same government that can't get enough flu vaccine to the country.  The same government that can't keep track of its own budget or equipment. 

It was a tragedy.  But claiming it was our government only helps our enemy, Islamic terrorists.  Bin laden claimed credit for 9/11.  I'm sure he and his cronies love seeing our own citizens accuse our government of more horrible crimes than Al Qaeda ever contemplated.    

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 6:16:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why would I waste my time doing that Thompson, it wasn't taken down by explosive force.  Your entire question is meaningless.  And I was wrong, you were right, Jet fuel and Diesel are very similar.

"how many btus did we calculate would be necessary to blow the building with explosives. "  Why would I care what number you and Real and rule came up with.  If you have a peer reviewed analysis giving that number, lets see it.  3 jackasses on a web site doing calculations based on guestimates means nothing to me.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 6:20:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Real I see no need to waste time doing calculations that are obviously not relvant to anyting.  I do not need to do any math to show why your screen door example is retarted.  GIGO real.  I did not need to do any math to see that Professor Millers work was nonsense.  She was calculating if every single floor pancaked, they didnt.  It started at the impact point.  Any calculations based on all the floors pancaking are useless, as that is not what happened.  If you do not set up the paramaters correct;ly the calculations mean nothing.  GIGO

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 9:48:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The fine art of luckydog debunking:  


> Before commencing to debunk, prepare your equipment.


Equipment needed: one armchair.

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

An example of the Big Lie is Reals insistance that the building fell nice and neatly into its own footprint. 


<> Use "smoke and mirrors," i.e., obfuscation and illusion. Never forget that a slippery mixture of fact, opinion, innuendo, out-of-context information and outright lies will fool most of the people most of the time. As little as one part fact to ten parts B.S. will usually do the trick. (Some veteran debunkers use homeopathic dilutions of fact with remarkable success!) Cultivate the art of slipping back and forth between fact and fiction so undetectably that the flimsiest foundation of truth will always appear to firmly support your entire edifice of opinion.


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Why would I care what number you and Real and rule came up with.

<> Keep your arguments as abstract and theoretical as possible. This will "send the message" that accepted theory overrides any actual evidence that might challenge it--and that therefore no such evidence is worth examining.

Um... because you might learn something?

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
If you have a peer reviewed analysis giving that number, lets see it.

<> Arrange to have your message echoed by persons of authority. The degree to which you can stretch the truth is directly proportional to the prestige of your mouthpiece.


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3 jackasses on a web site doing calculations based on guestimates means nothing to me.  

<> Ridicule, ridicule, ridicule. It is far and away the single most chillingly effective weapon in the war against discovery and innovation. Ridicule has the unique power to make people of virtually any persuasion go completely unconscious in a twinkling. It fails to sway only those few who are of sufficiently independent mind not to buy into the kind of emotional consensus that ridicule provides.

Personally i think 3 jackasses with calculators have more credibility than one jackass blowing hot air from an armchair.  Since i am one of the "jackasses" you talk about, you have just been peer reviewed.

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Why would I waste my time doing that Thompson, it wasn't taken down by explosive force.  Your entire question is meaningless.

<> Keep your arguments as abstract and theoretical as possible. This will "send the message" that accepted theory overrides any actual evidence that might challenge it--and that therefore no such evidence is worth examining.

Of course not lucky:
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The only lie here is the BIG one you continue to spout this propaganda by denying that bombs blew the hell out of the place.

Tell your lies to these people with blood all over their faces:

Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings! "The 911 Documentary you cannot debunk":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search=

The comment that the 70 year old lady makes is precious and she describes this debate quite accurately!
Go Granny GO!

WTC Bomb Montage PT.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ9-lZ4f71I
This archetect is dead now

WTC 1 Explosions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeZAN5wn-eA

Keep your eye on that building, it'll be coming down soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4

Fireman:  "There is a bomb in the building"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpZdulv66n8

Big Boom and down it comes:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5182535448932065917&q=explosion%2Bwtc&hl=en


So how many 2 x 4's does a person have to crack over your head before you figure it out that bombs blew the damn place up and you have been the victim of a con?



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Real I see no need to waste time doing calculations that are obviously not relvant to anyting. 

<> Keep your arguments as abstract and theoretical as possible. This will "send the message" that accepted theory overrides any actual evidence that might challenge it--and that therefore no such evidence is worth examining.

I do agree with you on not wasting time doing calculations that are not relevant to anything, that is why TX asked for very the very relevant btu question, as well as the fuel question, exposives etc.  Those are all very relevant.  No one would think to waste your time.  So please humor us with your numbers to support your claims.

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I do not need to do any math to show why your screen door example is retarted.  GIGO real. 

<> Cultivate a condescending air that suggests that your personal opinions are backed by the full faith and credit of God. Employ vague, subjective, dismissive terms such as "ridiculous" or "trivial" in a manner that suggests they have the full force of scientific authority.

Maybe you do not need math but you do need more than your armchair lucky.

The screen door example was given by the man who designed the building and we all have no doubt that he is unqualified so better make that 4 jackasses doing calculations.


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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
I did not need to do any math to see that Professor Millers work was nonsense.  She was calculating if every single floor pancaked, they didnt.  It started at the impact point.  Any calculations based on all the floors pancaking are useless, as that is not what happened.  If you do not set up the paramaters correct;ly the calculations mean nothing.  GIGO 

<> Remember that most people do not have sufficient time or expertise for careful discrimination, and tend to accept or reject the whole of an unfamiliar situation. So discredit the whole story by attempting to discredit *part* of the story. Here's how: a) take one element of a case completely out of context; b) find something prosaic that hypothetically could explain it; c) declare that therefore that one element has been explained; d) call a press conference and announce to the world that the entire case has been explained!

Back to the prof miller thing huh?  you truly are a broken record buddy.  Ok so for about the 5th time i will repeat once more GREAT lucky than tell us how much her calculations would be off from where you feel she should have measured it.  Like this is freaking high school level math you know.

and if things go with these lucky diwscusssions the way they usually go this is where lucky turns up awol till the next time he wants to forget that we have been through this little dance before, and before, and before, and awol and before and awol.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 10:54:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Real the ridiculousness of your post doesn't really need any comment....Tell your lies to your hearts content.  You however are the one trying to debunk a theory.  You are very carefull to not actually give an alternative one.  You attempted to on the Pentagon but Sleazy? shut you down on that one.

You are actually claiming that the man who designed the building does not know that the outer walls were load bearing and designed to shift in the event of a puncture?   And that a screen is not load bearing at all.  you are freaking kidding me....

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/8/2007 11:07:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		to anyone just tuning in.  I pointed out near the begining of the Post that Real was in fact telling a BIG LIE about 911, namely that the building fell nice and neatly.  He needs to pretend that in order to say that nothing could have damaged building 7, and it is evidence that it was purposely demolished.  The pictures that rubble landed blocks away( damaging other buildings) doesn't even make a dent in his consciousness.  He just pretends they dont exist.  Just like when I pointed out that any plastic or rubber burns with thick black smoke, not just cold oxegyn starved fires, he just pretends he didnt read it, and tries to switch the subject.  I do often get bored and walk away after he ignores several of my main points and just demands I do a bunch of Math with no basis behind it in an attempt to change the subject, while hurling insults. 

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 4:51:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Debating with you is all smoke and mirrors, obfuscation, hyperbole, misrepresentations, misinterpretations, misquoting, sidestepping and, evasion, name calling and just plain arm chair keyboard masterbation and bullshit.

you simply do not have the ability to even pick up a calculator much less use one and you prove it by ducking out of every question that anyone asks you that would pin you down.

Calling me and others names who want answers proves this over and over, and i know how you hate all those videos with bombs going off that you would like us to believe is nothing more than kids lighting farts.

So for those just tuning in watch the all those videos showing the bombs going off, you can both see and hear them, freeze them and watch the deris fly upward before they fall, hell thats normal collapse, debris always falls upward and outward 400 feet away from the building in a collapse.  doesnt it?  DUH!!!

Then go back to post 53 on page 3 and read all the witnesses statements that i have posted.


No Explosions?   Lucky claims no credible witnesses?  Here is a sample:

Rich Banaciski -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22] ... and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.

Brian Becker -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 28] The collapse hadn't begun, but it was not a fire any more up there. It was like -- it was like that -- like smoke explosion on a tremendous scale going on up there.

Greg Brady -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) [Battalion 6] We were standing underneath and Captain Stone was speaking again. We heard -- I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up and the north tower is coming down now, 1 World Trade Center.

Timothy Burke -- Firefigter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 202] But it seemed like I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the building popped. I thought it was an explosion.

Ed Cachia -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 53] we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.

Frank Campagna -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 11] You see three explosions and then the whole thing coming down.

Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 8] ... you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was.


That was just a small sample of the whole list.  No amount of testimony and proof is good enough for the ignorant or those who fear the truth.  i do not fear the truth, regardless of the outcome.

i support my claims with all THE EVIDENCE and lucky obsfucates it and supporting it with name calling, changing the definitions and the same old tired lack of data and more name calling to make his case.  i just reprimanded my little nephew for the very same thing.  i woudlnt want the kid to take that trait into adulthood.

Lucky cant provide even one scrap of meaningful data beside name calling, keyboard masterbation and quoting one magazine.  

The governments version of building 7, wtc 1 and 2, and the pentagon have all been proven to be false, several times over and on several levels, to bad so sad for those who cannot accept the truth.  No one will ever be able to explain this to the satisfaction of someone who does not understand physics thermo dynamics etc etc etc, you are a name calling lost cause.

Now back to your previoulsy scheduled obsfucation and name calling.   

TX you will never get him to put any kind of data up here because he simply does not have any and is incapable of "doing the math" elementary as it is, himself.   

Everytime you pin him down he will cop out by labelling it rediculous or unimportant or anything else thats handy to avoid "putting out"  that is putting his money where his bullshit is.

If you or anyone else want btu and other data i will be happy to provide it for you on the other side, as far as this side is concerned we will let name calling lucky provide it :)  (which we know will never happen)



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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 5:28:27 AM   
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I have read all 6 pages of this thread, and it has been very, um, entertaining.
My first question for Real and the other conspiracy adherents is, "Who are they that did this?"
Do you believe that it was CIA, NSA, or some other government agency?  If so, wouldn't this involve a conspiracy of at least thousands?  How could a conspiracy this large remain unbroken for six years?  Wouldn't someone have come forward with proof by now?
My second question is "Do you truly believe that this government deliberately killed thousands of innocent people in the WTC, as well on the four flights?"
If any of those actions could be proven against any person in government, they would face charges of treason and the death penalty.
That seems a very difficult "sell" to thousands of co-conspirators.  "OK, Agent Smith, we want you to help us set these charges to bring down these buildings, killing thousands.  If you're caught, you will be killed.  You OK with murdering innocent Americans? You are?  Good."  Now imagine that conversation thousands of times. And no one has ever come forward, claiming they were a part of it.
And I guess the 19 hijackers worked for "them" too.  Because if we believe the planes were mere window dressing, the hijackers were just a sham too.

Sometimes, the simplest answer is correct.  19 savage animals took advantage of lax security and crashed planes into the WTC towers.  The jet fuel started an inferno in the buildings, weakening the internal structure. There was no reason for the towers to fall over like in a cartoon.  There was not more weight on one side than the other.  When the structures of the mid floors gave way, the millions of tons of weight of the upper floors caused the entire structure to collapse like an accordion.  As mentioned earlier, hundreds of transformers, gas lines, and other items exploded and flashed in the conflagration.  The sounds of cracking concrete and metal support structures could also sound like explosions, to the untrained ear.

Third, did "they" also rigged the Pentagon's wall to explode as well?  They would have to, to go along with the plan.  Why would "they" hurt their own buildings and personnel?

Finally, did "they" also force United 93 down, crashing it in that field?  Were the passengers who rushed the cabin actually suicidial sleeper agents of the NSA on board to make sure the plane crashed?

Look at everything that happened, all over the country on that day.   Imagine the exquisite timing, planning and coordination that this conspiracy required.  By the government.  The same government that can't get enough flu vaccine to the country.  The same government that can't keep track of its own budget or equipment.

It was a tragedy.  But claiming it was our government only helps our enemy, Islamic terrorists.  Bin laden claimed credit for 9/11.  I'm sure he and his cronies love seeing our own citizens accuse our government of more horrible crimes than Al Qaeda ever contemplated.    


Let me sum it up by saying the governments version is easily proved as false.  Draw your own conclusions from there.

Sluggy, if you have never researched this before do it.  
http://67.15.255.19/~c911sch1/
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
this one is hilarious where building 7 is reported as collapsing 30 minutes before it happened! you can see it in the background ROTFLMFAO
http://www.911sharethetruth.com/
http://www.911proof.com/

NY911Truth.org has embarked on a campaign to create a NYC ballot initiative calling for an independent 9/11 Commission. The concept is to bypass the stand down by our elected officials to fully investigate 9/11, by taking the issue directly to NYC voters through grassroots legislation. If successful, the initiative would create the kind of investigation 9/11 researchers have demanded for over 5 years through powers vested in the new Commission by the voters themselves.
http://www.911truth.org/


i Tell people simply look at the evidence.   

This simply is not rocket science.  Alex jones, a real trooper for liberty BEGGED the american people on his show in july of 2001 to write to congress and tell them not to blow up the wtc building.  

That was 2 months prior to it happening.

The joke is that none of this is a secret and it is all out in the open, it is so horrible people just refuse or cannot accept it for what it really is.


i cannot help but laugh at people like lucky who actually think the guilty are going to "prove it" by admitting they did it on national tv LOL..  nah his types still wouldnt believe it even if they did admit it LOL

As far as helping terrorists are concerned, we are helping terrorists by not getting to the truth in the matter and prosecuting the real terrorists.  Have you seen our deficit lately?  Noticed that dollar is devalued at the same time interest rates are going up at the same time the deficit is going up?

Do you have any realization what this shit is doing to this country?  Look into it!

http://www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition.html









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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 10:19:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		For an example of the way Real thinks take a look at post 109.  I stated in post 107 that I did not give any validity to the calculations Real, Thompson and rule did in these forums on how much explosive force it would take to bring down the building.  I read the thread a few months ago, when they did the "calculations" and pointed out ( along wiht others) why they were wrong.  Not that thier Math was wrong, but the guestimates they used.  GIGO.  Garbage In Garbage Out.  Real comes out in post 109, and attempts to claim that the man who designed the buildings agrees with thier calculations.  An absolute lie.  Perhaps some reading this thread are not smart enough to notice he is falsley claiming that the man who designed the building agrees with his calculations.  The reason I call Real a liar, is perfectly illustrated in post 109, he is indeed a liar.

Real you have never given me anything to do math on.  And you do not seem to understand that if you use bad data, the calculations mean nothing. 

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 11:03:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
you really do not need to put your inablility to score a home run here onto me, others have scored home runs and i always back down, and not only do i back down but i stand up and say it rather than just go AWOL like most do.   Just make a plausible case for petes sake.

Yeah, like earlier in the thread where I proved that there were restaurants at the top of both WTC towers. No, I'm sorry, you still haven't owned up to being wrong on that.

Well then what about when you attributed a quote to me that I didn't write, you promptly admitted your mistake on that one right? Checking the thread I'm still waiting for you to admit you are in the wrong on that as well.

As a matter of fact in the well over a year I've been reading the garbage you post here I have never read a retraction or admission of error written by you, no matter that virtually every thread you start is factually incorrect and most posts written by you are so full of incorrect material it is like I'm back refuting creationists. I really am curious though can anyone post a link to a post unrealone has made admitting an error?

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 11:22:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
you really do not need to put your inablility to score a home run here onto me, others have scored home runs and i always back down, and not only do i back down but i stand up and say it rather than just go AWOL like most do.   Just make a plausible case for petes sake.

Yeah, like earlier in the thread where I proved that there were restaurants at the top of both WTC towers. No, I'm sorry, you still haven't owned up to being wrong on that.

Well then what about when you attributed a quote to me that I didn't write, you promptly admitted your mistake on that one right? Checking the thread I'm still waiting for you to admit you are in the wrong on that as well.

As a matter of fact in the well over a year I've been reading the garbage you post here I have never read a retraction or admission of error written by you, no matter that virtually every thread you start is factually incorrect and most posts written by you are so full of incorrect material it is like I'm back refuting creationists. I really am curious though can anyone post a link to a post unrealone has made admitting an error?


I am still waioting for you to admit you are wrong lets see on one of the energy threads, the tax thread and I forget the 3rd off the top of my shoulders.


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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 11:27:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Show me a factual error in one of my posts and I'll admit I was wrong. Not a statement contradicting your beliefs but an actual factual error though.

But that is irrelevant to the claim you made where you claim that you are better than most about admitting your errors.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 11:33:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

For an example of the way Real thinks take a look at post 109.  I stated in post 107 that I did not give any validity to the calculations Real, Thompson and rule did in these forums on how much explosive force it would take to bring down the building.  I read the thread a few months ago, when they did the "calculations" and pointed out ( along wiht others) why they were wrong.  Not that thier Math was wrong, but the guestimates they used.  GIGO.  Garbage In Garbage Out.  Real comes out in post 109, and attempts to claim that the man who designed the buildings agrees with thier calculations.  An absolute lie.  Perhaps some reading this thread are not smart enough to notice he is falsley claiming that the man who designed the building agrees with his calculations.  The reason I call Real a liar, is perfectly illustrated in post 109, he is indeed a liar.

Real you have never given me anything to do math on.  And you do not seem to understand that if you use bad data, the calculations mean nothing. 


you call me a liar, that my numbers are wrong yet you admit you have no numbers to support it.  when it comes to your posts its ZIZO!  Zippo in Zippo out.

Your idea of proving something is wrong is your spouting your unsupported opinion.  LOL   Only you are foolish enough to believe that is proof.

you cant even watch bombs blow up and call them bombs and someone is supposed to expect an intelligent debate with you?

Its obvious you do not watch any video that I post.

I have put all this up a zillion times at your request to site it and it went uncontested, now I am supposed to dig it all up again for you?  NOT

Use your own numbers and prove me wrong. 

Oh and just a reminder::

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The only lie here is the BIG one you continue to spout this propaganda by denying that bombs blew the hell out of the place.

Tell your lies to these people with blood all over their faces:

Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings! "The 911 Documentary you cannot debunk":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search=

The comment that the 70 year old lady makes is precious and she describes this debate quite accurately!
Go Granny GO!

WTC Bomb Montage PT.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ9-lZ4f71I
This archetect is dead now

WTC 1 Explosions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeZAN5wn-eA

Keep your eye on that building, it'll be coming down soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4

Fireman:  "There is a bomb in the building"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpZdulv66n8

Big Boom and down it comes:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5182535448932065917&q=explosion%2Bwtc&hl=en


Hmm thinking about it i do not recall TX making any calculations i know he stated standards data, you lying again and making stuff up AGAIN?  LOL  Oh yeh and where did i provide calculations on how much explosive force it would take to drop that building?  More lucky obsfuscation and lies i see.

ZIPPO IN ZIPPO OUT from you lucky.  The only thing that applies here is my grand pa's old saying.  a skunk always smells his own ass first.  Now you were saying about liars?

Dont even think about asking me to calculate it for you.   Provide your own data and math to support your frivolous accusations.   There is plenty of math out there on all the 911 truth sites if you just need math starting with judy millers data.  use her data if you are not capable of coming up with your own.   for christ sake do somehting other than just throw slurs and tap dances as your "prrof".


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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 11:36:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Show me a factual error in one of my posts and I'll admit I was wrong. Not a statement contradicting your beliefs but an actual factual error though.

But that is irrelevant to the claim you made where you claim that you are better than most about admitting your errors.


Apparently equally irrelevant to yours then


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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 11:44:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		So with unrealone's evasion now complete I'll renew my request, can anyone provide a link to one of his posts where he admits an error?

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