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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 11:46:47 AM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

So with unrealone's evasion now complete I'll renew my request, can anyone provide a link to one of his posts where he admits an error?


more like is anyone willing to humor this bullshit to spend even one second of their time to do research for you that you are perfectly capable of doing yourself much less risk getting in the middle of the fuckfest lucky created out of this?    ROTFLMFAO

you have a computer and a keyboard use it!

and since lucky is sure to forget by the time he gets to this page once again this is about the buildings being demolished as in blown all to hell as can be seen on NUMEROUS LIVE VIDEO ACCOUNTS below and testimony that i left i left on the previous page:

The only lie here is the BIG one lucky continues to spout this propaganda by denying that bombs blew the hell out of the place.

Tell your lies to these people with blood all over their faces:

Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings! "The 911 Documentary you cannot debunk":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search=

The comment that the 70 year old lady makes is precious and she describes lucky quite accurately!   Go Granny GO!

WTC Bomb Montage PT.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ9-lZ4f71I
This archetect is dead now

WTC 1 Explosions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeZAN5wn-eA

Keep your eye on that building, it'll be coming down soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4

Fireman:  "There is a bomb in the building"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpZdulv66n8

Big Boom and down it comes:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5182535448932065917&q=explosion%2Bwtc&hl=en




Hell everyone knows that when a building collapses there are huge explosions first!!!





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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 12:33:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please, please stop using YouTube and Google vidoes as resources.  They're completely unreviewed for content- thus, anyone can say anything that's not profane, despite how silly- and it forces us to sit here for half an hour just watching clips to even respond.  Writen sources are something people can just open up and read over in a minute.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 2:47:19 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Please, please stop using YouTube and Google vidoes as resources.  They're completely unreviewed for content- thus, anyone can say anything that's not profane, despite how silly- and it forces us to sit here for half an hour just watching clips to even respond.  Writen sources are something people can just open up and read over in a minute.



Oh and i supposed if it is "reviewed" its ALWAYS TRUE!  Be my guest and buy it if you like but dont ask me to join you.   Fractional banking is reviewed too. LMAO


If that makes you happy however i have reviewed them and certified them to be the real deal,  there hows that LOL


You might want to look at my thread regarding the fine art of debunking, your post is already inthere and accounted for!


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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 5:12:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Real, for the 100th time, the towers were full of things that expolded.  Electrical transformers, computer moitors, Boilers, ect.  I have never once stated that there were no explosions as the building fell.

No response to being caught in the lie that the designer of the towers agrees with your calculations on how much explosive force was required to bring down the towers?  Figures....

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 5:17:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have alot of things that are incindental, but do not dismiss many things that are awry with the falling of the towers, but I can double goddamn guarentee you that in New York in the 70s (which is when they were built and think about who was  running the cement contracts, and et al in all construction there, and you cannot use standard physical calculation from a table to define temperature failure, stress failure, steel failure and breaking points, nobody has the actual set of as-built prints.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/9/2007 5:18:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not really the reviewed-thing that's so important, in my motivation.. it's more I don't like spending time watching a clip to get the gist of it.

Of course, you're free to do whatever, just, I know, at least personally, I'd be far more likely to give it a look if it's in written form.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/10/2007 10:58:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lord, he used to give text sites, but it is very easy to quote the parts that show why they are nonsense.  Several posters would point out the errors in them.  So he quit doing that. And sticks to unquoteable videos. 

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/10/2007 11:35:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's another beef of mine.  Real keeps insiting that "pull" means set off the explosives, as proof that Silverstien ordered the destruction of building 7.  Nevermind that in his previous sentance he was specifically talking about the crew of firefighters.  I serioulsy doubt that a common word like "pull" is the detonate word for professional demolitions.  Pull is a word that can be used often in many contexts, and the consequences of setting of the bombs at the wrong time are pretty high.  Would any of you use a very common word as a safeword?  I will stand corrected if Real or anyone can show me that "pull" is the standard go code for professional demolitions (or any other kind of commercial explosive work).  ThompsonX, you agreed with Real on this one, so you could provide evidence here also.  If it is a nationwide standard in commercial explosive work, it should be easy to show.  More likley it is just another part of Reals BIG LIE.....

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/10/2007 1:41:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dang Real can't you even find a video where they claim that is what 'pull" means?

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/10/2007 1:52:36 PM   
MistressEnoha


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Status: offline 		Ok Real I would like to ask you a couple of questions about the videos that you submitted for the review of this thread.

1.) Where you at the 9/11 site when everything took place?

2.) Where you the one that took the video? or Do you personally know the person that did?

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/10/2007 2:18:11 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		I have the day opff so I will waste my time disecting one of REAL videos.

Big Boom and down it comes:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5182535448932065917&q=explosion%2Bwtc&hl=en
Its only 5 minutes. 

Notice at the begining it shows the firemen using a pay phone and they hear an explosion like sound and flinch.  They state that they are right at the base of the towers.  A camera man is there filming them as they talk on the phone and to each other.  There is indeed an explosion like sound, as I have stated many times, all kinds of things explode in fires.  at the end of the video it shows a film made from Jersy of the tower collapsing.  You can hear a muffeled boom sound (notice they cut off the top of the tower in thier clip).  The words say look at the smoke emerging from the base of the tower, but the air there was smoke filled before.  This film does not show the start of the tower collapsing( probably because it was at the impact point 70 stories up and that doesn't fit into the lie of bombs in the basement).  But there is a sound Real claims as an explosion that brought down the towers.  These were not the same sounds( firemen boom and the Jersy film) as one was aabout 2 seconds long, and the other was a series of sounds lasting 8 seconds.  Real is hoping you are all too stupid to notice this.  Also the Firemen and camera man (whose film ended up in the HBO special)were at the base of the tower.  there is only 24 seconds between the Boom in the Jersy film and the total collapse of the towers, killing anyone near the base as the firemen and cameraman were.  There was indeed a lot of confusion that day and people speculated all sorts of things into cameras.  The towers however pancaked down from the impact point,  this is fact and shown on huindreds of films.  It was not bombs in the basement.  All kinds of stuff was exploding that day as  result of the impact, fire, and collapse.  Real has before argued that the building was pre wired with explosives, this film alledges it was a truck bomb.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/10/2007 6:07:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
I have never once stated that there were no explosions as the building fell.


OK SO YOU AGREE THERE WERE EXPLOSIONS WHEN THE BUILDING FELL!!!!

Transformers that blow the exoskeleton across the street?

Computer monitors that blow chunks of the exoskeleton off the building?

Boilers that blow in the basement because they are pissed off that an airplane fucked up the 79th floor and they were not included in the fun?

Oh and they just happen to blow on schedule every 15 minutes, thems some really smart transformers, monitors and boilers!

Dont forget kids lighting farts too!  Thats where this is headed next right?

You really should watch the vids, they do make my point and prove it was blown all to hell!  Everyone who does watch them, sspecially the one with all the news reporters and firemens testimoney saying BOMBS, HUGE EXPLOSION, etc realize this will stand up in any court, well except yours of course.

The firemens quotes are all in writing whats your problem?  Aside from a departure from reality?

Anyone who would deny that these buildings were blown all to hell in the face of the mounds of video evidence and testimonies that prove that they were in FACT BLOWN ALL TO HELL is delusional.


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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/10/2007 8:49:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well as I have seen you imply Real. Things can be faked, even facts. I am not saying that it did or did not happen. All that I am saying is that unless you where there with your own two eyes, you cannot fully know the truth of the situation as it stands. As for te videos.. Well While they good very good, and could very well be reall. With technology as it stands, Those could be faked. But anyway. I think arguing over it is pointless to begin with. In the capitalist society that we live in today, money rules, and wars make money. That is how it has always been, and always will be.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/11/2007 12:40:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Real try hitting a piece of concrete with a sledge hammer, pieces go flying in all directions, even up.  Thats why they wear saftey gogles when running a jackhammer.  The force of the upper 30 stories collapsing  down blew things all to hell.  In all directions.  The visible explosions were a result of the fire and collapse not the cause.  Dont try to bold faace that I am now admiting there were explosions.  I never have maintained otherwise.  That there were explosions does not mean they caused the collapse.  I am sure the firemen saw and heard all kinds of expolosions.  Some said huge bangs, others siad it sounded like gun fire, and several other descriptions were given.  they did not all hear the same thing.  I notice you are not trying to defend that the 2 sounds I compared in post 131 are the same.  If the sound in the video from Jersy was actually an explosion it would have been so loud that everyone would know about it.  Firemen were reporting lots of small bangs.  In the film they show firemen on the phone at the base of the towers hearing a bang.  They and the Camera would have been dead if that was the explosion that brought down the towers.  How do you explain that?



Real the vast majority of people on here, and as you have admitted in real life do not agree with you.  If you think most everyone else is delusional, perhaps it is you.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/11/2007 4:14:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Real at the beginning of this threat you were asserting that the building fell nice and neatly, now you say parts were being blown off the building and accross the street by explosives.  Did it fall nice and neatly into its footprint, or not?  Are you counting on people being too stupid to notice you are switching your position?  And I take it you can not find any evidence that "pull" means set off the bombs in demmolition work.  If that is the industry standard it should be very easy to show.  But that little lie is such a  big part of your theory.  It must suck to have it pointed out to you.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/11/2007 8:21:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well lucky think about what you are saying here for a minute.   On one side of your mouth you are saying that official story is the correct version. vis Huge impact of the plane and then a burning inferno that weakened the steel till it all collapsed.  So you believe what the government "experts" are telling you.

Then you do a 180 and also maintain that the explosions were transformers.  

Ok man so you have to decide either firemen, police, and the feds are experts or they are not experts since they are the ones who came up with both versions.  Doh!

Which story do you want to go with because you cant have both and call your side experts because one group of experts or the other is obviously wrong and they are both gov employees.

Do you really think people are that dumb to believe you that transformers can blow out elevators, the whole lobby, shake the whole building, do a 2.1 on the rector scale 34 miles away?

you are stretching your bullshit to the max buddy.

i do not know which 2 sounds you are comparing and trying to match up and to what?  There were several explosions.

WTF are you talking about they would have been dead?  So you were standing there beside them then huh?  Did it ever occur to you they may have ran?   you obviously did no homework or you would know people survived that were quite close to the building when they pulled it.

Lucky did the building fall over sideways or not?  If it did not fall over sideways and the bulk of the building fell into the basement that is considered "falling in its foorprint" regardless how you want to distort the industry understanding to misdirect people.

Geeezus lucky here you go with the pull it thing again.  first they were all ready out of the building when that was said, pull it was said not pull them as you would want to "insert" in one of your previous posts changing what he said so it meant something entirely different.  (nope i am not going to cite it, anyone cares read the whole thread LOL), anyway he said pull it and we watched it fall, not pull it and we watched the firemen leave or any of the horseshit you want to sell.  Then again maybe he was talking about pulling his pud huh?  LOL  you know "pulling it" and watching his spuz fall?  probly even had a pet name for it LOL

Like i said earlier your lack of demolition knowledge is glowing as well as you are delusional to call bombs with perfect timing transformers blowing up and off all things computer monitors like they could even be heard 1 room away much less do any damage.  ludicrous.

So for everyone elses benifit here are some pics of a REAL INFERNO and the steel building continued to stand.

Here is a raging inferno and the building collapses:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/flagsandtowers.jpg

Here is a tiny fire and the steel building somehow survives:

During:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/mad00000.jpg

After:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/madrid.jpg

Steel is mysterious stuff for sure.

Then there is a really interesting photo that i picked up along the way:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/911NUKED.jpg

Lucky has a problem since he admitted the crash from the planes did not bring it down that only leaves the fire and blowing up transformers.

That and we know that a fuel and office fire cant bring it down since it already had one of those and they were still standing 30 years later.

I am also still waiting for your corretions of millers work since you maintain she a liar too.  If you cannot correct her by showing the difference in her math versus yours then you are the liar.


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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/11/2007 9:22:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		since i just happened across this i may as well put it up.  more shit for you to twist into the outer limits

senetor kerry on "pull"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnaogsm60A

Of course there is no proof they are talking about the same wtc7 that was in new york.


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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/11/2007 9:46:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is the last clip supposed to demosntrate.  The questioner misquotes Silverman, according to your previous evidence(also on film).  Kerry says he has no idea.  He is obviously uncomfoprtable with the questions, knowing he needs the support of the kooks, but aware that everyone else would know if he agreed with them..  "it" refers to the fire crew.  Which he was speaking aobut in the previous sentance.  Twist to the outer limits?  I hope everyone looks at that clip.

Real why would a building that started falling from the top fall sideways?  It pancaked down.  There is no debate about that.  The Collapse started at the impact point, there is no debate about that.  If that was a controlled emolition it was the worst in the world because it damaged several other building ans started fires all over the area.  There is no way that would be considered falling into its footprint, except as needed in your BIG LIE..


For the 100th time, Professor Millers Math is not wrong, the variables she used were.  You did the 180 in denying that you agreed with her work.  Her conclusions was that the building fell faster than gravity, proving that vacume charges were used.  which is how commercial buildings are brought down, so that other buildings are not damaged in the process.  The vacume charges make it fall into its footprint.  Everything falls straight down, unless acted on by another force.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/11/2007 9:47:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		And I take it you can not provide any evidence of what you claim are common industry stantards.

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RE: The Big Lie! - 5/12/2007 5:01:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		As usual lucky you make perfect sense, (nonsense), hell its standard practice, not to mention perfect grammar, to refer to people as "IT", (if you were in the Adams Family)  LMFAO

Hey IT hows it going?  Did you tell the ITS to go out of the building yet?  Have you petted your IT today?  Even in the constitution - "We the ITS"!

Lucky, as usual you are the only one here who does not understand english.  You prove that time and time again.  Its the same shit in every topic with you.  

When you lose you change it to a battle of definitions and obsfuscation.  (just like my x wife used to do)  but at least with her i got a blow job out of the deal.  So where is my blow job, hell i deserve something for all this wasted typing!

Just asking me a question like why would a building that starts falling from the top fall sideways shows you know nothing about structures.

Demolitions do not pancake, and not to surprisingly you cant seem to make that distinction because you do not know or understand the difference.

Frankly lucky i am surprised we can agree it was a even building without getting into the definition war of what a "building" is. LMFAO.  i mean we can agree it is a building that right?   

There is nothing i can do to educate you on demolition practices or jargon and i really do not care if you wish to remain ignorant or perpetuate your LIES.

Lucky, there are no books that tell electricians "juice it" means turn on the power, or kill the juice, meaning turn off the power, and there are no mechanics for numbnuts books that will tell you "hit *IT* with a bfh" does NOT mean hit the PERSON standing beside you with a "big fucking hammer".  Of course that would be a recommended treatment in your case.

Its just one of those things you are either educated enough to understand or you are not.  Computer monitors blowing up. i have to give you an A+ for creative bullshit buddy. If you are not in politics you missed your calling because they are the only ones i have ever seen lie on the same scale that you do.

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