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GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/26/2005 12:42:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LdyAuburn quote: when she puts that collar on and states she actually wants me in Her life..and means it,..not just until she finds out i have a mind of my own and know how to speak my mind, so she says she can't handle it and says it is time to go coz she ain't able to handle a full grown man. honest? quote: Have you considered that you are 'too much' you come across as very intense and demanding. You expect things to be your way or not at all. For example re your service, the dominant you are serving might like the dishes washed up first you might 'know' that one washes the glasses first. by the by did you used to post similar comments under a different nick? Yes, this would be garylee, aka unbroken houseboy. houseboy, you do seem to be coming across as angry. I hope things are working out better for you now that you have moved. Regarding the OP, I do agree. I not only get alot of form letters, but I also get some that are nothing but a copy and paste of the profile. I would like to hear some new words Myself. I do have to wonder, boys, when I ask some specific questions such as why do you feel you have the qualities I seek, I get little more than the same old catch phrases. I try very hard not to be unfair, but it is difficult to figure things out when it is too much trouble spend some time expressing yourself in words. Words are hard, but they mean so many things to so many different people, more examples and description would be helpful. you are honest, loyal and obedient. Well, yes, I do want an honest, loyal and obedient boy. But how are you honest, loyal and obedient? What have you done in this lifestyle. or just in life, that shows your character? Who can you point to as a reference? When I have to dig for information to make a determinatin about general character, it bothers Me. And when I find that things are not as you claimed, I have to turn you away. I dislike an air of desperation in an email. "Ma'am, I have to move now, and I can't afford to live on My own." Why Me? Or has this email been sent to dozens of potential Dominas seeking live-in boys? Is it anyplace you might be able to get a free roof over your head? Special needs, special diet (food), special cleaning products, and you know the best way. Well, I have news. It is My house, and My life. And that makes it My way or the highway. I am looking for stability and good character. The loyalty, honesty and obedience will naturally follow. But it takes a litlte bit of time to make these determinations. So tell Me why you are stable and of good character. And then tell Me why you want this lifestyle, and what makes you suitable for both the lifestyle and Me. I don't write to boys. they write to Me. So if you wrote to Me in the first place, there must be something that made you think W/we might be a match. Just tell Me!

goodhouseboy -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/26/2005 3:01:46 PM)
Yes, this would be garylee, aka unbroken houseboy. houseboy, you do seem to be coming across as angry. I hope things are working out better for you now that you have moved. *grrr. i wrote out a full page letter to You and then my friend's dial up cut me off before i could hit send. and yes'M..now that i am back in iowa i am away from those people in Ar...he still owes me $100 i won't see again. take a man's rent money and borrow more and then have the guts to tell me to move?..i hate 2 faced people..and i hate being used. Regarding the OP, I do agree. I not only get alot of form letters, but I also get some that are nothing but a copy and paste of the profile. i will guarantee nothing from ME is ever pasted. I would like to hear some new words Myself. I do have to wonder, boys, when I ask some specific questions such as why do you feel you have the qualities I seek, I get little more than the same old catch phrases. I try very hard not to be unfair, but it is difficult to figure things out when it is too much trouble spend some time expressing yourself in words. Words are hard, but they mean so many things to so many different people, more examples and description would be helpful. what is it people want? i am not college boy scholar. i can only use what i know about. but i can guarantee references if it is what You STILL need? you are honest, loyal and obedient. Well, yes, I do want an honest, loyal and obedient boy. But how are you honest, loyal and obedient? What have you done in this lifestyle. or just in life, that shows your character? i am honest enough to admit mistakes immediately when i make one..which is not too often i can tell you. i have no idea what punishemnt is or discipline! i am loyal enough to my friends, when they have gone to jail i never turned my back on them...not that they didn't do it to me later..anyway...i hate 2 faced people. what have i done in this lifestyle? i have protected what was supposed to be my Lady at one time, online, against someone that likes to cause hate and i got jumped for defending them...how's that for Domme loyalty? Who can you point to as a reference? i already gave You reference.. do you need more? When I have to dig for information to make a determinatin about general character, it bothers Me. And when I find that things are not as you claimed, I have to turn you away. I dislike an air of desperation in an email. "Ma'am, I have to move now, and I can't afford to live on My own." i can always live on my own..i am living in my van at the moment...so that is not an issue for me. i can take care of myself when i have to..it is just a lot easier to give a Domme my allotment than it is to put it in the gas tank and the gas station for eating...etc etc.. Why Me? Or has this email been sent to dozens of potential Dominas seeking live-in boys? Is it anyplace you might be able to get a free roof over your head? no. i do not send the-same-thing to every skirt on the net. never did never will. each Lady is different and so are my emails. Special needs, special diet (food), special cleaning products, and you know the best way. Well, I have news. It is My house, and My life. And that makes it My way or the highway. so does that mean You will not allow for special diets due to health? i hope i see wrong here. does that mean You have no trust in someone's ability when they have been doing hard work for 30 yrs as a pro commercial cleaner?...i hope that is not true. if You want it Yo9ur way...You have to come outside and show me what YOU want then coz otherwise i do it like i am used to doing it and try not to waste man hours or money.. I am looking for stability and good character. The loyalty, honesty and obedience will naturally follow. But it takes a little bit of time to make these determinations. So tell Me why you are stable and of good character. And then tell Me why you want this lifestyle, and what makes you suitable for both the lifestyle and Me. suitable? no one knows but You. no one can read Your mind. but i can guarantee that i am real, and 150% honest...and can prove what i say...i sent You references once... I don't write to boys. they write to Me. So if you wrote to Me in the first place, there must be something that made you think W/we might be a match. Just tell Me! *tell You? tell you what? i already said in previous emails that i liked some of the things i seen in Your profile.. and i said i had no problems relocating but to be a live-out slave, would be a long time coming..due to the $$.. i have no idea what it costs to live there...i tried once to get into a housing area that was supposed to be, for elderly and disabled but they will not talk to me coz i am not 62 and over...even though i am disabled...money is money...what do they care?...but it happened. Ms gold? i do not know what YOU want or think YOU need...but i can guaqrantee "I" will give any Ms 150% effort of my blood, sweat and tears. i did it in calif. with my 1st Ms...i bled when i got hurt in the yard, i sweated in the summer heat, and i had tears of pain from sore muscles and a tired a body...so i know what i am talking about. digging up someone's septic tanks took me 3 days to do in the hard baked clay and sand...in calif.!!! and took me less than 1/2 hour to cover it again after the truck came..which "I" paid for!! "I" gave my 1st MS $50 k ...because i wanted Her happy!!! tell me about character!!! thank You Yours, in submission,,,as much as is possible to do... houseboy aka garylee in iowa...still looking for Ms Right

AAkasha -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/26/2005 3:13:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: goodhouseboy Yes, this would be garylee, aka unbroken houseboy. houseboy, you do seem to be coming across as angry. I hope things are working out better for you now that you have moved. *grrr. i wrote out a full page letter to You and then my friend's dial up cut me off before i could hit send. and yes'M..now that i am back in iowa i am away from those people in Ar...he still owes me $100 i won't see again. take a man's rent money and borrow more and then have the guts to tell me to move?..i hate 2 faced people..and i hate being used. Regarding the OP, I do agree. I not only get alot of form letters, but I also get some that are nothing but a copy and paste of the profile. i will guarantee nothing from ME is ever pasted. I would like to hear some new words Myself. I do have to wonder, boys, when I ask some specific questions such as why do you feel you have the qualities I seek, I get little more than the same old catch phrases. I try very hard not to be unfair, but it is difficult to figure things out when it is too much trouble spend some time expressing yourself in words. Words are hard, but they mean so many things to so many different people, more examples and description would be helpful. what is it people want? i am not college boy scholar. i can only use what i know about. but i can guarantee references if it is what You STILL need? you are honest, loyal and obedient. Well, yes, I do want an honest, loyal and obedient boy. But how are you honest, loyal and obedient? What have you done in this lifestyle. or just in life, that shows your character? i am honest enough to admit mistakes immediately when i make one..which is not too often i can tell you. i have no idea what punishemnt is or discipline! i am loyal enough to my friends, when they have gone to jail i never turned my back on them...not that they didn't do it to me later..anyway...i hate 2 faced people. what have i done in this lifestyle? i have protected what was supposed to be my Lady at one time, online, against someone that likes to cause hate and i got jumped for defending them...how's that for Domme loyalty? Who can you point to as a reference? i already gave You reference.. do you need more? When I have to dig for information to make a determinatin about general character, it bothers Me. And when I find that things are not as you claimed, I have to turn you away. I dislike an air of desperation in an email. "Ma'am, I have to move now, and I can't afford to live on My own." i can always live on my own..i am living in my van at the moment...so that is not an issue for me. i can take care of myself when i have to..it is just a lot easier to give a Domme my allotment than it is to put it in the gas tank and the gas station for eating...etc etc.. Why Me? Or has this email been sent to dozens of potential Dominas seeking live-in boys? Is it anyplace you might be able to get a free roof over your head? no. i do not send the-same-thing to every skirt on the net. never did never will. each Lady is different and so are my emails. Special needs, special diet (food), special cleaning products, and you know the best way. Well, I have news. It is My house, and My life. And that makes it My way or the highway. so does that mean You will not allow for special diets due to health? i hope i see wrong here. does that mean You have no trust in someone's ability when they have been doing hard work for 30 yrs as a pro commercial cleaner?...i hope that is not true. if You want it Yo9ur way...You have to come outside and show me what YOU want then coz otherwise i do it like i am used to doing it and try not to waste man hours or money.. I am looking for stability and good character. The loyalty, honesty and obedience will naturally follow. But it takes a little bit of time to make these determinations. So tell Me why you are stable and of good character. And then tell Me why you want this lifestyle, and what makes you suitable for both the lifestyle and Me. suitable? no one knows but You. no one can read Your mind. but i can guarantee that i am real, and 150% honest...and can prove what i say...i sent You references once... I don't write to boys. they write to Me. So if you wrote to Me in the first place, there must be something that made you think W/we might be a match. Just tell Me! tell You? tell you what? i already said in previous emails that i liked some of the things i seen in Your profile.. and i said i had no problems relocating but to be a live-out slave, would be a long time coming..due to the $$.. i have no idea what it costs to live there...i tried once to get into a housing area that was supposed to be, for elderly and disabled but they will not talk to me coz i am not 62 and over...even though i am disabled...money is money...what do they care?...but it happened. Ms gold? i do not know what YOU want or think YOU need...but i can guaqrantee "I" will give any Ms 150% effort of my blood, sweat and tears. i did it in calif. with my 1st Ms...i bled when i got hurt in the yard, i sweated in the summer heat, and i had tears of pain from sore muscles and a tired a body...so i know what i am talking about. digging up someone's septic tanks took me 3 days to do in the hard baked clay and sand...in calif.!!! and took me less than 1/2 hour to cover it again after the truck came..which "I" paid for!! "I" gave my 1st MS $50 k ...because i wanted Her happy!!! tell me about character!!! thank You Yours, in submission,,,as much as is possible to do... houseboy aka garylee in iowa...still looking for Ms Right While your eagerness is obvious, you have to realize that sometimes you come off as nearly hostile in your frustrations. You also still are vague in so many areas, have avoided questions in this thread and others. You have mentioned numerous times you have a disability, but don't say what it is, and don't have it in your profile. Any woman considering taking you as a live-in houseboy needs to know that. You first stated you had no expectations, then said you hoped eventually a houseboy relationship would evolve into something more. Do you realize how COMPLETELY this changes the picture for your prospective femdom? You mention bailing friends (?) out of jail, and living in a van. You mention being taken advantage of by various people because of your honesty, yet don't seem to learn from these experiences. A lack of common sense is dangerous -- would a woman want you to be in her house? Have the keys to her house? Trust your friends (in/out of jail?). These are SERIOUS things to consider when what you are seeking is to be in someone's house. All you do is stomp your feet and say how no one treats you fair and you have the most exceptional pedigree as a houseboy. Personally, you come across as a little off-center, not up front and potentially volatile -- not a combination I would want in my house with my personal belongings. It would make me nervous that if you did not get what you thought* you deserved in regards to attention or whatnot, you'd blow a fuse. At the same time, because you are not clear about things, it would be an even bigger risk. Passive aggressive? Akasha

krikket -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/26/2005 5:30:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2 And let's not leave out the dominants... "will go at your own pace" "limits will be respected" "Be firm and expect obedience" Etc. and..my all time favorite (especially when the person is still a virtual stranger) is "tell me how you will serve ME!!"..lol cheers jimini

LadyAngelika -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/26/2005 5:53:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: krikket quote: ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2 And let's not leave out the dominants... "will go at your own pace" "limits will be respected" "Be firm and expect obedience" Etc. and..my all time favorite (especially when the person is still a virtual stranger) is "tell me how you will serve ME!!"..lol cheers jimini Why must you mean girls mock my pick up lines? sobs - LA

goodhouseboy -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/26/2005 5:58:07 PM)
quote: Akasha ------ i can but only apologize for my writings,,, i have no idea how i sound or look to others... i am but as i see it...in my eyes...a very simple man, with simple ways. if i sound frustrated i am sorry. or any other way i did not intend. what i state as MY facts,,,and someone else says it looks like a hate letter?...i am sorry. i have no idea about it. i just say..look,,here is my case scenario...this is how i judge my trust level...this is how i prove my honesty...etc etc. i must apologize i guess.. and i was not/ am not/ aware i am obligated to answer every little question or comment someone makes. i am sorry. you have-to understand..i am out here living straight vanilla and i type these letters just like i was talking to you in kmart or sears...i hide nothing..i hold back nothing...i was never told i had to. if you or anyone else still has/have/ any misgivings... please? ask me explicit direct questions..not hidden inside a paragraph and i will answer anything everything to my best. Ms A i have but the most highest respect for You. i have tried to follow You on Your site for some time now...i am an admirer of Yours. please if you will....bear with me here and i will give every attempt to straighten things for everyone/One here. thank You garylee houseboy

CTclay -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/26/2005 8:02:20 PM)
quote: you come across as very intense and demanding. You expect things to be your way or not at all. I take it back, Lady Auburn. On rereading his post, he did come across as demanding. My mistake.

SweetDommes -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/26/2005 8:15:07 PM)
garylee - I'm curious, do you post under that name at another BDSM forum? You are seeming more and more familiar to me, and well ... I'm still not very impressed. If you are the same person, you attacked me for being quite clear about our desires in a house boy which you ignored, and I can understand why you are having trouble finding someone that is the right fit for you. You (again, assuming you are the same person) state in one place that you have no expectations, that you don't want to ever have sex with your Domme, but now say that you hope it would develop into that. I'm totally confused, and again, not impressed. You are quite hostile in general towards Dommes, and ... yeah ... I wouldn't want anyone who is that hostile towards me in my house, not to mention the other things that you have posted about.

CTclay -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/26/2005 8:15:19 PM)
quote: quote: I think an uncollared submissive should be able to state views strongly (intensely) on a message board without his submissiveness being called into question. I think a collared submissive should be able to do exactly the same thing. No? Well, of course that would depend on how the owner felt about it. But when I wrote that I was also thinking that a collared submissive is a representative of his or her owner and should be extra careful not to offend others for that reason. I always felt that way when I was owned. I just didn't feel free to act in a way that might offend anyone because that might cause some resentment against my domme. I'm thinking of strangers, not friends or close acquaintences. It wasn't something we ever discussed, now that I think about it. I just felt I always had to be careful about my behavior. I remember stating some strong opinions once -- nothing that should have offended anyone, now that I think about it -- but I worried later that I'd talked so aggressively that it offended the person I was talking with (even though she never indicated that). I don't feel very bad about that when I'm single, but if I'm under someone else I feel awful about it.

goodhouseboy -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 7:41:13 AM)
quote: garylee - I'm curious, do you post under that name at another BDSM forum? You are seeming more and more familiar to me, and well ... I'm still not very impressed. If you are the same person, you attacked me for being quite clear about our desires in a house boy which you ignored, and I can understand why you are having trouble finding someone that is the right fit for you. You (again, assuming you are the same person) state in one place that you have no expectations, that you don't want to ever have sex with your Domme, but now say that you hope it would develop into that. I'm totally confused, and again, not impressed. You are quite hostile in general towards Dommes, and ... yeah ... I wouldn't want anyone who is that hostile towards me in my house, not to mention the other things that you have posted about. ========================================== SweetDommes... i do not remember attacking....Your views as much as trying to understand why some people insist on age criteria...until You made mention You are not comfy with someone older than You are.. and i am not comfy with people younger than i am..i feel like i am teaching them facts of life that i have already been through.. yes yes yes...i am that one yes yes...i have had...and made mentioned...i have had several names...and been on several places including the yuppies at literotica.com. i try hard to explain myself.. if someone perceives it as an anger letter..i am not responsible for their views.. i state-my-case...and let it go. i type as i think...i type as i speak. i type just like i was talking to You at kmart or sears.. i speak plain and pull no punches. i am not obligated to anyone anywhere to do anything i do not wanna do. i use my freedom of the press and freedom of speech that i EARNED mind you...not given to me..i did my time for my country overseas thank You very much.. i paid my debt to society...i had-to-earn MY rights... ==\ so.....if anyone here has a misreading of my letters...one more time..i will say i am sorry but i write it as i speak it and think it....if you feel i am being hostile..re read it again because i never...never..INTEND it to BE that way.. i do not have any patent textbook answers for you folks not reading as i type it...nothing is hostile...if it were...my gawd i would be cussing ranting raving carrying on...yadda please--please---please;;; everyone read me as just stating a case and a cause. okee dokee? thanks houseboy

EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 8:18:01 AM)
I think if someone needs to work that hard on making sure they don't offend people often, then they need to look at their own personality, attitude and communication style. Yes, as the Owners slave I post with that in mind, as an ambassador of him and his values to the places I post. But I don't worry about offending people. Some people will ALWAYS get offended, most people don't care. I certainly don't worry about ONLINE people being very offended. And the reality is, how I write and what I say generally makes sense, is logical and not written in a tone that is likely to inspire offense no matter what. I write to be clear and encourage communication. I don't worry much about being offensive or non-offensive and I usually look at the person who is feeling offended rather than the first person for the reasoning at fault. We don't control others posting, we do control our responses.

AAkasha -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 9:53:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: goodhouseboy quote: Akasha ------ i can but only apologize for my writings,,, i have no idea how i sound or look to others... i am but as i see it...in my eyes...a very simple man, with simple ways. if i sound frustrated i am sorry. or any other way i did not intend. what i state as MY facts,,,and someone else says it looks like a hate letter?...i am sorry. i have no idea about it. i just say..look,,here is my case scenario...this is how i judge my trust level...this is how i prove my honesty...etc etc. i must apologize i guess.. and i was not/ am not/ aware i am obligated to answer every little question or comment someone makes. i am sorry. you have-to understand..i am out here living straight vanilla and i type these letters just like i was talking to you in kmart or sears...i hide nothing..i hold back nothing...i was never told i had to. if you or anyone else still has/have/ any misgivings... please? ask me explicit direct questions..not hidden inside a paragraph and i will answer anything everything to my best. Ms A i have but the most highest respect for You. i have tried to follow You on Your site for some time now...i am an admirer of Yours. please if you will....bear with me here and i will give every attempt to straighten things for everyone/One here. thank You garylee houseboy Did the femdoms you met on your recent long trip invite you to meet them? What were your agreements regarding where you would stay and how long you would stay? Did they know already that you have a disability and what it entails? Did they know you live in a van? Did they know that you sought to serve them as a houseboy, and hopefully have it lead into a relationship? Akasha

SweetDommes -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 10:06:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: goodhouseboy SweetDommes... i do not remember attacking....Your views as much as trying to understand why some people insist on age criteria...until You made mention You are not comfy with someone older than You are.. and i am not comfy with people younger than i am..i feel like i am teaching them facts of life that i have already been through.. yes yes yes...i am that one yes yes...i have had...and made mentioned...i have had several names...and been on several places including the yuppies at literotica.com. okee dokee? thanks houseboy You did attack me - you were quite rude when I asked that you actually read our list of criteria - which was linked to from the same post where you saw that we were looking again - which just so happened to be located between two of your own posts on that thread. Not to mention that the post specifically stated that we were looking again, so male submissives between 24 - 34 should check our specific thread that the list is in, with the link right there. Then, in a very passive agressive manner (still without having read that we are going for compatability and that's why pretty much all of our criteria exist), you went to another thread and started bitching about how all Dommes were looking for ... was it young studs or young pups? If you don't want someone 1/2 your age, then why complain about Dommes who are 1/2 your age looking for someone else 1/2 your age? I am seeing a continuation of that same type of behaviour, and honestly, I can give you a 90% assurance about why you can't find someone who is "serious" - and this is it. If I saw someone with a profile that fit our qualifications at least in the basics and thought "hey, that sounds kinda like what we're looking for, I'll message him and see where it goes" and then came here to see that same person posting like you have been posting - I would unsend that message if possible, and tell him that things had changed and we were no longer interested if he had already read it. Oh, and like you, I'm pretty blunt and honest, but I don't have to do a ton of backtracking to appologise for offending people, mostly because I also understand the value of tact.

goodhouseboy -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 1:16:49 PM)
quote: I think if someone needs to work that hard on making sure they don't offend people often, then they need to look at their own personality, attitude and communication style. EmeraldSlave2 i can but say one thing..i have always been rough around the edges..it is my fault i guess for running around and being a street urchin..i am not part of the nice polite society...and probably never will be. and no i do not expect one single person on this planet to understand...what i DO wish for is if i have-to accept everyone else as they are...i think it only fair everyone accept me as i am...a middle aged ole dude that has a lot of life experience and has not been "broken" per se in s/m life. i am only..a houseboy of domestics...and have a natural way of saying my peace...but i do not attack anyone for their views..like it is done to me... i am told,,this is spose-to-be a loving accepting lifestyle? or was i lied to...maybe this is no more than a junior high classroom? i left literotica for thaqt reason..too many cliqueish people.... houseboy

goodhouseboy -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 1:19:38 PM)
quote: Did the femdoms you met on your recent long trip invite you to meet them? yes What were your agreements regarding where you would stay and how long you would stay? yes Did they know already that you have a disability and what it entails? ]yes Did they know you live in a van? yes Did they know that you sought to serve them as a houseboy, and hopefully have it lead into a relationship? i never have asked...for more..i just hope someday i may BE more to be a TOTAL service slave...everyone i talk to knows i am a houseboy and have discussed in length on the phone.. Akasha have a good day Ms A garylee _____________________________

SweetDommes -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 1:42:05 PM)
You may think what you want about literotica, but if you are willing to listen to advice, not consistantly contradict yourself and then get upset when people ask for clarification, etc. the people there are quite nice. I believe your problem was that you made a number of posts that conflicted with each other, and when asked for clarification, you got very defensive (as you have here). Yes, there are cliques there, there are here too - it happens, it's a part of life. But it is not that difficult to get into them there - we did, and others have as well. Perhaps it is not the sole resposibility of the 'cliques' that you did not fit in there.

BeachMystress -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 2:39:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: goodhouseboy my problem is when are the Ms.' going to be open and honest and stop hiding things? when do the Ms.' stop pretending they are real when there are game players out there? when do the Ms become 100% loyal keep a boy even when ideas/ideals are not eye to eye? is there a Ms out there that can handle a boy that is a full grown man, able to do anything he puts his mind to, with life experience to back it up, and not some inexperienced young kid looking for thrills? i need to find 'a' Ms. that is as real life as "I" am,...but it would SEEM so far, since 2001,..only 1 woman has been able to do that....not very good odds as i see it!!! My problem is when are the "subs" going to be open and honest and stop hiding things? When do they stop pretending they are real when they are mostly men who have submissive fantasy rather than ever having served. When do they become loyal and ... sighs This is a problem on all sides. While you hear that subs are a "dime a dozen" or you hear the quoted statistics of 1 Domme to every 50 subs, that includes all the players and wankers. I feel the real statistics are more like 1 Domme to every 10 subs. Yes, there are still more subs than Domme, but it is hard for Domme to find those couple real ones in the midst of those who claim to be submissive. I understand that subs have to sort through the bored housewife, money grubbers and psychotic bitches to find someone. Domme have to sort through the same sort of thing. And yes, your odds suck.

SweetDommes -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 2:45:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BeachMystress While you hear that subs are a "dime a dozen" or you hear the quoted statistics of 1 Domme to every 50 subs, that includes all the players and wankers. I feel the real statistics are more like 1 Domme to every 10 subs. Yes, there are still more subs than Domme, but it is hard for Domme to find those couple real ones in the midst of those who claim to be submissive. I understand that subs have to sort through the bored housewife, money grubbers and psychotic bitches to find someone. Domme have to sort through the same sort of thing. And yes, your odds suck. I think the ratio is more like 1 Domme to 100+ if you count all the wankers rolls eyes and they all think that we want them just because they want us.

CTclay -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 10:11:26 PM)
quote: I think if someone needs to work that hard on making sure they don't offend people often, then they need to look at their own personality, attitude and communication style. Hmmmmm. Interesting point. Have to think about that. Right now I'm wondering if I was more concerned about not offending than I needed to be. quote: Yes, as the Owners slave I post with that in mind, as an ambassador of him and his values to the places I post. But I don't worry about offending people. Some people will ALWAYS get offended, most people don't care. I certainly don't worry about ONLINE people being very offended. And the reality is, how I write and what I say generally makes sense, is logical and not written in a tone that is likely to inspire offense no matter what. That may be a more realistic attitude. But I find that any discussion in written form has the potential to be misinterpreted, especially when opinions differ. So I try to be mindful of that. Maybe I'm too sensitive about that. What I was referring to before were social events, not postings, and social events have a different dynamic. Discussions here are more geared toward exchanging ideas; at social events you hope everyone is happy and, when you can, you try to encourage that. I felt as an owned submissive that I had more responsibility to do that -- to help make the atmosphere more enjoyable in small ways, because it was an indirect way of helping my domme enjoy herself more. Thanks for your post. You gave me some things to think about. quote: I write to be clear and encourage communication. I don't worry much about being offensive or non-offensive and I usually look at the person who is feeling offended rather than the first person for the reasoning at fault. We don't control others posting, we do control our responses.

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/27/2005 11:38:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: goodhouseboy Ms gold? i do not know what YOU want or think YOU need...but i can guaqrantee "I" will give any Ms 150% effort of my blood, sweat and tears. i did it in calif. with my 1st Ms...i bled when i got hurt in the yard, i sweated in the summer heat, and i had tears of pain from sore muscles and a tired a body...so i know what i am talking about. digging up someone's septic tanks took me 3 days to do in the hard baked clay and sand...in calif.!!! and took me less than 1/2 hour to cover it again after the truck came..which "I" paid for!! "I" gave my 1st MS $50 k ...because i wanted Her happy!!! tell me about character!!! thank You Yours, in submission,,,as much as is possible to do... houseboy aka garylee in iowa...still looking for Ms Right garylee, it is important for you to know that I was not addressing you personally, other than My initial comment about hoping things were going better for you. I have sent you a note (as is proper) on the other side. I did not intend for My comments to make you angry, and I hope you will understand that I was addressing boys in general, not you in particular.

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