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goodhouseboy -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/28/2005 7:53:06 AM)

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garylee, it is important for you to know that I was not addressing you personally, other than My initial comment about hoping things were going better for you.
I have sent you a note (as is proper) on the other side. I did not intend for My comments to make you angry, and I hope you will understand that I was addressing boys in general, not you in particular.


Ms Gold?

i am so so sorry You feel i am mad at You...i have tried to be very respectful...i wish i knew what i said or how i said it...i have nothing but dire respect for You,...and people like SweetDommes, and Ms Akasha...a few of those that are able to speak to me like i am an actual human being...unlike some ads i answered asking me to buy houses and new cars and had one tell me i should help her move 4 states away...
i am telling You folks...there are some real doozies out there..
and they make it look bad for the good Ones.
i talked to 'a' Gal,...asked if i would send Her a gp picture//// so i did...and while She downloaded..my picture with my dog jake...She found some guy sent Her a XXX picture without a face in it...just a name...it is SO bad...dommes and some guy subs...
why does mankind do this? these are supposed to be adults?....it scares me.

have a great day --all You Ladies that have spent time talking and are not afraid to treat a male slave like a human.
and i can but apologize for those guys sending out XXX pix. i find it disgusting..

10am and i am bored silly.
garylee



dprsub -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/28/2005 7:05:19 PM)

To answer the original question: I had never thought about that, but I can certainly see your point of view. In fact, if two dozen people all said the same thing as the next to me, whatever they're saying would seem pretty meaningless to me, too.

That being said, I would think the reason why those three qualities pop up so often is that they're associated with being a "good" submissive, at least to this submissive's eyes. So if D/s is on the brain and a Dom(me) asks about positive qualities, the submissive's response will probably be good D/s qualities.

Oh, sure, any submissive should be "loyal", and "obedient".... but many are not. Also, when it comes to things like obedience... some people like playful brattiness/disobedience, so the submissive might try to be telling you that he/she is the kind to keep themselves in line for you.



darkinshadows -> RE: Throwaway Qualities in Subs (4/28/2005 7:05:42 PM)

M'Lady AAkasha...

Thank You for such an interesting topic.
From my personal point of view, If asked... I would hope that my response would never be 'I am OBEDIENT , LOYAL , HONEST...' Because, surely, these are three things that are as it should be, whatever the relationship. I would be wary of someone who constantly embarks on the 'I am always honest' stance... because to me, that conjurs up an impression that the person is closed to the potential of their own abilities.

If asked, I would instead explain my thirst for knowledge. That is what drives me... that is what allows me to be open to the training a Dominant will offer me, should they so wish. The undeniable urge to learn so that I can reach the potential I can be.

I continuously hear and read the words from submissive types of 'I am loyal and well behaved, I am trustworthy, I am well trained, i will admit mistakes, but I rarely make them, I never need to be punished, etc'

My question would be to the Dominants about these also, if I may be so bold to ask you all. How do these words effect you?
As a submissive woman, I see those words and think that for me... they seem so boring for a Dominant to have to read?

Loyal and trustworthy - IMO... should just be a necessary not a quality.

Behaviour - Is not for a submissive to decide, that is the Dominants decision. Not all think the same behaviour is the correct behaviour?

Well trained - Fine, this is a good quality, but it doesn't show willingness to learn. If I was released tomorrow, I would leave with the very best training, but what may be right for Demon, for another might be insignificant. Would a Dominant not want a submissive/slave needing to be trained to their specific requirement?

Never need punishments? - well, depending on ones stance: that is either extremely boring or puts in my mind a sheep.

Rarely makes mistakes? - Again, not for the submissive to decide IMO. There are times where I may do something that I deem is fine, and Demon disagrees. Now I could argue, I am right... and be shocked and disillusioned that someone finds me wrong. But that isn't what I am. I am Demons, and in such, He decides if my actions are wrong. He knows what is safest for me. What will achieve my potential. My Growth is in His hands.

To assume my 'perfection' would be IMO, taking away the value of the training that could be offered to me. I am a submissive woman and I am to become the embodiment of my Dominants' (Demons) Desires. I am my own person, yet I am part of Him. My mind is His, although it is mine.
Because all that I am able to be, able to submit, able to comprehend is because of my Dominant.

Peace and Love



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