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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/19/2007 2:26:24 AM   
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Whiplashsmile........My post missed that one........"the liar".  I could add a #11 as well for someone who lies when the truth would have been as good.  I bet that is something real high now on your internal radar after that experience.

Thank you MzMia for your wonderful insight and to EVERYONE willing to share their personal experiences and criteria.  I appreciate all the input.

My intention of this post was to draw attention to what we do proactively in our search and what questions or attitudes we use or look for when determining red flags.  I understand each relationship is unique as well as I do not have a checklist per say or want to make snap or hasty decisions. The majority of us have issues by the age of 30, or we have not been living.  I do have things I look out for and know some types of circumstances just wont work out for me.    There are some things I ask to clear up some red flags that may be issues later.  There are alot of hindsight threads here --that is why I wanted to throw a proactive one out there in the mix....I want to learn from your wisdom and what your criteria is and how you go about finding  information out (what type of questions do you specific ask when targeting an issue important to you) in a proactive stance.

Another thing that would apply to this thread is something that you've discovered in a past relationship that you are more aware to avoid or be attracted to after having a relationship experience as an added criteria (pro or con). 

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/19/2007 8:55:44 AM   
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Wow....  I'm just going to back away cautiously and be thankful for the anonymity of the internet.


Your post begs the question :  if things are so perfect and wonderful, if your methodology was so precise, then why on earth are you "divorced but best friends"?

... never mind.  I'm sure your therapist has some amazing theories.  Please go explore them in detail.

... such attitude in the face of no reason.  Issues, my dear?  Oh yes.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/19/2007 2:36:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

Wow....  I'm just going to back away cautiously and be thankful for the anonymity of the internet.


Your post begs the question :  if things are so perfect and wonderful, if your methodology was so precise, then why on earth are you "divorced but best friends"?

... never mind.  I'm sure your therapist has some amazing theories.  Please go explore them in detail.

... such attitude in the face of no reason.  Issues, my dear?  Oh yes.


LOL, yes back FAR away, please.
We are not married-----because I no longer wanted to be married!
We had no children, so guess what? we left on amicable terms.

I have a close girl friend, whose divorced parents often get together for family
events, share a ride, etc.  I always thought it was cute they get along.
I forgot to make snarky comments.
Yes, my ex also helps my family members, he is remodeling my sis in laws basement.
He fixes all our computers, aint that nice.
Isn't it great to have a computer expert that makes house calls?
I love the abuse from strangers, make my day.

P.S.- I am proud of the fact we are friends, because it IS unusual.
Have a great day!

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/19/2007 2:38:26 PM   
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Whiplashsmile........My post missed that one........"the liar".  I could add a #11 as well for someone who lies when the truth would have been as good.  I bet that is something real high now on your internal radar after that experience.

Thank you MzMia for your wonderful insight and to EVERYONE willing to share their personal experiences and criteria.  I appreciate all the input.

My intention of this post was to draw attention to what we do proactively in our search and what questions or attitudes we use or look for when determining red flags.  I understand each relationship is unique as well as I do not have a checklist per say or want to make snap or hasty decisions. The majority of us have issues by the age of 30, or we have not been living.  I do have things I look out for and know some types of circumstances just wont work out for me.    There are some things I ask to clear up some red flags that may be issues later.  There are alot of hindsight threads here --that is why I wanted to throw a proactive one out there in the mix....I want to learn from your wisdom and what your criteria is and how you go about finding  information out (what type of questions do you specific ask when targeting an issue important to you) in a proactive stance.

Another thing that would apply to this thread is something that you've discovered in a past relationship that you are more aware to avoid or be attracted to after having a relationship experience as an added criteria (pro or con). 


Okay, back to OP
Ur2B, I like your topic 11 reasons, I might have to add a # 12

later on, can't think of anything right now.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/19/2007 3:53:23 PM   
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In a nutshell.  What I look for when considering a Dom?

Nothing less then someone who inspires me.

This may sound strange at face value, but I find quite honestly, if I am not inspired by a person, I am not going to be honestly submissive with them.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/21/2007 7:39:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

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ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

I found the Passive Aggressive Dom thread to be a real eye opener for me and very informative. I did not want to hijack that thread.
I wonder how many people who suffer from this (passive aggressive disorder or any suppossive neurotic order) would be able, inclined, or mentally equipped to recognize a problem. It got me thinking to how we recognize red flags in a relationship or potential relationship.  Are we proactive or reactive?  I think we all have a tendency, at least I do, to morph off and have a moment of regret.  The patterns people display are more telling. 

In a proactive approach, what is your basic criteria when seeking a mate particularly in this lifestyle?

Here are a few of mine:
1) I like to ask about past relationships.  I am not so interested in the relationships as I am to his/her role in the relationship and how he/she treats pass partners. Simply to find out if the person is always a victim in relationships or displays any symptoms of grandiosity. If the last few relationships were really bad and entirely the other person's fault, that is a big red flag.

2) If they identify as a Sadist, I want to know exactly how they relate to that term and not just what he/she is labeled as.   I think there is a distinct difference between consensual sensual pain and a desire to inflict real pain and harm.  I dont tend to think that all people see the two distinctly.

3) Can one admit to mistakes in everyday life?  Is one constantly defending the actions in a self-righteous way? Does he/she displays any signs of responsibility and fair judgement? Questions about his/her job can be helpful in this.

4) How does he/she react to confrontation in a conversation?  I want to know if they cope by retreating or by having an honest open dialogue.  Does he/she have difficulty in OCDing and have a tendency to rehash past experiences?

It is funny, but I dont necessarily look for someone with similar "lifestyle" (sorry not enough coffee yet to think of a better word) interests.  I find that the best Dominant/sub experiences I have are with people who did not necessarily fit my sensual activities criteria (people vary).  If the chemistry is right, I am open to new things (for the most part).  5) Is having the same sensual interests part of your criterial for you search?  Needless to say exploring the same interests is fine......it is more of a question to how highly you might rate it on your criteria for finding a mate.

6) When seeking a Dominant, I want to know if they want things his/her way or if he/she has any concern for submissive's welfare.  I am not seeking a tyrant.

7) I try to access if I truly admire a person and seek out a person with character.  It is very important in my criteria to find someone I truly adore as opposed to me "roleplaying" a submissive. I like to learn about a person's childhood and their struggles.

8)I also tend to be suspicious of someone who is too caught up in labels.  Just because someone slaps on labels or hasnt slap on labels for that matter has no bearing on me.  I want to make/form my own opinion on whether someone has qualities.....not have someone list them in a font as "proof".  (I am a hypocrite see #2)

9)Does relationships to family members play a role in your criteria?

I know that balance is key to all things.  I know that people want things like humor, empathy, and intelligence...but I am asking about criteria and questions you base/access judgements or red flags on a potential mate.    This may be common sense to some, but I am genuinely curious to what other's criteria might be as an added insight in a future search. 

10)Do you based your criteria (red flags) as you go along or before you initiate the relationship? 

Thanks for any insight on this--I enjoy the different perspectives from this board.


Wonderful post, I get to know a person WELL before I meet them real-time.
I want to know all the 10 points you have listed and  more , if you are seeking more
than a good time and a play partner  it is hard  to KNOW too much about a person.
**Great thing I always thought I would love to be a detective**
Well I play my own detective when it comes down to me and my life.
Funny I have never heard anyone complain they knew too much about someone they met or
wanted to get involved with.
 It takes time to get to know someone, find out how they really are and live and to get details,
I don't know of any shortcuts.
Of course I don't expect to everything prior to meeting, but I want to know a certain amount to even
bother or feel comfortable enough to meet them.
I feel as you do on this, I take people seriously who I want to bring into my space, my world, or my life.
  Yet so many are eager to jump into meeting and relationships, amazing and amusing, great post.


Wow, a lot of eye-opening thoughts here. Funny how many things we look for in another person when we think about it, but oftentimes never take our own advice when the moment arrives.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/21/2007 7:48:14 PM   
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Wow, a lot of eye-opening thoughts here. Funny how many things we look for in another person when we think about it, but oftentimes never take our own advice when the moment arrives.
 

I agree Kitte9--thanks for your input:
It is much easier to be Monday night  quarterback on the boards when discerning someone else's problems. 
I dont  know if this will make much sense to anyone, but emotions provide very little to logical to my thoughtsthoughts.  In short, intense emotions can blind us when we need to see clearly


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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/21/2007 9:25:38 PM   
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I tend to be both proactive in my questions and also simply let things unfold as I experience it with the person I am dealing with.   The person may not being telling us everything about their past.  Because it may involve shame or embrassment.  The thing that carries the most weight is how they behave or how I behave interacting with them.   If I find myself troubled or bothered about something, I try to express it, what I am feeling or thinking and why I am thinking it.  There are times when I'm uncertain about it, I will simply not say anything while I try to figure out what is going on.  Because it's often easy to rush into judgement and even harder to take that judgement back.  Words carry a lot of weight.

I think your nine areas of concern are great in knowing what you are not looking for.  I know I have several things that I'm not looking for out of a partner!  Things that will not be a good match or conflict will occur.  I'd rather avoid getting caught up in a bad relationship.   To be fair to myself and the other person.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/21/2007 11:18:29 PM   
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wow thanks a lot for this thread.  most of the things that you listed would be things that i concidered "red flags" as well but it makes it easier to identify when it is written out as a list in front of you, rather than trying to intuit it out.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 2:09:36 AM   
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[I agree Kitte9--thanks for your input:
It is much easier to be Monday night  quarterback on the boards when discerning someone else's problems. 
I dont  know if this will make much sense to anyone, but emotions provide very little to logical to my thoughtsthoughts.  In short, intense emotions can blind us when we need to see clearly



Wow man, did I butcher that......it should read, " emotions provide very little logic to my thought process or in my critical decision making"......I perhaps should have went to bed earlier last night......sheez!

Thanks again......to all who've contributed to this board.

Be well

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 2:57:33 AM   
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There is a part of me that is a natural smart ass. I'm fighting with him, right now because the jokes that I could throw out ...
 
I promise not to go into the entire list but, for me, simple, basic, principles of conduct apply.
 
Honesty
Integrity
Spirituality
Respect
Personal courage
 
(okay, the smart-ass is winning)
 
Oh! And it doesn't hurt if she has red hair and a REALLY nice ass!
 
 
 
 
Peace and comfort,
 
 
 
 
Michael

(Edited to change "heart" to "hurt")

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 3:06:09 AM   
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There isn't much that is meaningful and tangible, though, without the opportunity to gaze across the table and into a pair of live, expressive eyes.

Who hasn't fell for words on a page, or all the right answers?


Smile.  Who has not fell for a pair of bedroom eyes from across the table?

But yes, I do agree there is nothing like looking into someone's eyes.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 4:01:39 AM   
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(Ahhh, looking into the eyes with candle light flickering in them.)

Deciding whether or not a person is right for you is a process of getting to know each other. Your list covers many things that will be discovered during that time when you are not committed to each other.

One item on your list that sticks out a bit to me is the one of asking about past relationships. I’m not sure that is beneficial, plus it will all come out with time as you come to understand the other and can view it in a different light. I’m not sure I want to know right off the bat if she used to be a hooker outside the Navy Base or something. With time as I get to know and trust her, I may listen to past trials with a more sympathetic ear.

One last thing, about the sadist. I think most of us who like to give pain (sadists) are very careful with it. It is what the lifestyle is all about… consensual. It is a matter of teaching her to like the pain, grow into and knowing exactly how far to take it and that can only be learned by knowing each other well.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 5:07:47 AM   
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I don't believe in the idea that people have personalities or that there's any such thing as a personality that is somehow lodged in the individual.  I'm a symbolic interactionist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_interactionism), and look at how selves emerge in the process of interacting with other selves. 

Practically speaking, when looking for a mate, I don't have specific criteria.  I am more concerned to find out if they can sustain an interaction over a period of time, and what becomes of me in the process of interacting with them. I tend to take things on a case by case basis, and use evolving criteria as I  have found that I can meaningfully relate to a wide variety of divergent sorts of people and get something out of it.  Most important to me early on is whether they can communicate what they want and how they're understanding whats going on between us.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 8:04:50 AM   
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Concerns or criteria?.......it is the same to me perhaps my word choice was incorrectly chosen. :(

An effective piece of the puzzle on being proactive when seeking a mate  is of course communication.  There is a very great thread recently started that relates somewhat to this topic and has a much more efficient list on communication. 
EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION
http://www.collarchat.com/m_971836/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#971943

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 9:56:22 AM   
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There isn't much that is meaningful and tangible, though, without the opportunity to gaze across the table and into a pair of live, expressive eyes.

Who hasn't fell for words on a page, or all the right answers?


Smile.  Who has not fell for a pair of bedroom eyes from across the table?

But yes, I do agree there is nothing like looking into someone's eyes.


Truth.  One can fall for a pair of eyes in person.  The advantage of real time is that you can see the eyes for yourself.  In the end, all we have to go by are our wits and senses anyway.

Online, one can imagine one sees all sorts of things. 

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 12:02:21 PM   
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Wonderful list, I want to add # secretive and not opening up, yet they want
a relationship.  Women often give a lot of themselves to men that want a
relationship, but don't want to disclose a lot of personal information.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 12:17:28 PM   
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I'm assuming you're responding to me and not hitting fast reply.

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An effective piece of the puzzle on being proactive when seeking a mate is of course communication.


Right.  The conception of interaction that underlies my approach is basically dialogical and emphasizes communication oriented towards reaching an understanding.  Often those conversations miscarry for a variety of reasons and an understanding is never reached.  I'm learning to pay more attention early on to this kind of thing.  Basically, its a question of whether or not I can have a comfortable conversation with someone.


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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 5:39:30 PM   
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Online, one can imagine one sees all sorts of things. 


I agree I did not mean to imply that I was seeking or this topic strictly implied a cyber relationship....  Intuition and observation is of course all par for the course... as well as circumstances and struggles come into play.......There are simply things that I look for now that I perhaps did not when I was younger and so forth.  I attempt to avoid and learn from past mistakes and wanted addtional insight.  This thread means nothing else.

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RE: PROACTIVE: Criteria in Seeking Your Mate - 4/22/2007 6:34:39 PM   
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I didn't make the inference that anyone was seeking online relationships, or anything of that nature at all.... not at all sure what you mean by this.

My point was simply how one's mind fills in blanks that online interaction necessarily suffers from.  We imagine qualities, since we have observed only in a limited context.

Nothing more.



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