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truesub4u -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 10:38:55 AM)

I've been gone awhile, but it seems new ones have taken over the older ones when it comes to this. I use to think that way of a few on here myself. And if I disagreed with them..I was practically flogged verbally. Now I just smile and ignore them.. or better yet.. thump back when in the mood. 



myobedience -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:06:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Anybody else feel a desperate urge to beat some sense into people like this?


why?   use all the energy you can and then have nothing for yourself or your one.



Celeste43 -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:10:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

And what exactly do you think I am doing?


Being funny as hell and making me laugh. Thankfully I didn't have a drink here.

I had no idea this would hit such a nerve with people, I just was extremely irritated and needed to vent. Thanks folks.



myobedience -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:15:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

And what exactly do you think I am doing?


Being funny as hell and making me laugh. Thankfully I didn't have a drink here.

I had no idea this would hit such a nerve with people, I just was extremely irritated and needed to vent. Thanks folks.


Feel better about it now?
Got time to do anything fun?  Inspiring?



FreeDomNVT -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:20:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Lately it seems like any thread I read has a post from a wannabe dom who is patronizing as hell. He goes about telling people who do not submit to him what they have to do in order to be a good sub/slave. And then pats others on the head when they say something he approves of.
 
gorean, perhaps?  That exact behavior seems to be exhibited over and over in that arena.  The submissives who participate in it (even those who don't really identify as gorean) amaze me with their tolerance of it. 

I never agreed to submit to everybody, only to one.
Hell, I'm supposed to only submit to my One and not to anyone else. Yet this creature feels he has the right to order every sub on the site around.

Again, perhaps he is gorean.  That seems to be the prevailing mindset with those who identify as such. 

Anybody else feel a desperate urge to beat some sense into people like this?

More so to do some reprogramming.


FreeDom



FreeDomNVT -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:21:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

<Holds up picket sign>
 
We choose who we give power to; don't empower fools [:D]
 
smile for the cause,
~curious~
 
It's interesting that you would refer to a dom such as this as a "fool" when, by catering to the goreans as you so often do, you are doing just that: empowering them.
 
FreeDom



curiouslyseeking -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:24:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FreeDomNVT

quote:

ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

<Holds up picket sign>
 
We choose who we give power to; don't empower fools [:D]
 
smile for the cause,
~curious~
 
It's interesting that you would refer to a dom such as this as a "fool" when, by catering to the goreans as you so often do, you are doing just that: empowering them.
 
FreeDom




Greetings FreeDom...
 
So you keep up with my catering company?  (laughing)...
 
A fool is a fool is a fool..no matter what overcoat he wears.  (grin)..
 
be well,
~curious~



FreeDomNVT -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:30:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

quote:

ORIGINAL: FreeDomNVT

quote:

ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

<Holds up picket sign>
 
We choose who we give power to; don't empower fools [:D]
 
smile for the cause,
~curious~
 
It's interesting that you would refer to a dom such as this as a "fool" when, by catering to the goreans as you so often do, you are doing just that: empowering them.
 
FreeDom




Greetings FreeDom...
 
So you keep up with my catering company?  (laughing)...
 
A fool is a fool is a fool..no matter what overcoat he wears.  (grin)..
 
be well,
~curious~

All the "laughing" and "grinning" aside....do you see my point? 



curiouslyseeking -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:32:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FreeDomNVT

All the "laughing" and "grinning" aside....do you see my point? 


All the laughing and grinning aside.  I do not see your point.
 
~curious~



FreeDomNVT -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:45:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

quote:

ORIGINAL: FreeDomNVT

All the "laughing" and "grinning" aside....do you see my point? 


All the laughing and grinning aside.  I do not see your point.
 
~curious~

Such a shame - I thought it was spot on.



curiouslyseeking -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:47:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FreeDomNVT

quote:

ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

quote:

ORIGINAL: FreeDomNVT

All the "laughing" and "grinning" aside....do you see my point? 


All the laughing and grinning aside.  I do not see your point.
 
~curious~

Such a shame - I thought it was spot on.


FreeDom,
I actually have sympathy for you in your blind ignorance.  I shall not empower you.
 
Have a most wonderful day,
~curious~



PrincessEllie -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 12:51:40 PM)

Egads, I know exactly what you mean! It pisses me off so much when someone comes up to me and says "I'm a Dom, and since you're a subbie you have to submit to me right now or you're not real."

The only thing worse than that is telling someone you're not interested in the least...REPEATEDLY and their first response is something rude and of a sexual nature indicating that you don't know what you're talking about.



Thadius -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 1:06:00 PM)

Afternoon,

quote:

ORIGINAL: FreeDomNVT

quote:

ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

<Holds up picket sign>
 
We choose who we give power to; don't empower fools [:D]
 
smile for the cause,
~curious~
 
It's interesting that you would refer to a dom such as this as a "fool" when, by catering to the goreans as you so often do, you are doing just that: empowering them.
 
FreeDom



I wouldn't mind a bit more clarification on this one... are you suggesting that Goreans are empowered by a single woman patronizing them or by catering to their whims? 

By the way welcome to the boards, if this is your first account.

I wish you well,
Thadius



FreeDomNVT -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 1:12:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking
FreeDom,
I actually have sympathy for you in your blind ignorance.  I shall not empower you.
~curious~

What, no "Master FreeDom?"  I'm disappointed (not).  There isn't any need at all for you to feel any sympathy for me, dear.  I choose to remain ignorant of certain things I have no use for.  I certainly don't need you to empower me in anyway.  Save all your energy for stroking the gorean egos - you'll need it.  It's a shame our exchange had to degenerate to this.  All I said was that I found it interesting that you would post and basically say that a dominant male who did the things the OP mentioned was "foolish."  Those behaviors jumped out at me as sounding like the behaviors exhibited by many (not all) of the goreans you seem to revere.  I was simply wondering why you would consider them foolish in this particular thread.  Believe me, I'm not at all ignorant of gorean philosophy.  I used to think it held some value.  I rethought that.  And FYI - gorean practices allow no place for a female to respond in such a "displeasing" way.  You must be able to tie that tongue in a knot, smile, and obey unblinkingly.  I don't like those particular characteristics in the women I involve in my life thus I progressed onward from subscribing to such philosophies.  All I was seeking was an honest response from you.  I'm not sure why you got so angry so quickly.  That's something you'll definitely have to work on should you wish to join the gorean masses.  Sincerely, FreeDom



FreeDomNVT -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 1:21:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius
I wouldn't mind a bit more clarification on this one... are you suggesting that Goreans are empowered by a single woman patronizing them or by catering to their whims? 
 
No, I don't think those behaviors are "empowering" at all, to anyone.  If you will carefully read my original statement, you will see that I am asking a serious question.  I have seen her post over and over in the gorean forum and she seems to be fully accepting of everything she finds there.  That is her business.  However, then on this thread when the OP mentioned irritating behaviors in some doms of late, I found those behaviors to be eerily similar to alot of the ones I have seen exhibited by some (not all) of the gorean posters.  CuriouslySeeking made a reply that indicated to accept those behaviors "empowers fools."  I found that to be at odds with her usual acceptance of what is said in the gorean forum.  Therefore, I stated that I found her reply interesting - which I did.  I actually found it at odds with her usual posts.  I stated that.  I did not attack her.  I was seeking a sincere answer.  She responded with flip, humorous statements (which is fine) but no answer either.  When I asked if she saw the point I was making, it quickly turned into a "you're ignorant for not agreeing with me" reply so "i pity you."  Such a shame.  That is not what I intended at all. 

By the way welcome to the boards, if this is your first account.
Typical "honorable" response.  I disagree so I must be a fake or a troll.  How sad.  I thought joining so I could post would be a good thing.  Thankfully, I know from reading months of posts that not everyone reacts so defensively when asked a question they do not like.
 
FreeDom




OnlyHis -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 1:35:09 PM)

celeste,  You realize this so called Dom has bad manners and whatever else. But... he is not worth you getting upset.  Just ignore him , likely you are not the only one who sees him for what he really is.



LadyHugs -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 1:37:11 PM)

Dear Celeste43, Ladies and Gentlemen;

In my mind's eyes I see, there are those who will grate individual nerves and or pluck the last remaining nerve one has.

So many times we (in a general sense) have seen examples where one group of individuals consider another group of individuals on the 'wrong side of the tracks,' per se when we (in general) use personal standards and measures in judgment.
That said--There will always be a need that causes a group to address it and empower it.  On a positive side of examples; The Red Cross -- During HRH Queen Victoria created the Red Cross around Florance Nightingale.  She saw a need and the group created was around seeing to a need and had many followers.  She set the standard and the soldiers created the the respect for her efforts in humanity.  At the period of the Civil War; we had Clara Barton who visited the battlefields and tended the wounded, that one step beyond Ms. Nightingale.  So, it is no different from BDSM support and education groups being formed, either growing, failing, expanding, breaking into smaller special interest groups and such.  So, in my mind's eyes--I see no different in individuals seeking a style to which they wish to subscribe to.

The collateral effect though, will be those many individuals who will be offended as they do not subscribe to the behaviors, mannerism and philosophies behind it all.
Fortunately, in a broad sense--we (in general) have a choice as adults to either subscribe to or not; those styles, philosophies and standards that create the current tapestry of many different colors, styles and special interests that are under the broad term or umbrella of 'community.'

There will be those who have a sense of entitlement regardless which side of the whip they are.   Some have not come to the realization that the only power one possesses is their own and all they can control is themselves.  Only when consent to join into that personal realm does another enter into those standards within that inner circle and or personal circle.

Only when an individual's spirit of intent is known behind the behavior and or attitude, will the individual present be able to judge for themselves how to perceive the attitude and behavior. 

A pat in of itself can be perceived in many ways depending on personal perception of what the intended act.  A person in a foul mood or already in their mind against such touch will see it negative no matter what the intentions of the person patting.  At times a gentle reminder needs to be surfaced that to touch another, one invades private space.  In this lifestyle/community in general; 'requests' that permission to touch is asked.  Asking can be done in many ways, to include silient exchanges which invites response.  Such as an offered hand. 

As with many things, its often a case of assumptions rather then operating on consent and invitation into personal space.  Each person has to decide how to handle people who act on assumptions and not on the recognition of individual power and consent to yield to another.

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



Thadius -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 1:54:57 PM)

Afternoon,

Actually I read a few of your statements, and the stereotypical ignorance that was shown in them was quite telling...  See comments about needing egos stroked...  Obviously you have found something of interest over in the Gorean Lifestyles section that has drawn you back for months to be reading her positions or that of others there. I actually found your first point to be rather vague and almost passive aggressive.  It did not convey the thought that you attempt to clarify in your response to me.

quote:

  By the way welcome to the boards, if this is your first account.
Typical "honorable" response.  I disagree so I must be a fake or a troll.  How sad.  I thought joining so I could post would be a good thing.  Thankfully, I know from reading months of posts that not everyone reacts so defensively when asked a question they do not like.



Did I state that you were a fake or a troll?  I simply welcomed you to the boards, if this was your first account, it was also obvious from your posts that you had at least been browsing threads here for some time to cast judgements on Curious.  Is there a reason that you felt so defensive about my welcoming you? 

Remember that whilst words are accurate most of the time in expressing our thoughts and ideas, that the person reading them is going to do so based on their feelings at that given moment.  Which can lead to other interpretations of what was written.

I wish you well,
Thadius

P.S.  I could use my ego stroked, where did those girls get off to?



PrincessEllie -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 1:57:43 PM)

I think Mr. FreeDom is firstly not making any sense and secondly being very rude.
I am suggesting that he thinks before he types.
Because right now he just looks silly.



fairerthanshe -> RE: Warning - Rant (4/19/2007 2:05:43 PM)

Greetings Master FreeDom,

fairer would like to respond to a couple of the issues which you have brought forth.  It is obvious that you have indeed been reading the forums and have visited the Gorean forum a time or two.  You are probably familiar with fairer's posting style and her attitudes on how to address the Free.  If not, there are many threads where she has spoken frankly about this issue.

The question that fairer would like to ask is why, when no one else tried to identify the person to whom Celeste referred, did you feel the need to state that it sounds like a Gorean.  It does not sound like a Gorean to fairer and this is why.  For the most part, Gorean Men do not feel the need to pat Free Women or slaves on the back each post.  When a Gorean Man compliments fairer on something she has stated - that is a compliment worth keeping for they are few and far between.  There are many arguements one could make about Gorean Men and their treatment of slaves, but mollycoddling is not one of them.

There is a great exchange of ideas between Gorean and non, Free and slaves, fools and wits each day on the Gorean forum.  fairer invites you to come and read.  she is not shy in defending that which she believes as she is quite outspoken on the boards.  You mentioned that you have had a chance to study Gor and have rejected it.  Gor is not for everyone. 

well wishes,

fairer than she



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