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leatherorlace -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 2:36:06 AM)

  The quote that, smcontrol gave us in his response is flawed, but, I'll only say that it's without merit as concerns Me and the practices that, I'm embrace closely. The flaw in the quote is that, I was extremely fortunate to have been mentored by two Masters much older than, I was at the time. Both were senior grade, one a Master Hospital Corpsman, the other an orthopedic surgeon, a captain by rank that had returned from the war as a changed enlisted Corpsman, used His GI bill to enter college and won His diploma in medicine.
  His attitude towards enlisted personnel reflected His rememberances of how others of higher ranks had treated Him prior to His finishing His studies, internship and a residency under another orthopod that had a deep appreciation for educated talent.
  I served as a Corpsman on the Captain's ward, and became acquainted with the Chief after He broke His femur trying to crank His old Knucklehead Harley without retarding the spark.  That drunken omission put Him in bed, on My ward for six months of traction and an additional six months in a one and a half Spica cast. A very limiting treatment, quite frustrating and heavy. The Chief's cast reached to just below His nipp's and down to His toes on one leg and just above the knee on the other with a cross-bar made between the two legs so that we could turn or lift Him when needed.
   The Chief was assigned a bed on My side of the ward and after some initial nervousness on My part ( A HMCM ) was a rank very need that of the god's, and finding out that He was a personal friend of the Captains didn't calm My anxiety of possibly dorking up. lol
   After five weeks of attending to Him and three other patients He began to explore My interest by inviting Me into His cubicle whenever He had female company mainly, but there were a few times that He inroduced Me to othet active duty of varying ranks. One of the staff nurses visited Him everyday, spent a great deal of her time attending to His bath, helped Me change His linens, massaged His exposed areas, and would close the curtains around them after she signaled her need for privacy.
  I've already gone to far to say that "I'll make this short" so, I'll be more brief before this missal turns into a tome. The Chief arranged for Me to maintain His Harley while He was hospitalized and made it clear to Me that those women that He asked Me to take for a Putt or Ride to meet their desires to pack on the back were avaliable for My use. I was in Hawg Heaven, at My tender age of eighteen, fairly fresh from the mountains of NW Georgia, not a virgin by any stretch of ones imagination (that's a lengthy story in its own)
but not totally confidient of My ability to be less of a dullard and cause them some interest in Me.
   I didn't know until a few months later that the Chief and Captain were grooming Me after they'd discussed My potential for being as They were.
   The women, the Harley, a few request to be spanked by the females, a few times, I was begged to spank harder and take them harder, too.
The first cast that we applied to the Chief following some x-rays that revealed that the femur had adequately calcified to permit the cast and a recouperative leave for two weeks. I was one of the Medics that loaded the Chief into the ambulance for the trip to His off-base quarters. I was probably the only one that didn't become tongut tied after we arrived and found several women anxiously, but happily awaiting His arrival, at the front of His spacious house.
  I had found that anytime that He made any comments of any kind, on any subject, I found Myself stopping and listening, even discussing or making any concerns or amazements known to Him so that, I wasn't deprived of complete understanding. The Captain was a bit of a tyrant towards any officers or senior NCO's that questioned His methods of treatment for the patients. I had witnessed and heard His His caustic persona more than once as He berated a nurse that had questioned His issuing an order for two cans of beer, three times a day for a patient that had very little appetite and had lost weight during his admission.
  I witnessed the kick that He placed in an arguemenative nurse supervisors ass after He overheard herloudly chastizing a nurse and Corpsman for taking longer to change a dressing, and the ensuining yelp of pain from the patients as the supervisor ripped the stuck dressing from his surgical site, She never returned to His ward, just as He demanded of her as she escaped His caustuc tongue.
  Both of these Men took care in advising and teaching Me the craft that they had developed over a couple of decades each in the Armed Forces. The Captain and Chief had served together at the Captains behest for many years. Both were appreciative of females, and they repeatedly schooled Me on their care and feeding.
  Of the females that My two Mentors shared with Me, I at first found the young firm bod's of three that were near of slightly older than My eighteen seasons. That held true for a month or two befor, I started to note that the older women were each capable of causing My interest in them to raise My libido whenever they served or "stood" for Me as I received My regimen of instructions from My Mentors.
  Pensacola was an adventure for Me before, I managed to impress My  Mentors accepting Me into training by My patient care and post-surgical treatments.
  What doea this abbreviated reply have to do with the subject of the initial post? Not an awful lot, but, I did want to comment on some of the generalizations here and to say that "I don't accept the PC notion that anyone can become whatever they want just by wishing and some reading and declaring themselves slave, submissive, switch, dominant, Master or the Greater Poo Bag of Poseurs".
  I'm very experienced, I have some recognized expertise with many of the tools and implements of My craft, I find it laughable whenever, I discover another eirhteen year old slave that'll soon be graduating from highschool and is seeking an experienced Master that's closer to her age.
  I find it somewhat amusing that is one reads enough profiles as, I do if there's any substance to them, there are those that treat My chosen lifestyle as a hunting ground for a spouse. Others are seeking to escape from any daily contact with the outside world, especially if they have missed any of the Oprah shows. My opinion is that this lifestyle isn't a place for those into escapeism unless they're wealthy enough to pay for the privilege of being owned by a dominant that is caring and protective and fully embraces His task of developing His property into a valuable possession that one can take pride in ownership, no matter the age (legal age only).\
  My hips are fine, too and even with the abundance of the passing seasons, I have seasoned well, I'm healthy, I have a preference for women that have reached a level of maturity that can be augmented by research, reading, questioning, open discussion, and reasonable expectations. I'm healthy, but, I have slowed just a tad. I no longer leap tall buildings with a single bound. I won't even enter past the first floor if there's not a working elevator.
  I'm quite capable of allowing some special dispensations to those that have some physicial limitations. I can accept that past experiences might have caused some to have "buttons" that shouldn't be pushed without a method for deleting them troubling rememberances or at least causing them to be less of a problem.
  If age was a state of mind and we were only as old as we thought, I'd be bumpin forty instead of getting closer to My favorite number in years. I'm sixty-four, I released two submissives one 31 and the other fortysumpin for the woman that, I've been with for the past few years. she's in her mid fistys, she has a bad hip, is a tad overweight, has sleep apnes and must sleep wearing a device that breaths for her, just had her foot operated on to correct her hammertoe, pulmonary hypertension presented it ugly head during her outpatient surgery and she spent the next six days in ICU, but, I still wouldn't trade her for a six pack of young gigglers even though she's deathly afraid now to resume our prior practices of daily Delicious Deviance.
  she's actively seeking another for Me to own or use daily... I'm a declared sensual sadist, but My having followed My Mentors instructions are what developed My methods and practices into an erotic lifestyle. Their love of their propertys were obvious to Me after spending some time in their company away from the hospital. There repeated themselves enough that their warnings and instructions became cautionary
 mantras that warned of maltreatment and other thoughtless nonsense.
  AGE does play a factor in ones developing interests. Hormonal changes causes further explorations a given. Experience turns into a comfortable mode that usually erases most causes for the dreaded "OOPS" exclamations. Elders are an under-used resource to the younger seekers. A resource that's capable of presenting the joys, beauty and a source for mellowed introductions into a lifestyle that they soon embrace eagerly.
  For those that claim to have no prejudices against the ravages of aging, I invite you to discuss the how and why's of how you came to accept that an experienced Elder is  far more preferable over a claimant that can only claim adequate experience if he was raised in a lifestyle home, but admits that he may have exaggerated after his third OOPS.
Gentry
PS: I know that some will wish to debate the merit of My response. I will state here that, I don't debate stumps, bags of rocks, opinions that aren't well considered, semanticly plagued arguemenative slouches, and those that think that they're well beyond any learning curve or need, claimants that present themselves as experienced and hold some expertise with the practices or implements that we use, blah, blah, blah. Dee-Dee-Dee. I'm out of here.
Gentry
   I've some preferences beyond those and will not hesitate to explain them if questioned by a woman that is seriously seeking info' and not masturbatory fodder for those times that they're free of their husbands intrusions on their cyber-sex time.
  I'll offer advise to young or old males that are finding it difficult to make the site connections for info'.  I most often guide them to those PC sites initially because, I don't want to be guilty of scaring the debil out of their jockeys, or have them thinking that the more extreme practices shouldn't be approached until there's a strong base of knowledge present in their educations.
 
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ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

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ORIGINAL: smcontrol

The quote that comes to mind is "Good Judgement comes from experience but experience comes from poor judgement."

I think the worst part of the age thing was when what used to be hot young women started to look like little girls. 

And btw...  Major hip breaking and live in health care professionals start to be an issue somewhere past forty-four.  But I understand the theme.


You had me at little girls, but lost me at hip breaking...

... my hips.... still ok.  I've fallen, and can still get up.





Guilty1974 -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 4:10:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Or were you at some point this non fully formed dominant screwing up and learning the hard knocks, leaving your own bad impressions on submissives?

I wonder how all these experienced dominants who knock the notion of submissives playing with inexperienced dominants....got their experience?


Well, older Dominants seem to forget how they gained that experience fairly easily. Perhaps that's an early sign of old age :-)

I totally agree with you, and I want to add one more thing. I know a lot of older Dominants who have so much experience and knowledge that they think they know it all. Not only do they play on routine sometimes, sometimes they haven't really kept up with changing ideas on safety because they know it all.

Experience can be very positive and comfortable, but not necessarily. And I think for many people it would be best if they would just have a LTR with someone at their own experience level (and perhaps age) and grow into the lifestyle together.




NakedGirlScout -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 4:22:46 AM)

Hello MellowSir,
I can understand your points about age meaning a possibly better experienced Dom. I had an age limit in my profile when I was looking, for my own reasons. Yet, very old men into their 70's used to write to me and basically, in their first email, or in their second email to my response of "No thank you, your age is outside my limits", berate me hatefully about my "narrow-mindedness". I am not accusing you of anything, but their words to me were just about identical to what you wrote in your post (although they weren't saying it politely like you are). The experience put me off older men entirely, due to their rudeness and attempts to make me feel bad about my personal limits. It was as if they took my having a limit that included them personally and felt that they had to change my mind at all costs, or at least make me feel as bad as possible. And although of course the same thing happened just as frequently with men who were below my age limit, the youngsters never seemed to take offense to my reply regarding their age, nor did they show such a bad temper about the issue. I could never understand what all this meant, or why they chose to write to me despite obviously not being someone I would consider in the first place.




Jevousadore -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 4:27:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Doesn't it just suck when the hags your age aren't interesting and the fucking young hotties tell you to fuck off cause you are old?  I just hate that.


lol......are  you sure it's because you're old??  I can see why those experienced in the forums accuse you of baiting......but it still makes me laugh.

For me, I met my Dom/Husband when I was 23 and he was 36.  At the time I had no understanding of what I was looking for, just that there was something I needed but was afraid of.  I do not think a Dom my age would have been able to understand me so well.

On the flip side, being an old hag at 37, I find I agree with LuckyAlbatross in that my pool is small these days.  I do not relate to those in their twenties, and I have a difficult time with much older than 50, which starts to feel like Daddy/daughter to me.  I kind of stick around my age, with those who remember "The Safety Dance" leg warmers and really big hair!

jevousadore




wandersalone -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 4:50:02 AM)

From reading these forums I have found that there are a number of people in their 20's who have a level of bdsm experience that surpass those who are older and may have discovered bdsm later in life.Don't forget that the internet has been around for a long time so it has become so much easier for people to access this information.  I know people who are much younger (than I )  who go to the munches and play parties here whom I have been able to learn so much from.  I would not assume that an older dominant is more experienced or has a better understanding of bdsm and likewise I also would not spend time pondering the unfairness than some younger submissives are not interested in an older dominant.  They do not want what you are offering, that's okay, move on to someone who does. 




MellowSir -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 5:30:42 AM)

Well, stirred up a hornet's nest with this one lol. Certainly wasn't trying to offend anyone, expected a lot of flack from the young ones lol. It's not just the bdsm I'm talking about, it's emotional maturity, stability, and life experience. Think, what is generally the most important thing to a man in his 20's.....that's a general statement and certainly doesn't apply to everyone....I sure don't "know it all", no-one ever does. The master doesn't exist that is master of all. Just seems that the younger subs, and even doms that restrict due to age are missing a lot is all....




Dnomyar -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 6:56:34 AM)

Ok Ok let me start off by saying if you are hung up on age thats ok. But to say that old people have broken hips, walk with a seeing eye dog ect. ect. shows how ignorant you are. Go thru this forum and chat and you will find a lot of younger people are physicaly challenged. Since when did this lifestyle turn into a Mr/Mrs universe contest. To those who think that 35 is old wait till you get that old. Age is just a frame of mind unless your a hypocondriac. This lifestyle has more to do with tolerance than anything else. Once you have lerned tolerance then the rest will come easy. To the op don't worry about offending people on here. Their point of view will differ from yours. Seems that some cant give it without making an ass of themselves




SimplyMichael -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 7:02:34 AM)

MellowSir,

You still don't get it.  You don't seem to value the things in women that you think they should value in you.  There is a long word for that in the English language. Perhaps instead of not seeing what you have to offer, young women do so quite clearly and that is the basis of their lack of interest in "what you have to offer"




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 7:05:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

MellowSir,

You still don't get it.  You don't seem to value the things in women that you think they should value in you.  There is a long word for that in the English language. Perhaps instead of not seeing what you have to offer, young women do so quite clearly and that is the basis of their lack of interest in "what you have to offer"

How many letters in that word?




velvetears -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 7:37:03 AM)

When i was younger i was attracted to older men, but now that i am older i would have to go to a nursing home to find one, and i doubt bdsm play is on the recreational activities list for the day.




xBullx -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 7:52:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

The reality is that everyone's pool is really small when you get down to the final little things. 




Pool hell, I'm searching through an eyedrop of water.




Trampler -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 7:52:43 AM)

Well something I thought of, when I still considered myself submissive;(in why I chose men close to my age.) was so that I could present him as my boyfriend, I didn't feel you could as easily do that with someone who is much older. Plus not to mention I felt I wouldn't have enough in common with a much older man.




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 7:53:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Doesn't it just suck when the hags your age aren't interesting and the fucking young hotties tell you to fuck off cause you are old?  I just hate that.


I'm about your age..




marylynn -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 7:58:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MellowSir
The submissive women that are yet young(20's)that restrict to their own age quite often end up with is not yet  a fully-formed dominant,


I could not agree with you more.
Although, the kids nowadays are learning at a much younger age. My son is 7.. he is in the 2nd grade
and all ready he's learning about penis' and vaginas, and the importance of "safety" with people that are HIV positive.

In the 2nd grade!

But I agree with you - at 20 years old, how is it that you could have that experience under your belt? remains a mystery to me..
and that brings another question to my mind..

for lack of experience - would it or would it not destroy the other persons in the equation of learning?




SimplyMichael -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 9:21:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Doesn't it just suck when the hags your age aren't interesting and the fucking young hotties tell you to fuck off cause you are old?  I just hate that.


I'm about your age..


That post was an attempt to point out to someone what he was in effect saying.  Clearly it was too subtle.  My ex whom I now love like the sister I never had was older than I.  You are a few years younger.  I would think it would be clear that this was sarcasm but perhaps it wasn't.  Woman, if you lived down the street, I would wait in an alley, throw a hood over you and drag you into my van and use you for days and days.




juliaoceania -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 9:23:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MellowSir

Well, stirred up a hornet's nest with this one lol. Certainly wasn't trying to offend anyone, expected a lot of flack from the young ones lol. It's not just the bdsm I'm talking about, it's emotional maturity, stability, and life experience. Think, what is generally the most important thing to a man in his 20's.....that's a general statement and certainly doesn't apply to everyone....I sure don't "know it all", no-one ever does. The master doesn't exist that is master of all. Just seems that the younger subs, and even doms that restrict due to age are missing a lot is all....



I do not think they are missing anything to be honest. In fact they risk the opposite, missing out on a lot because they make a life long commitment to someone not just out of their cohort, but from an entirely different generation. There are things that an older person has been and done that the younger one just has not. Fall/Spring relationships are fine for those who desire them, but the experience of being with someone that is experiencing the same things as you are for the first time really cannot be duplicated. It is a trade off that a younger person makes for the more experienced person.

Perhaps you should ask yourself, are you missing out on anything by not dating a sub in her 60s? If the answer is "no", apply that to those who are significantly younger than you... sorry, but there is a biological imperative attached to mating and dating. People wanna have sex with those who are sexually appealing to them. That is how we spread the genes around. All things being equal experience is very hot on a man, but not all things are equal. I do not blame young submissives for setting up an age limit. I had an age limit myself when searching in both directions.

Your biological imperative makes youth hot and sexy to you most likely... are you really saying you do not understand a young hot sub desiring the same in her partner? I mean, she is young, fit, and fertile... the biological imperative would encourage looking for the same in many instances... just evolution.




LittleSkylark -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 9:46:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: xBullx

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

The reality is that everyone's pool is really small when you get down to the final little things.




Pool hell, I'm searching through an eyedrop of water.


I just love your messages sir, they always make me smile or quake in fear! [:)]




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 12:33:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Doesn't it just suck when the hags your age aren't interesting and the fucking young hotties tell you to fuck off cause you are old?  I just hate that.


I'm about your age..


That post was an attempt to point out to someone what he was in effect saying.  Clearly it was too subtle.  My ex whom I now love like the sister I never had was older than I.  You are a few years younger.  I would think it would be clear that this was sarcasm but perhaps it wasn't.  Woman, if you lived down the street, I would wait in an alley, throw a hood over you and drag you into my van and use you for days and days.

starts checking the real estate listings in sacramento...




TigressFL -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 1:06:35 PM)

I think when it comes to age; the thought of "experience" has little to do with choosing. I think it is more about physical attraction and amazingly enough many people do think about the reality that is they are with someone much older than the likelihood of health issues or death "increases". This is not to say it cannot happen with a young person, it is simply logical that an older person is at a higher risk inherently. Then when you factor in the generational gap and the reality that there would not be a huge amount of things they share in common that just adds another negative for people that young age to get with someone that much older then them. Some do see past all of those factors and give it a shot but I would think it is the exception rather than the rule. I know that in my 20's I had zero desire to be with someone that was in their 30's much less older than that. I am now in my 30's and still do not want to be with someone in their late 40's or beyond lol While I know about the stereotypical reasons why a man would want someone much younger than them, I cannot help but to wonder if these same men rule out women their age or older and yet are confused why a younger women rule them out lol


Tigress~FL




curvyslavegirl -> RE: Experience versus age, young"sub"looking? (4/20/2007 1:32:46 PM)

I find that I prefer Dominants who are older than me. Its not only about BDSM experience, but life experience as well.
Men in their 20's tend to be less settled and are still exploring their thoughts on love, life, career, family, location, etc.
It isn't just about their BDSM skills, its about their stage in life and where they are in their life journey.
I'm attracted to people who are fairly self actualized and have experimented long enough to know what sticks with them and what doesnt.

I have, however, found that I am slightly fearful of relationships with men who are very far above me in age. Part of me still wants children and a partner who can grow with me into old age. If they're already in their 60's, then that may not be a possibility. Despite that, I am much more likely to consider a 60 year old than a 21 year old  :)





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