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Verbal humiliation - 4/20/2007 8:48:08 PM   
annabelsub


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Hello to all. I was wondering if any doms could share with me some ways to verbally humiliate a sub/ slave. I am very curious on this subject and would really like to find a dom who would just answer my question and not hit on me. I am very new to the lifestyle, so if you don't have any helpful tips, please don't scare me away. Thank you.
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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/20/2007 8:56:38 PM   
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greetings annabelsub,

humiliation is many different things to many different people. personally i enjoy being called a slut, a whore, a cum receptacle, what have you...that's humiliating to me but it is also a huge turn-on because of that. what works for a certain couple depends on what is enjoyable to both of them, and what both of them find humiliating...not everyone finds the same things humiliating.

also, i would suggest that no one can scare you away. you can -get- scared away by taking what other people say too seriously, but that is not the fault of their words. having a thick skin and a large shaker of salt is necessary for posting here. my pm box is open if you ever want to exchange messages - i noticed that we're in the same age range. :)

hope you are well.

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/20/2007 9:02:33 PM   
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Verbal humiliation depends greatly on the person being humiliated as well as the one doing the humiliation. With Angel, I tell him how disappointing he is as a boy, how far short he fals of what I had wanted in a boyfriend and things of that nature. I have to steer clear of certain things that were used against him in his real life, since they wouldnt be a beneficial humiliation no turn on, just emotional pain. Humiliation for females and for males tends to work differently as well.  It always depends on the gals and the relationship f whos involved.

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/20/2007 10:01:36 PM   
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make sure first it is something that YOU want

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/21/2007 9:06:49 AM   
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wow DV it must indeed be true that males and females handle it differently. At least for me if Master said stuff like that to me i would be humiliated indeed but hurt BIG time too

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/21/2007 11:34:38 AM   
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By no means an expert on this subject, verbal humiliation being almost a hard limit for me But.

Name-calling springs immediaely to mind, an earlier poster related that it "works" for her.  Another of course, is the female equivalent  of verbal emasculation (is there a word for that by the way?).   I ran across an instance where a Dom would verbalize everything he was going to do to a sub while he was doing it ( not entirely sure if that one qualifies,  but the from the subs description in did sound very much like humiliation).  Yet another is for the Dom to describe something he want to do to a sub, using the most graphic and degrading terms he can think of; doing it at a BDSM local group makes it even better on occasion (seen that one in practice, its quite entertaining, and also a very good way to pick up a new trick or two).

However these all things a Dom could say.  But it's also something a sub could verbalize as well.  Speaking is often harder than listening, and verbal humiliation is no exception.  All of the above could be said by the sub, and depending on the sub, could be much more mortifying for them to say it to their Dom rather than the other way around.

Like I said, no expert when it comes to this.  All the points the previous posters made are all equally true.

Best of Luck

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/21/2007 12:13:38 PM   
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I'm a fan of sarcasm and big words. I remember an episode of "Buzz Lightyear" where the villianous Emperor Zurg used evil marketing to figure out what name for his doomsday device would be most intimidating. His research analysts found that the majority of people felt threatened by lots of big words. Gives me the giggles, but it's also true. I'm not a fan of obscenity for it's own sake, and I can not bring myself to "talk dirty". It's just contrary to my nature.

Like any other aspect of the scene, don't list it as one of your likes until you've given it a try, but don't cross it off until you've given it a try. Different domini have different styles, and one person's style of verbal abuse might be too much, while someone else's is too little. For some, epithets like "pig" "whore" or "slut" become terms of endearment, like pet names. For others, they are and remain deadly insults - which is not to say that it might not be fun, but for that person, an insult is like a whip: something the dominant must use with careful judgement. Give it a try - more to the point, try a few different versions - and then decide. You might like it.

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/21/2007 1:16:40 PM   
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I'm a dominant who will answer your question without hitting on you--not really because I'm altruistic, but because it's a waste of effort for me to hit on you, since you're not looking for dominant women and you're three thousand miles away from me. That wasn't intended to be humiliation, by the way.

As everyone has said above, humiliation is individualized. What emotional state are you looking for, most precisely? Using words that are not "humiliation," "embarrassment," or "degradation" might help you think more specifically. Then, what words, themes, and ideas make you feel that way? Would you want to feel ignorant, or unintelligent? Would you want to feel ugly? Would you want to feel immoral? Would feeling sexually alluring cause you to feel embarrassed? Is being out of control a source of shame for you? Would attention embarrass you more than inattention?

I know ways to verbally humiliate several different people, but I don't know how to verbally humiliate *you*. If I was negotiating a scene with you, I'd ask some of the above questions--probably more generally. I'd try to find out, either through direct questions or through careful listening, what aspects of your self-regard are uncertain or sensitive, and which of those are open for poking at. I'd look for patterns and categories. This is what you should do in self-reflection if you want to find out how you might do humiliation.

What are styles of verbal humiliation? There are lots of things to do with words, but most basically, I think the styles come down to two, and it's no accident that they are basic rhetorical categories: Socratic method, or question and response, and lecture, or exposition. I can either tell a person that he or she is ugly, dumb, and unethical, or, I can ask skillful questions that make him or her come to realize that he or she is ugly, dumb, and unethical. The second is usually more effective, in my mind.

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/21/2007 1:21:54 PM   
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There is always the classic "you are so fucking stupid, you vote republican", works on some.

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/21/2007 1:25:25 PM   
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And I have used that nearly exactly, I must confess that it had very limited success with one who I liked alot.

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/21/2007 1:33:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

There is always the classic "you are so fucking stupid, you vote republican", works on some.

<GASP> this would wound me.....LOL

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/22/2007 6:00:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: annabelsub
Hello to all. I was wondering if any doms could share with me some ways to verbally humiliate a sub/ slave.

Get on your knees and suck my cock/lick my pussy. That's all you are good for anyway.
Open your mouth so I can piss in it, at least you might be useful for something.
Nothing but a little fuck hole, eager for cock in every opening.
How could you ask that. Are you stupid?
Go on, beg. Show me how pathetically desperate you are for my touch...beg me to touch you.
That's right, you'll come crawling back even if I hit you and reject you, won't you?

Verbal humiliation for me hits at the things I'm either afraid to admit, half ashamed of, or feel are true about myself but can never say. It gives me permission to be stupid, nothing but a fuck hole, pathetic and desperate...and be loved anyway. In some ways humiliation can be dangerous (I'd rather play a video game is not positive humiliation for me, it hits to the core of my failed marriage and at least one other long term relationship) but when your partner knows your limits and when you have a way to end it if things go horribly badly in your head (safewords anyone?) then it can be a lot of fun.

~E

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/23/2007 7:28:47 AM   
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I have had issues with this as well, but discussing it with a friend, I began to understand better.  I thought I would share what he said, hoping it might help you, too.


A slave owes 3 duties to her Master: obedience, submission, and service.
All of these are actually 2-way streets.
A slave needs to feel her submission in order to validate who she is.
If verbal abuse is used for this purpose, it is not a put down. It is a demand by the Master that the slave acknowledge herself as His slave.
she, in turn, draws validation from it.
For example:
If I call you a worthless slut in the middle of a shopping mall where everyone can hear, then turn and leave you standing there with all eyes on you
that is abusive.
If I use the same words in private, insisting that you acknowledge it, we have submission.
Now, I would never use worthless as an adjective for slut
because every Dom who is worth a plug nickel knows that true sluts are worth a lot.
Verbal debasement, properly used, validates the Master/slave relationship.
The Master, by exercising it, psychologically feels Himself in control.
The slave feels herself to be a slave to her chosen Master.
There is a mutual commitment there.
Slaves have a need to feel like slaves, just as Masters have a need to feel dominant.
In conclusion, verbal humiliation, properly used, is NOT a put down or intended to make a slave feel unworthy or worthless.
It is an act of submission.

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/23/2007 8:46:09 AM   
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Humiliation can be a hot powerful sexual tool or it can be destructive.  It isn't what someone calls you as much as why they call you that, what emotion it evokes in you and MOST important, what they do afterwards.

If someone is hugely overweight, humiliating them over that issue is more likely than not to be damaging, humiliating that same woman for being a highly charged sexual woman, ie, a slut, counters the "I am fat, therefore nobody wants me/thinks of me sexually" is countered.  There are lots of forms of humiliation but it is this sort of good/bad division one must watch for. 

Then, one must bring that woman back to a positive place, ie. good slave/good girl, etc.

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/25/2007 1:24:58 AM   
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To  the OP:

Verbal humiliation comes down to identification and deconstruction, then reformation and deconstruction, ending with a reformation once again. At least, good humiliation practice does.

There's a lot involved in it, and really, what you could really look for is much like what monica was speaking about above.

Imagine your ego, your psyche is a house. It has bearing walls and non bearing walls. Your bearing walls are walls which form the very essence of who you know yourself to be, your core strengths, beliefs and values and the non bearing walls are facets of your personality, habits, weaknesses, insecurities, which you rely on in relation to other people, feel insecure or secure in, have an opinion about yourself, regarding looks, weight, intellect, etc.

When monica was talking about asking guided, skilled questions in drawing out what it is that you are into, your interests, likes, dislikes, what you do like about yourself, what you don't like about yourself etc., she's taking note of the walls. There is also the roof... The roof is the area, which really represents those areas that should, along with the bearing walls, be left alone, as they are core identifiers. There is core identity and core values These are the two things that can be tweeked, but core identifiers really shouldn't be screwed with, in my opinion.

But really, in the works of it all, verbal humiliation identifies, and rips into the "values" and the "ethics" of a person, restructures them in a believable yet utterly twisted fashion and reinstalls them, so that the person begins to feel that abasement, or degradation.

For example, if I was talking to you and you came across as a completely honest, or ethical person, I might begin the humiliation in an interrogation sense, and begin to set up trick questions, which would force you to answer in a "false positive".

What this means, is that it's a no-win situation. You might be answering honestly, but no matter how you answer, I'm able to twist that, look at you and start playing on that your a worthless liar, or that you've not a brain in your head and begin going from there, twisting it further into something else as we go along.

Before it's done, much like Michael was saying, there has to be a deconstruction of the "remodeling" so that you don't remain that way... So you don't have doubts about yourself, or truly believe the "scene" that was created out of you. But the walls have to be "reinstalled" in their proper places.

The same methods could be used to "restructure" someone to eliminate bad habits. Deconstruct, reconstruct and don't reverse the procedure. Of course, this might take more time and more sessions, but it's possible. Not with major phsychological issues, I don't think, but with minor "habitual annoyances" perhaps.

First and foremost though... And there's a reason I stated it last, and that's because you must remember this...

When the question is asked, and it must be... Period, there's no getting around it... When the question is asked "Do you enjoy/like humiliation?"...

If the answer is "no"... Don't engage in it. Period. All that will result if you ignore this, is someone getting hurt. You or your partner.

It does take some digging, to find what is erotically embarrassing, sexually embarrassing, physically embarrassing, mentally embarrassing, debasing or humiliating etc. about someone, so it takes time. The best scenes I've seen that involved humiliation were scenes where someone truly knew the other person inside and out. The reason this is, is that they know what buttons to push and what buttons NOT to push.

If you want to learn more about humiliation, and verbal humiliation, I'd personally recommend looking up Midori.


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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/25/2007 1:33:16 AM   
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I see verbal humiliation as a tool I use to bring my subs to enlightenment.  

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/25/2007 1:50:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: annabelsub
Hello to all. I was wondering if any doms could share with me some ways to verbally humiliate a sub/ slave. I am very curious on this subject and would really like to find a dom who would just answer my question and not hit on me. I am very new to the lifestyle, so if you don't have any helpful tips, please don't scare me away. Thank you.


STFU! How dare you come in here, with your stupid vanilla ice cream cone and your idiotic question. Are you smoking crack?
 
How these stupid newbies can come in here and think that they can just go ahead and ask any old question they want ...
 
. o O (How's that?) LOL!
 
 
 
 
 
Peace and comfort,
 
 
 
 
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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/25/2007 4:46:19 AM   
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To me, simple name calling is kind of the sledgehammer of verbal humiliation. Yeah, you can effectively humiliate a sub by calling her names, but that approach lacks the sophistication and subtley of digging deeper into their psyche. My .02

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/25/2007 10:04:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

There is always the classic "you are so fucking stupid, you vote republican", works on some.


LOL, my most disparaging comment is "Fucking Democrat" - covers all forms of stupidity.

TOTB

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RE: Verbal humiliation - 4/25/2007 10:55:49 PM   
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oh yes michael tell me more!!!! lol

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