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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 1:29:45 PM   
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Re dieting: I've often thought that people tend to ignore 'measurements of their own feelings' in favour of measurements of calories. Feelings that are 'measured', for instance, by asking oneself such questions as: 'have I eaten enough to stop myself feeling hungry - or have I eaten so much that I'm satiated?' and 'Can I bear feeling just a little hungry - or do I find even the smallest feeling of hunger to be intolerable?'

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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 2:08:12 PM   
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Re: the OP, however old it may be...

I think a dominant is entitled to ask for and receive what she desires from her submissive.  Control over the body means control over the body:  within the limits of sanity and safety, a dominant should be able to exert just about any sort of control she desires.

If she wants her sub to lose weight or gain weight in the form of muscle, to work on his flexibility or endurance, to give up masturbation or fried foods--it makes no difference.  Control is control.  If he belongs to her, he belongs to her.  It should be mutually understood what ownership entails, but there are things much more extreme than imposing a healthy diet and a little exercise on a man!  There are men who submit to tattoos, cuttings, brandings, piercings and all sorts of other body modifications for the pleasure of a dominant.

I agree that weight is an emotional issue for many people.  However, to those who say that the sub in the OP would see himself as being rejected over his weight, rather than other his disobedience?  I can only say that a woman is entitled to reject him over either of these two things, or both, or neither, if she chooses.  She is not obligated to bow to anyone who prioritizes his neurotic behavior over her commands.  As a dominant she has to please herself; it's pointless to invest her energy in someone who cannot or will not please her because he's "emotional" about his bad habits.  His resistance is essentially a form of narcissistic rebellion.  I see no reason she should tolerate it, especially if it's a permanent problem.

So far as genuinely health-threatening obesity is concerned...I also see no reason that a submissive should be allowed to sacralize a self-destructive relationship with food, any more than they should be allowed to prioritize a self-destructive relationship with alcohol or drugs, over the wishes of their dominant.  There is a difference between judging someone in a shallow fashion based on their appearance versus having real concern for addiction, health issues and fitness.  A person who is already in a D/S relationship with some substance he or she abuses--whether it's booze, heroin or Krispy Kreme doughnuts--is obviously not ready to offer his submission to a third party.  An addict is already "taken".

*shrug*  In any case, some of this stuff really does work both ways.  The men in my life tend to enjoy my soft curvy body, but they do not enjoy me being sick and feeble.  I would expect my submissive to be very concerned and even rebellious if I was a diabetic, and he was basically having to watch me dig my grave with a knife and fork.  Hell, I would expect a vanilla partner to be concerned and to intervene if he thought I was going to die because of the things I was eating.  D/S and power exchange doesn't change basic human concern and responsibility to your partner.


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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 2:49:03 PM   
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I think a dominant is entitled to ask for and receive what she desires from her submissive.  Control over the body means control over the body:  within the limits of sanity and safety, a dominant should be able to exert just about any sort of control she desires.
 
Hmm.  I think the limits to that should be negotiated.  I could safely and healthily be fatter - but I don't want to be.  Nope, not with you on this one, Shakti.



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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 3:08:53 PM   
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Hmm.  I think the limits to that should be negotiated.  I could safely and healthily be fatter - but I don't want to be.  Nope, not with you on this one, Shakti.


And if you were ever "with me" on anything, Peon, that would be SUCH a shock!    You and I do not agree on any subject, generally speaking, but especially on the control and authority a woman can and should exercise in a serious D/S relationship.

Personally, I don't take you very seriously.  You're not stupid, but I can't expect to have a lot in common with someone who is essentially a D/S day tripper, with no idea whatsoever what it means to really surrender to a woman.  I would be willing to bet good money that all your snippy little caveats and oh-no-I-could-never's will melt like fat in a fire, when you meet the right domina.  You just have to find someone who will make you more afraid of losing her than you are of losing yourself. 


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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 3:52:48 PM   
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And if you were ever "with me" on anything, Peon, that would be SUCH a shock! You and I do not agree on any subject, generally speaking, but especially on the control and authority a woman can and should exercise in a serious D/S relationship.
 
Oh I don't know, Shakti. We agreed yesterday on the matter of a certain author and how his views tended towards 'conservative feminism'.
As for the 'control and authority a woman can and should have in a D/s relationship' - that's only you, as one woman, with your own sub. It's always going to be different with each D/s relationship. There just isn't anyone else to make the rules on that.

Personally, I don't take you very seriously.
 
I know you don't - and well done indeed!  It's your warm and bubbly sense of humour that prevents you taking so many things seriously.  And I say, good for you!  To blazes with all those po-faced critics who are constantly berating you for being too frothy and light-hearted!

You're not stupid, but I can't expect to have a lot in common with someone who is essentially a D/S day tripper, with no idea whatsoever what it means to really surrender to a woman.

You're right if you mean I'd have no idea how to surrender to you.  I wouldn't know where to start.  You have very much your own idea of what D/s is, and I have mine. Again, none of us gets to make the rules for anyone else, much as he or she might want to.  There are no rules in D/s, there are no pre-set definitions of D/s dynamics, except those made by each pair of partners, or each polyamorous group.
 
I would be willing to bet good money that all your snippy little caveats and oh-no-I-could-never's will melt like fat in a fire, when you meet the right domina.  You just have to find someone who will make you more afraid of losing her than you are of losing yourself.
 
Splendidly expressed - but bollocks.  You've done a perceptive judgment of the cover of a book there, but not its contents. 

What I look for in a dominant - apart from attractiveness of mind and body - is trustworthiness.  To let myself go into submission, completely - which is what I want to do and have to do, eventually - the most important quality a woman needs to have for me is the ability to inspire my trust.  I'd have see that she's intelligent, pretty much balanced - and able to control her temper. 

That last is very important to me indeed.  It wasn't, once - but then a certain dominant wrote to me to make me aware of what an aggressive dominant could do to a submissive who was in a vulnerable position with her.  I figured: 'This dominant's right and I was wrong to be cocky before.  Moreover,  being hurt physically's one thing, being hurt emotionally is something else.  I know I'd get hurt, badly, that way, if I were to submit to the wrong woman, because I know how vulnerable submission would make me'.

I think we can safely conclude that you're not the right dominant for me, and I'm not the right submissive for you, Shakti.



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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 6:14:38 PM   
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Splendidly expressed - but bollocks.  You've done a perceptive judgment of the cover of a book there, but not its contents. 


I think the contents are a bit more on view than you would like to think.   Trustworthiness is an important quality in a submissive as well as a dominant, and it's one I prize very highly myself.  I would never feel safe with a man who behaves as you do, even on these forums alone.

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I think we can safely conclude that you're not the right dominant for me, and I'm not the right submissive for you, Shakti.


That's never been at issue, hon.  I have the best of all possible boykins already!  And when it comes down to it, I've been engaged in D/S relationships with various people for 21 years now, and I've been a member of the community for 18 years.  Sometimes when I shake my head and say "that's never going to work", it has nothing to do with my personal tastes in men.  It's about the core dynamics in any D/S relationship--not just mine.

You can say all you want that "No one makes the rules", but you're wrong.  Someone does make the rules, in every D/S relationship--and it's the dominant.  You and many other unpartnered men on these forums really seem to have a struggle with this idea, but it's not something you will ever get around.  The challenge of submission is not finding a woman who will let you make the rules, it's finding a woman whose authority you can respect and whose rules you can live with.

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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 7:41:20 PM   
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The challenge of submission is not finding a woman who will let you make the rules, it's finding a woman whose authority you can respect and whose rules you can live with.


Indeed.  It seems the vast majority of inexperienced subs keep trying to force their rules on the dominant, then wonder why she walks away from a potential relationship. 

After several months of corresponding with someone, I'd asked him to read a particular series of books in advance of our meeting, which would have been towards the end of this year.  He refused, saying that as we didn't have an official relationship he didn't feel comfortable complying with a request from me, that it was an onerous burden (not sure why; I *think* he can read), and that the timing was bad (dude, you've got five months).  I told him that was fine, but that if he didn't feel he could comply with a simple request, I didn't see much potential for going any farther.  I then got bombarded with e-mails telling me why we ought to keep things going and how I ought to proceed.  So, another one bites the dust. 

The thing that truly made me laugh is that not having an official relationship did not preclude him from wanting to engage in public dungeon play on the receiving end of my strap-on.  Apparently, asking someone to read a few books entails a bigger commitment than having him drop his trousers for sodomy in front of a crowd. 

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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 8:04:26 PM   
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Splendidly expressed - but bollocks.  You've done a perceptive judgment of the cover of a book there, but not its contents. 


I think the contents are a bit more on view than you would like to think.


The contents - what I am - are open to quite a few people, Shakti, but they're not open to you.  I speak to quite a number of people who use this forum, and quite often. 

I fondly remember you once telling me that you thought I was - if memory serves - "a promiscuous little attention-whore".  Tell me, how much 'on view' is my sex life to you?  How much do you know about it?

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Trustworthiness is an important quality in a submissive as well as a dominant, and it's one I prize very highly myself.  I would never feel safe with a man who behaves as you do, even on these forums alone.



Have you checked for a criminal record on me?  In what way would I be 'unsafe' to you? 

Oh come on. Enough bluster, now.  You've tried to put me into a box and I just won't fit into it.  That's the reason why you get so angry with me.  Why you get so angry with so many other people is beyond me to understand.

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I think we can safely conclude that you're not the right dominant for me, and I'm not the right submissive for you, Shakti.


That's never been at issue, hon.  I have the best of all possible boykins already!  And when it comes down to it, I've been engaged in D/S relationships with various people for 21 years now, and I've been a member of the community for 18 years.  Sometimes when I shake my head and say "that's never going to work", it has nothing to do with my personal tastes in men.  It's about the core dynamics in any D/S relationship--not just mine.
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It always does make me chuckle when you use belittling endearments like 'hon' when you're being aggressive and want to put someone in his or her place.  Nice touch, my petal.

But, seriously:  I've read of too many examples on these forums to believe that there's one style of core dynamics that works universally.  Far from it.  I've read of people who've been dead certain that they had the right formula, only to see their relationships crash. 

On the other hand, I've read of a few people's dynamics that do work - and they're not very much like those of yourself and your boykin.  Yours are fine for you and him, but not fine for me.  I know, though, that I could operate with the dynamics of the partnerships that I've seen and liked.  In these, the rules are made by her, but within boundaries negotiated by both partners.  The relationships that I'm talking about work.  Most to the point: they work for people who seem to be like me - for people I can relate to.

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You can say all you want that "No one makes the rules", but you're wrong.  Someone does make the rules, in every D/S relationship--and it's the dominant. 
You and many other unpartnered men on these forums really seem to have a struggle with this idea, but it's not something you will ever get around.  The challenge of submission is not finding a woman who will let you make the rules, it's finding a woman whose authority you can respect and whose rules you can live with.


As I think you're aware, my comment 'No-one makes the rules' was not aimed at dominants, generally.  It was aimed at you and any other dominant (or indeed sub) who apparently aspires to make the rules that they think should apply everywhere

You don't get to make the rules for other D/s partnerships.  Most particularly, you don't get to tell other dominants which rules they can and cannot make.  I've spoken to some dominants who want comprehensive control of their subs' lives (career, clothing, body-shape - everything), and I've spoken to others who dread being required to control anything at all outside of the bedroom.  Those limits over a sub's life, as I've said, are negotiated.

As for your view on authority - well, that, again, works for you, how you like to see yourself, and how your boykin is happy to see you.  I don't have the option of seeing most women that way, even if I wanted to.  I've been around the block too much and, frankly, I'm too old to be a 'boykin'.  Someone controlling me, for me, is emphatically not the same as having someone in authority over me.  It can't be.

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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 8:11:28 PM   
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Goodness, what fascinating interchange happens on these old threads!



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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 8:42:03 PM   
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Apparently, asking someone to read a few books entails a bigger commitment than having him drop his trousers for sodomy in front of a crowd. 


It really depends on the books.


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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 8:43:51 PM   
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Apparently, asking someone to read a few books entails a bigger commitment than having him drop his trousers for sodomy in front of a crowd. 


It really depends on the books.



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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 8:51:21 PM   
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Apparently, asking someone to read a few books entails a bigger commitment than having him drop his trousers for sodomy in front of a crowd. 


It really depends on the books.



Shakespeare, sweetness, every bleeding one!


As beautiful and cool as Venatrix seems, I'd tell her to beat it too.*

Shakespeare. F'in hack.



* I'm just kidding, I'd read anything for the right person. even Shakespeare.


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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 8:57:25 PM   
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On the other hand, I've read of a few people's dynamics that do work - and they're not very much like those of yourself and your boykin.  Yours are fine for you and him, but not fine for me.  I know, though, that I could operate with the dynamics of the partnerships that I've seen and liked.  In these, the rules are made by her, but within boundaries negotiated by both partners.
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You don't get to make the rules for other D/s partnerships.  Most particularly, you don't get to tell other dominants which rules they can and cannot make.  I've spoken to some dominants who want comprehensive control of their subs' lives (career, clothing, body-shape - everything), and I've spoken to others who dread being required to control anything at all outside of the bedroom.  Those limits over a sub's life, as I've said, are negotiated.


Regarding the portions in bold, I want to know how you think our relationship differs from those statements.


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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 8:58:31 PM   
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As beautiful and cool as Venatrix seems, I'd tell her to beat it too.*

Shakespeare. F'in hack.


Oh gods, please, no, do not start this up again. I'm still recovering from the last dictionary war.


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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 8:59:04 PM   
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Apparently, asking someone to read a few books entails a bigger commitment than having him drop his trousers for sodomy in front of a crowd. 


It really depends on the books.



Shakespeare, sweetness, every bleeding one!


As beautiful and cool as Venatrix seems, I'd tell her to beat it too.*

Shakespeare. F'in hack.



* I'm just kidding, I'd read anything for the right person. even Shakespeare.



It's okay, SB, you're off the hook.  I want someone who can submit to Shakespeare willingly; I don't engage in forced water-Barding.  But thanks for the compliment - that was very sweet.

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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 9:02:03 PM   
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It's okay, SB, you're off the hook.  I want someone who can submit to Shakespeare willingly; I don't engage in forced water-Barding.  But thanks for the compliment - that was very sweet.


I've been studying way too much today, that was the hardest I've laughed all day :)

You're more than welcome.


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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 9:37:21 PM   
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Well, I vote that resurrecting 'dead threads' has its benefits . ... . . This whole thing was most instructive & enlightening, thanks folks . ....

Oh, & Venatrix: really long grooooooooooooooooooooooooooooan . .. . . *followed by that drum thing they do, you know what I mean . . . . * . . . & a wince too, upon reflection . .. . .



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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 10:07:32 PM   
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Well, I vote that resurrecting 'dead threads' has its benefits . ... . . This whole thing was most instructive & enlightening, thanks folks . ....

Oh, & Venatrix: really long grooooooooooooooooooooooooooooan . .. . . *followed by that drum thing they do, you know what I mean . . . . * . . . & a wince too, upon reflection . .. . .




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RE: Weight Control - 5/3/2009 10:33:16 PM   
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Have you checked for a criminal record on me?  In what way would I be 'unsafe' to you?


No need to grasp at weird melodrama, Peon.  I don't think you're physically unsafe; I would feel emotionally unsafe with a person like you.  I don't think you're a criminal, just a player.  As for what's on view--well since you ask, you seem very manipulative, constantly flirtatious and seeking attention from every possible female in your environment, and involved with far too many potential partners.  The way you frequently allude to behind-the-scenes intimacy with multiple dommes doesn't impress me in a good way; it creeps me out and makes me think you're probably incapable of monogamy.

As I've probably said before--I'm a mono-domme, myself.  Need fidelity and exclusivity from my partners.  Could not possibly be intimate with a person like you.  Hence "unsafe".

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Oh come on. Enough bluster, now.  You've tried to put me into a box and I just won't fit into it.  That's the reason why you get so angry with me.


I have no box for you to fit into, Peon, other than "guy without a domme who talks a lot of bollocks"--and you fit that box just fine.    I'm also not angry with you.  I actually have no strong emotion toward you whatsoever, except on the occasions when you use the word "dommie"--which does make me want to punch you just slightly in the brisket, I'll admit.

I also used to be irritated back when you and your admirers would derail threads for seven or eight pages at a time of mindless, meaningless dribble.  If this makes me a bad person, fine--I admit this freely as well.  Since the Mod stepped in you all have kept the flirting down to a few posts here and there, which is fine with me, and I have no further cause for annoyance.

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It always does make me chuckle when you use belittling endearments like 'hon' when you're being aggressive and want to put someone in his or her place.  Nice touch, my petal.


*shakes her head*  I don't use "hon" to belittle you or anyone.  It's a feature of my natural speech pattern, and where I was raised it is used to soften or alleviate statements which might otherwise be taken too harshly.  I am not British, but I'm well aware that many class and regional accents use words like "love" in the same way. 

Perhaps it's worth a chuckle that insecure men can read hostility or belittling intent into someone else's innocent word choices, just as insecure women do, however.

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As I think you're aware, my comment 'No-one makes the rules' was not aimed at dominants, generally.


This is how your previous comment in this thread and many other comments in other threads read to me.

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  It was aimed at you and any other dominant (or indeed sub) who apparently aspires to make the rules that they think should apply everywhere


*shrug* As in the rest of your post, you are projecting and assuming a great deal.  When I say "the dominant sets the rules", in my eyes it's very much like saying "the sky is up".  I have no interest in setting the rules for other players, nor in adopting their rules for myself.  For example, I could give a flying fig about controlling my own submissive's weight--he doesn't need it--and I have very little interest in micro-managing what he eats or dictating his exercise regimen.

If he needed that discipline for the sake of his health or because he had some important goal which involved his body, I might try to use my authority to his benefit, but he doesn't need it.  So I provide inspiration and motivation in other areas.

On the other hand, this thread was not about me or my relationship.  This was about whether a woman in general has the right and the authority to put her foot down and assert control over potentially self-destructive eating behavior.  And it raised some side issues about control over a man's body, whether a woman has a right or reason to assert control over her submissive's body and habits, yadda yadda.

One thing I have noticed about your posts on the subject of female authority is that you always seem to take a comment on female authority as the opportunity to project some sort of excessively horrid worst-case scenario.  It's always used to harm you or ruin your life.  This thread is no different from any other in which you immediately conjure up the Bad Domme controlling you to your detriment somehow.  "Oh, I could never allow a woman to have any control over how I speak.  She'd make me talk slash-speak to my boss and my Mum!"  

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I'm too old to be a 'boykin'.


A man of any age could be a boykin, if he was sufficiently sexy and adorable.  But I agree, there is only one.  Fortunately, he belongs to me.  :)


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RE: Weight Control - 5/4/2009 5:50:31 AM   
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Have you checked for a criminal record on me?  In what way would I be 'unsafe' to you?


No need to grasp at weird melodrama, Peon.  I don't think you're physically unsafe; I would feel emotionally unsafe with a person like you.  I don't think you're a criminal, just a player. 

As for what's on view--well since you ask, you seem very manipulative, constantly flirtatious and seeking attention from every possible female in your environment, and involved with far too many potential partners.  The way you frequently allude to behind-the-scenes intimacy with multiple dommes doesn't impress me in a good way; it creeps me out and makes me think you're probably incapable of monogamy.

As I've probably said before--I'm a mono-domme, myself.  Need fidelity and exclusivity from my partners.  Could not possibly be intimate with a person like you.  Hence "unsafe".


Ah.  I'm glad you defined 'unsafe' for me.  I remember your snipe about 'flirting with everyone' from a while back.  Actually, to me, most of the time, it's just something to make people laugh.  Your charge was one of the reasons that I took a friendly dominant's advice to add to my profile the lines that she provided for me:

I like to make myself and others laugh. Where I make humorous comments, these should not necessarily be taken to imply dislike, disdain, aggressive feelings of any kind(including "passive aggression", howsoever defined), latent psychopathy, sexual attraction, a willingness to submit and be a slave for life, or an offer of marriage. Any one of those could be involved, but probably isn't.
 
What you refer to as 'behind the scenes intimacy with multiple dommes' is, in fact, just friendliness with women (as well as men).  Despite that 'just', it's a friendliness that I value a great deal.  I think you once remarked something along the lines of 'if it's this hot and flirty on the boards, it must be much more so behind them'.  Actually it's the opposite for me.  I feel fond of certain people - and I talk to them that way. 

But your view - this box you've been so desperate to put me in and presuade others to recognise - explains your belief about my supposed promiscuity.   

I have to admit to being a bit of a failure at that promiscuity thing, I'm afraid.  I've only had one sexual partner at a time, ever, in my life.  If you don't believe me, I'll supply you with all the numbers of all the women I've had sex with, or even kissed, in the last two and a half years.  All zero of them.

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It always does make me chuckle when you use belittling endearments like 'hon' when you're being aggressive and want to put someone in his or her place.  Nice touch, my petal.


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*shakes her head*  I don't use "hon" to belittle you or anyone.  It's a feature of my natural speech pattern, and where I was raised it is used to soften or alleviate statements which might otherwise be taken too harshly.  I am not British, but I'm well aware that many class and regional accents use words like "love" in the same way. 

Perhaps it's worth a chuckle that insecure men can read hostility or belittling intent into someone else's innocent word choices, just as insecure women do, however.


  OK, I stand corrected.   I got the wrong end of the stick - thinking that the word 'hon', given the context of your aggressive post, and given that you've never used it with me on those rare occasions when you've not been attacking me, was an attempt to belittle.  Just as your use of such terms when attacking others isn't, either. 

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ORIGINAL As I think you're aware, my comment 'No-one makes the rules' was not aimed at dominants, generally.


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This is how your previous comment in this thread and many other comments in other threads read to me..



Then you read them wrongly.  You projected something onto me that wasn't there. It makes no sense to me that a given dominant doesn't make his/her rules in relation to his/her submissive, after negotiation about the parameters of those rules.  I don't really see how there could be a D/s relationship otherwise.


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ORIGINAL  It was aimed at you and any other dominant (or indeed sub) who apparently aspires to make the rules that they think should apply everywhere


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*shrug* As in the rest of your post, you are projecting and assuming a great deal.  When I say "the dominant sets the rules", in my eyes it's very much like saying "the sky is up".  I have no interest in setting the rules for other players, nor in adopting their rules for myself.  For example, I could give a flying fig about controlling my own submissive's weight--he doesn't need it--and I have very little interest in micro-managing what he eats or dictating his exercise regimen..


Again, I stand corrected.  I misread your line "I think a dominant is entitled to ask for and receive what she desires from her submissive. Control over the body means control over the body: within the limits of sanity and safety, a dominant should be able to exert just about any sort of control she desires." (my emphasis)

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One thing I have noticed about your posts on the subject of female authority is that you always seem to take a comment on female authority as the opportunity to project some sort of excessively horrid worst-case scenario.  It's always used to harm you or ruin your life.  This thread is no different from any other in which you immediately conjure up the Bad Domme controlling you to your detriment somehow.  "Oh, I could never allow a woman to have any control over how I speak.  She'd make me talk slash-speak to my boss and my Mum!" 


This is one of  your 'you seem to' comments again.  No evidence, just your feeling.   What are you talking about?  Why would I be seeking a dominant if I believe that she might harm or ruin my life? 

When I first came to CM, last summer, I had lots of questions - some, no doubt, very basic.  My first big question was 'Are these women really dominants, or is this just my hopes deluding me again?'  The answer to that question was a very clear, 'Yes, they're really dominants'.  Then, my big question turned the other way.  It became, "OK, they're dominants.  But can they also be human, loving, decent, balanced?"  The answer to that was 'yes', too - for the most part.

But I'm afraid that last is not true with you, Shakti.  You have smarts and you often show a very keen sense of observation.  However, when you called me a "promiscuous little attention-whore" a while back, I felt it as more insulting than anything anyone's said to me on this board because I have an ethical sense regarding that matter that seems wholly beyond your ability to grasp.  It was an entirely baseless slur.  You've never apologised for it, just as I cannot recall you apologising for any other insult I've seen you give to anyone else.  Your rudeness, your frequent sharpness to people, are by the way.  On the sole
basis of the fact that you can't bring yourself to apologise I couldn't trust you as a dominant.  It smacks too strongly to me of lack of balance, and lack of self-control, in your sense of dominance. 


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