Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Submissive >> RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/23/2007 1:25:06 PM   
undergroundsea


Posts: 2400
Joined: 6/27/2004
From: Austin, TX
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: selfbnd411
I don't think this is a sub-Domme issue.  This is just a normal relationship issue that results from people being afraid of the potential confrontation of deciding that someone isn't the partner they're looking for.  I'm not saying it's right, but it happens.


I agree. Here is a paste from a prior relevant discussion which described this occurrence as poofing.


I think poofing is a human phenomenon versus one associated with any gender or role. I have been reflecting on why it occurs and here are some ideas that come to mind.

I think how a relationship--in whichever stage--fares depends on satisfaction one derives from the relationship weighed against the energy required by the relationship. I think this balance can be dynamic and sometimes poofing occurs when this balance goes south.

I have never stood someone up for a meeting and then disappeared. However, I have been part of a dialogue that subsided where I stopped writing. I don't remember ever completely ignoring emails in a running dialogue. However, the time to respond sometimes goes up, or the response reduces to small talk or formality versus an engaging conversation. This sometimes occurs when the interpersonal compatibility, BDSM compatibility, or the situational compatibility (the other person is attached, not local, seeking different things, etc) appears weak and not headed in any direction. That is, the balance between the reward felt and the energy needed leans towards poofing or, at least, stepping back a bit. I have been at each end of this situation.

I think sometimes poofing occurs when the level of interest appears to have become assymetrical between two people. I have backed away when someone's interest in me seemed to greatly exceed my interest.

Sometimes poofing occurs because of change in circumstances; someone curious about BDSM needs to figure out what their deal is; or perhaps someone more compatible comes into the picture.

I think sometimes poofing occurs because one is trying to force a relationship for the sake of a relationship wanted at the expense of suppressing a feeling that the compatibility is moderate or low. Eventually, the lack of compatibility overwhelms the want to force a relationship.

In any case, I think poofing is usually an action that delivers a message consciously or subconsciously; it is saying that the interest level and circumstances do not create a want for continued or, at least, frequent dialogue at that time. While compassionate, direct communication may be a better approach, I think poofing is the easier route out and is what occurs more frequently across people.

I can remember two instances of a young dialogue where I stopped writing just because I had not written for a while, and I felt that I was expected to write regularly. The perception about this expectation on behalf of the other may have indeed been a misperception. And in each case, general state of being busy (a trip and catching up with things for being away, holidays) is what first caused the gap in communication. Then time just passed. Not having written in a while made the step to write after a long gap seem a bit awkward.....

Umm. Hi! I know I haven't written in a couple of months after short period of a few, frequent exchanges...but umm....how's it going?

;-)

The reason to not have written regularly was not because of complete lack of interest, but that the interest level and overall compatibility did not suggest or motivate a regular, frequent conversation.

On a related note about frequency of conversation, I think sometimes it can be healthy in the early stages of a courtship for each person to not immediately respond upon reading an email (it can easily become multiple messages a day!). Frequent messages back and forth may become odd if everything else needed for that frequency of communication is not yet there. Also, when two people have been responding immediately on an on-going basis and eventually demands on time begin to catch up, the sudden departure from that routine without discussion would feel odd. Some things taste better when cooked slowly, some have the right ingredients to use high heat.

So that's my take. I would love to hear from someone who has a different take for the sake of hearing different perspectives.

Cheers,

Sea

(in reply to selfbnd411)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/23/2007 2:32:41 PM   
addicted2it


Posts: 322
Joined: 5/31/2004
From: California
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: bowandserve

As a female domme I get tons of requests. I think I weed them out then agree to meet with a sub - at a normal dinner "date". They typically then express their surprise at me (ok so I'll say it - I'm quite attractive and "normal") and beg for the chance to submit. I tell them upfront how demanding I am since I am looking for long term, not just a play partner as those are a dime a dozen. After the first play time they reflect how amazing it was,etc, etc. Maybe meet up a few more times. They are expected to keep communication open - I am very sensitive to a subs needs and try to guide them through their emotions. I let them know that as long as they tell me what's going on it's not a big deal. They are compliant and again express how they are so surprised "someone like me" is out there. We make plans...

Then, it's happened more than a few times that they literally drop off. Don't respond to emails and don't give a reason. A few later on come back and say - oh it was more than I thought it would be or I was afraid I couldn't live up to you. Another interesting comment is I made it real. As in, everyone complains that there are fakes and then here they are talking the talk but then not walking the walk. I do feel like I try to reassure them but walk the line of I'm the dominant one don't put up with a lot of drama - they wouldn't see me as the dominant one if I let them get away with bs excuses (I had to go help a friend who's car broke down and there's no phone, my computer was getting fixed, etc...). I am firm about that while letting them know I'm also human and intuitive to their needs. This I think in turn freaks them out more that I can read them.

So - are they feeding me bs or are those legitimate fears/concerns? What can I do to prevent this from happening?


Hello, bowandserve,

I just have to ask these two questions:


  • How well do you know these prospective submissives? 
  • How much time do you devote to the courtship (for lack of a better word)?
Something that happens with male submissives is that they often "baulk" when faced with the reality of BDSM, rather than the fantasy.  Perhaps the relationship is moving too fast for them to digest.  Perhaps they had no idea exactly what to expect.  Perhaps they are insecure and afraid that they cannot live up to your expectations.   Perhaps they didn't want a 24/7 relationship domme, but were afraid to admit it. 

It is always sad when someone you thought you knew just seems to drop off the face of the earth.  There is really no excuse for this kind of behavior, especially when you have opened the door to open and honest discussion.

It's too bad that subs don't come with references.  And if they did, those references would probably reflect that they were at high-risk for a relationship.

As far as what you should do in the future to minimize the risk, I would only suggest that you take as much time as you need to get to know the person.  Get to know them on various levels, not just as submissive or slave material.




< Message edited by addicted2it -- 4/23/2007 2:34:11 PM >


_____________________________

"What I lack in wisdom and intelligence, I more than make up or with age."

(in reply to bowandserve)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/23/2007 9:25:42 PM   
DreamyLadySnow


Posts: 359
Joined: 1/23/2005
Status: offline
bowandserve,
I've heard this phenomenon referred to as 'poof boys' and they seem to be quite common. Annoying common.
I think a lot of them have trouble integrating their fantasy with the reality that you present. They get scared and bugger off.
That's just my opinion.

LS

(in reply to Celeste43)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/23/2007 9:42:06 PM   
subfever


Posts: 2895
Joined: 5/22/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: bowandserve
What can I do to prevent this from happening?


That's easy... just pick me.

Next question?...

(in reply to bowandserve)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/23/2007 10:03:47 PM   
CoyoteWhips


Posts: 45
Joined: 9/11/2006
From: Fitchburg, Mass.
Status: offline
I've never poofed; I'm pretty invested in the local scene.  However, as a total do-me bottom, I can see where a poof might happen.  There aren't many of us who've experienced everything we think we need.  There's a world of difference between knowing and being.  You try stuff new things, learn more about yourself, maybe discover that's not the path you wanted to take after all. 

So, how do you tell somebody you've promised enduring devotion that you're just not feeling it anymore?  So many submissives have never even imagined the situation, let alone learned how to prepare for it.  Poofing is an inelegant try at a graceful withdrawal.


(in reply to bowandserve)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/23/2007 10:17:14 PM   
MsRose


Posts: 98
Joined: 5/1/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

quote:

ORIGINAL: selfbnd411
I don't think this is a sub-Domme issue.  This is just a normal relationship issue that results from people being afraid of the potential confrontation of deciding that someone isn't the partner they're looking for.  I'm not saying it's right, but it happens.


I agree. Here is a paste from a prior relevant discussion which described this occurrence as poofing.




Is it possible then for subs (in reference to the OP's situation) to overcome the need to poof? Or are we destined to encounter this condition over and over again and just accept it as a matter of human (bad) form?


_____________________________

"man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains" ~ Rousseau.

(in reply to undergroundsea)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/23/2007 10:56:58 PM   
CoyoteWhips


Posts: 45
Joined: 9/11/2006
From: Fitchburg, Mass.
Status: offline
quote:



Is it possible then for subs (in reference to the OP's situation) to overcome the need to poof? Or are we destined to encounter this condition over and over again and just accept it as a matter of human (bad) form?



Dominas are typically going to be the more experienced in the relationship.  Unless we're expecting some kind of massive educational project to kick in, uncollared submissives are never going to improve overall.

Keep in mind that the early stages of the relationship is volatile and likely temporary.  Don't be asking for total devotion from a submissive who hasn't learned what that is, yet.

If you don't have a ready supply of seasoned slaves with proven track records in long term relationships, you're gonna have to grow your own.


(in reply to MsRose)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/24/2007 9:54:27 PM   
littlesarbonn


Posts: 1710
Joined: 12/3/2005
From: Stockton, California
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

Let me explain this briefly, they were liars.
There are very few real submissive men on here.
Most of the males that call themselves submissive on here,
are do me bottoms.



I think it's this very prevalent attitude (warranted or not) that cause a lot of us serious submissives to drop off the radar completely. The sincere ones tend to keep paying the price for the game players to the point where the sincere ones either find a sincere dominant, or they give up and pull themselves out of the running.


_____________________________

<---- FYI, this picture looks JUST like me


http://www.littlesarbonn.com/Stickman/Stickman.htm
The Adventures of Stickman and the Unemployed Lego Spaceman

(in reply to MistressDoMe)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/24/2007 10:02:00 PM   
MsRose


Posts: 98
Joined: 5/1/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: CoyoteWhips

quote:



Is it possible then for subs (in reference to the OP's situation) to overcome the need to poof? Or are we destined to encounter this condition over and over again and just accept it as a matter of human (bad) form?



Dominas are typically going to be the more experienced in the relationship.  Unless we're expecting some kind of massive educational project to kick in, uncollared submissives are never going to improve overall.

Keep in mind that the early stages of the relationship is volatile and likely temporary.  Don't be asking for total devotion from a submissive who hasn't learned what that is, yet.

If you don't have a ready supply of seasoned slaves with proven track records in long term relationships, you're gonna have to grow your own.




Thanks for the tip, CoyoteWhips. I've never dreamed of asking for 'total devotion' up front. Never expect it. Grow my own subs? Now there's a thought...


_____________________________

"man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains" ~ Rousseau.

(in reply to CoyoteWhips)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/24/2007 10:12:32 PM   
CoyoteWhips


Posts: 45
Joined: 9/11/2006
From: Fitchburg, Mass.
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: MsRose

Thanks for the tip, CoyoteWhips. I've never dreamed of asking for 'total devotion' up front. Never expect it. Grow my own subs? Now there's a thought...



Yeah, you know some are gonna try offering it.

"Oh, beautiful Mistress; I will serve you forever!"



(in reply to MsRose)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/24/2007 10:34:04 PM   
BBBTBW


Posts: 836
Joined: 5/21/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: iwearpanties

as a sub male i have had the total oppsite i cant get a Mistress to even give me the chance so i undertsand if your fustreated ....... ive found many dont wnat too deal with a male sub whos above avg height. many ive spoken with have simluar answer you cant be sub and be that tall  


I wonder what physical stature has to do with a person's station in life.  That one perplexes me.

In response to the OP.  We all deal with the mysteriously disappearing sub.  Everything seems to be going along FABULOUSLY then all of a sudden, thin air seems to capture them.  Who knows why this truely happens....Most of the explanations are weak at best.

_____________________________

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means" -- Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

(in reply to iwearpanties)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/25/2007 1:54:08 PM   
sunfleur


Posts: 75
Joined: 11/13/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: svipdagson

unfortunately, many of the players in this lifestyle know the words to say, but have not had any real experience. 


i think that's the nail on the head.   many have walked the online walk.. only. 
i'd much rather have some one tell me up front.. they're not interested, or, thanks but no thanks.
sun

(in reply to svipdagson)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/25/2007 5:18:37 PM   
stockingluvr54


Posts: 673
Joined: 6/22/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDoMe

Let me explain this briefly, they were liars.
There are very few real submissive men on here.
Most of the males that call themselves submissive on here,
are do me bottoms.



Are you a do-me top Mistress DoMe.....?????

(don't take it personal Mistress...I was just being a smartass again...lmao)

(in reply to MistressDoMe)
Profile   Post #: 33
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/25/2007 5:25:41 PM   
cindyhypno


Posts: 27
Joined: 11/1/2006
Status: offline
Obviously there is a huge difference between talking about things online and actually being strapped down with a Mistress (say me) coming at you with her strapon or a cane. How will you react then??

_____________________________

Cynthia (Dominant)
My Site
Health thru hypnosis

(in reply to stockingluvr54)
Profile   Post #: 34
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/25/2007 5:37:26 PM   
CoyoteWhips


Posts: 45
Joined: 9/11/2006
From: Fitchburg, Mass.
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: cindyhypno

Obviously there is a huge difference between talking about things online and actually being strapped down with a Mistress (say me) coming at you with her strapon or a cane. How will you react then??


I typically smile -- at least in the start ... and somewhat after.


(in reply to cindyhypno)
Profile   Post #: 35
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/25/2007 6:00:29 PM   
MsCfromMelbourne


Posts: 777
Joined: 2/15/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: bowandserve

So - are they feeding me bs or are those legitimate fears/concerns? What can I do to prevent this from happening?


Hope I am not repeating the advice of others:

The sub's reason for leaving may be legitimate, so you can do some things to prevent that happening over and over.  Blaming the subs as "fake" is not helpful.  I am never approached by fakes .....so how do you explain that?  Its practice not luck.

1) Internet BDSM is completely different to real life and all the email in the world does not prepare one for the Real Deal.  Its intimidating making the leap from the talk the talk to the walking the walk. I prefer subs with demonstrated experience (even if its only pro-dommes) to curious beginners. 

2) Many (lonely) people love the instant intimacy of net romance.  They weave fantasies around all the things that will happen when they meet the mystery person.  So many first meetings are a real let down.  No matter how attractive and charming you may be, you cannot possibly match the fantasy in the other person's mind's eye.  Some don't even make it to the meeting: they don't want their fantasy ruined by the real you.  Avoid the fantasists. 

3) Many subs tell me they loved the sexy commanding things a Domme wrote, but took one look at her in real life and knew they could never be attracted to her.  No chemistry. Swap photos so you can rule out the instant yuck factor 

4) New members online are like kids in a candy store.  They run from Domme to Domme because they can (looking for the "best"?).  They may come back when they realise they Lost a Good Thing.  Make it clear you don't like to subs who are Domme-shopping.  Don't give men like that a chance

5) Married men and men looking for free topping will slip through the net.  I don't top anyone until he agrees that I can walk into his house any time I like and do it.  A genuine sub will hand me his house keys and beg me to show up that day!  That gets rid of frauds and dreamers.  If I guy cannot trust me with his house keys, he sure as hell shouldn't trust me with his balls!!

What else can you do to avoid the problem?

1) Do not indulge in BDSM talk online.  It only fuels fantasies that may become more enjoyable than dealing with you in real life

2) Do not make a sub commit to you online.  Make it clear he canot serve you as his Domme until you know and trust eachother in real life

3) Meet QUICKLY before a cyber-relationship establishes itself.  I don't need subs in cyberspace; I need them in my reality. 

4) Be pleasant and natural.  You have no idea how many women think they need to be bitchy, demanding and domineering in the first meeting to prove they are a "Real Dominant". 

5) Do not dominate any man until he earns the privilege of that intimacy.  I treat potential subs the same way I treat a vanilla date (ie I flirt, question, laugh, check him out etc  :).  If they think they are going to get a  kinky session on a first date, they are sorely disappointed.  The only kinky thing I do is take their BDSM limits list and ask a few questions about anything I consider unusual or incompatible with me. 

6) Make clear if you want to see him again and when .  Take control of the relationship.  Don't fear rejection.  If the guy concludes that you are "too good for him", he is probably right.  Aim higher.

7) If he disappears, accept graciously that he was not into you (for whatever reason) and move on!! 

8) Later when you have moved on, ask him why he did not pursue you, if you think the feedback would help you

< Message edited by MsCfromMelbourne -- 4/25/2007 6:29:55 PM >


_____________________________

<----- Corset, mask and collar designed and manufactured by metalsmith Karl H, chromed and lined in black suede. Masks and collars available from http://www.lucreziadesade.com.au/default.html. Corsets custom made only

(in reply to bowandserve)
Profile   Post #: 36
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/25/2007 6:25:45 PM   
CoyoteWhips


Posts: 45
Joined: 9/11/2006
From: Fitchburg, Mass.
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

quote:

ORIGINAL: bowandserve

So - are they feeding me bs or are those legitimate fears/concerns? What can I do to prevent this from happening?


Hope I am not repeating the advice of others:

The sub's reason for leaving may be legitimate, so you can do some things to prevent that happening over and over.  Blaming the subs as "fake" is not helpful.  I am never approached by fakes .....so how do you explain that?  Its practice not luck.

1..8


That should be printed on a laminated card that comes with the Domina Membership Kit.


(in reply to MsCfromMelbourne)
Profile   Post #: 37
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/25/2007 6:28:37 PM   
MercilessMarcy


Posts: 80
Joined: 11/12/2006
Status: offline
I haven't had disappearing subs.  What I do is try to make myself VERY CLEAR and I go SLOW, particularly if they say they have little experience.  I don't think they're undone if the experience doesn't match their fantasy.  I think they're undone if not given the time to accept each step.  My motto, "Always leave them wanting more, and a little worried about what they are going to get!"

(in reply to MsCfromMelbourne)
Profile   Post #: 38
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/26/2007 8:42:13 AM   
stockingluvr54


Posts: 673
Joined: 6/22/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: cindyhypno

Obviously there is a huge difference between talking about things online and actually being strapped down with a Mistress (say me) coming at you with her strapon or a cane. How will you react then??


In all seriousness.....scared shitless!!!! 

(in reply to cindyhypno)
Profile   Post #: 39
RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? - 4/26/2007 8:56:56 AM   
MstrssPassion


Posts: 2444
Joined: 1/1/2004
From: West Palm Beach, FL
Status: offline
I've had this happen many times in the past & I've heard the same BS excuses. Everyone wants reality until they find out just what real is all about. What I find even more peculiar is that in some cases, years down the road they mysteriously pop up again & start talking to me like we had just talked day before.

As to what to do? Find closure & move on. As to preventing it in the future... you can't. Though our goal is to "control' those who submit to us we have no real control on their choice to do so or not. That is why I view my dominance as a guidance because in all reality the only person I am going to be in control of is myself.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bowandserve

As a female domme I get tons of requests. I think I weed them out then agree to meet with a sub - at a normal dinner "date". They typically then express their surprise at me (ok so I'll say it - I'm quite attractive and "normal") and beg for the chance to submit. I tell them upfront how demanding I am since I am looking for long term, not just a play partner as those are a dime a dozen. After the first play time they reflect how amazing it was,etc, etc. Maybe meet up a few more times. They are expected to keep communication open - I am very sensitive to a subs needs and try to guide them through their emotions. I let them know that as long as they tell me what's going on it's not a big deal. They are compliant and again express how they are so surprised "someone like me" is out there. We make plans...

Then, it's happened more than a few times that they literally drop off. Don't respond to emails and don't give a reason. A few later on come back and say - oh it was more than I thought it would be or I was afraid I couldn't live up to you. Another interesting comment is I made it real. As in, everyone complains that there are fakes and then here they are talking the talk but then not walking the walk. I do feel like I try to reassure them but walk the line of I'm the dominant one don't put up with a lot of drama - they wouldn't see me as the dominant one if I let them get away with bs excuses (I had to go help a friend who's car broke down and there's no phone, my computer was getting fixed, etc...). I am firm about that while letting them know I'm also human and intuitive to their needs. This I think in turn freaks them out more that I can read them.

So - are they feeding me bs or are those legitimate fears/concerns? What can I do to prevent this from happening?


< Message edited by MstrssPassion -- 4/26/2007 9:01:06 AM >


_____________________________

MstrssPassion


(in reply to bowandserve)
Profile   Post #: 40
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Submissive >> RE: Male subs - what causes you to suddenly drop off? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.108