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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:23:38 PM   
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i often (and quite frequently) think about death and how much it may resemble life...but that's just me


Does that mean that when you want off the boat you have to "live" yourself?

Yeah.  Groan.  Bad joke.  You loved it.

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:34:11 PM   
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What is the meaning of life.... hrmmmmm.....

If there is a thing near to universal meaning of life.

I'd say it's the desire to create and discover.

What person doesn't like to create something. The cook likes creating dishes from parts of otherwise less desirable components. The engineer makes machines and structures, that serve a greater purpose than there individual parts.  The artist creates pictures, or sculptures. The scientist seeks to understand how things are created and function. To see and understand the process of creation manifest.

I'd say it would be impossible for anyone to be happy and content, living a life devoid of creating and discovering. It's just different people are interested in creating different things.


If there was anything close to the unviversal meanign of life, it would be to destroy.

Tress are destroyed by lumberjacks to create the paper for artists to create paintings on.

Animals and vegetables are destroyed to create the food by cooks.

A whole list of resources are destroyed to create the machines by engineers.

All these new things that are created eventually get destroyed so other things can be created. For example, the food created gets destroyed by the restaurant customers to create energy for their bodies.

Eventually, we'll be destroyed so we can decay and return nutrients to the soil so new trees and plants can be created.

It would be impossible for anyone to live a life of happiness and contentness without destroying something.

Its just that some people like to destroy different things.

So really...the universal meaning of life is to destroy.

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:34:58 PM   
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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:38:06 PM   
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My boss, who I insult regularly as a training tool, has a sign over her desk that reads "You call me a bitch like its a bad thing."

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Sinergy,

I have that same saying on a couple shirts, a bumpersticker and a little plaque!


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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:40:29 PM   
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I believe were are given life to live to the fullest and when they drag me to the grave kicking and screaming you will hear me shouting "BOY what a hellva ride"


i have awaited it for a long time, so i will go willingly, peacefully and without regret. it's been a long time coming for me.



a long time coming... are you terminally ill? terminally sad or bored?

If Life as it exists for you now has brought you so low... time to find something brave daring noble purely foolish or any of these... you are a vital essence here and now, have you no criticisms that you might apply your life towards rectifying or even just shining some light upon?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/dylanthomas/bibliography/pages/do_not_go_gentle.shtml

...written for his dying father...

Do Not Go Gentle into That Good Night By Dylan Thomas

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:42:35 PM   
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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:43:38 PM   
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What is the meaning of life.... hrmmmmm.....

If there is a thing near to universal meaning of life.

I'd say it's the desire to create and discover.

What person doesn't like to create something. The cook likes creating dishes from parts of otherwise less desirable components. The engineer makes machines and structures, that serve a greater purpose than there individual parts.  The artist creates pictures, or sculptures. The scientist seeks to understand how things are created and function. To see and understand the process of creation manifest.

I'd say it would be impossible for anyone to be happy and content, living a life devoid of creating and discovering. It's just different people are interested in creating different things.


If there was anything close to the unviversal meanign of life, it would be to destroy.

Tress are destroyed by lumberjacks to create the paper for artists to create paintings on.

Animals and vegetables are destroyed to create the food by cooks.

A whole list of resources are destroyed to create the machines by engineers.

All these new things that are created eventually get destroyed so other things can be created. For example, the food created gets destroyed by the restaurant customers to create energy for their bodies.

It would be impossible for anyone to live a life of happiness and contentness without destroying something.

Its just that some people like to destroy different things.

So really...the universal meaning of life is to destroy.


Well, there is always a valid counter argument...

But, I prefer to look at it that the sum is greater than the individual parts. A tree is a tree, and if you cut down that tree a new one will grow back in a normal scenario. So, you still end up with one tree. If  you didn't cut it down to make paper, then the writer would never have created. So, in the end you have 1 destroy tree, 1 new tree, and a new creative work.

The food you speak of would have died over the winter, in many cases, so in a time frame of a year Life=Life. The only difference being, if the plant would have survived the winter, and wasn't slaughter for our ingestion is that we wouldn't have eaten it and shit it out to fuel the new life. So, you'd have old plant life versus new.

It's ultimately a destructive and constructive process, but in the end from the examples you gave it's easy to infinitely maintain a positive constructive outcome.

We aren't really doing that, we are in many cases, being destructive, to the detriment of the system, but my point is it doesn't have to exist in that state.

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:49:06 PM   
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the perfect thing to post to someone that is very much depressed...a depressing poem...typical


That poem isn't depressing.  If you reread it, it tells you that life is worth fighting for.

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:49:20 PM   
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the perfect thing to post to someone that is very much depressed...a depressing poem...typical


Not knowing the source of your angst I had not much to go on... was meant helpfully.

No need to get snotty.

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:51:40 PM   
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That poem isn't depressing. If you reread it, it tells you that life is worth fighting for.


to me, it was


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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:52:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		How is that poem depressing?  Dylan is telling his father to fight.  It says "Do NOT go gently..."  Michael, have you thought about getting professional help?

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:52:49 PM   
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Not knowing the source of your angst I had not much to go on... was meant helpfully.


thank you for trying


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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 3:55:48 PM   
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How is that poem depressing?  Dylan is telling his father to fight.  It says "Do NOT go gently..."  Michael, have you thought about getting professional help?


i have tried doctors and shrinks from coast to coast and it's all the same rhetoric. i have heard the same thing so many times i can quote it by heart. i've tried every med (and combination thereof) over the course of my lifetime to the point that they are little more than placebos to me.

so, yes...i have.


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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 4:00:28 PM   
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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 4:01:21 PM   
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But, I prefer to look at it that the sum is greater than the individual parts. A tree is a tree, and if you cut down that tree a new one will grow back in a normal scenario. So, you still end up with one tree. If  you didn't cut it down to make paper, then the writer would never have created. So, in the end you have 1 destroy tree, 1 new tree, and a new creative work.



Add onto that scenario that the paper decayed to return the nutrients needed to create that tree and it balances out the equation.

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The food you speak of would have died over the winter, in many cases, so in a time frame of a year Life=Life. The only difference being, if the plant would have survived the winter, and wasn't slaughter for our ingestion is that we wouldn't have eaten it and shit it out to fuel the new life. So, you'd have old plant life versus new.



Same as above...the decaying food would have returned the same energy and nutrients for the new plant life. Hence it balances out.

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It's ultimately a destructive and constructive process, but in the end from the examples you gave it's easy to infinitely maintain a positive constructive outcome.

 

That needs infinitely negative destructive outcomes to maintain the infinite positive outcomes. 

Also...if the loop were to end, it would end with a negative destructive outcome as opposed to the positive constructive outcome.

Example : The sun blows up and Earth becomes a dead drifting planet, devoid of all life.

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We aren't really doing that, we are in many cases, being destructive, to the detriment of the system, but my point is it doesn't have to exist in that state.



Unless the destruction of the system is only to create a new system that we just cant comprehend yet.

Example...the destruction of the Roman Empire led to the creation of several new countires.

The detriment of the system only resulted in a new system being born so the balanced equation still works out.

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 4:06:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		  What is the meaning of life?  Well to put it simply in lifestyle terms...there is only control and choice.  Everyone one of us excepts some form of controls on us... whether religion, job, family, friends, etc.  The only thing to balance it...is choice...the choice to alloy that control or not. 
  Now for the hard part....understanding why you made that choice!

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 4:07:48 PM   
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How is that poem depressing?  Dylan is telling his father to fight.  It says "Do NOT go gently..."  Michael, have you thought about getting professional help?


i have tried doctors and shrinks from coast to coast and it's all the same rhetoric. i have heard the same thing so many times i can quote it by heart. i've tried every med (and combination thereof) over the course of my lifetime to the point that they are little more than placebos to me.

so, yes...i have.



If you have not yet consulted with a "naturopath", I would encourage you to look into it.

Naturopathic doctors are trained in both traditional ('allopathic') and 'alternative' (holistic, wholistic, nutritional etc) therapies.

Worth a try.

I wish you well.

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 4:09:58 PM   
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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 4:12:41 PM   
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42 = life, the universe, and everything

Solve for life.

Life = 42 minus the universe and everything.

Any questions?

Sinergy

edited to do the math


Yes.  What is the equation if the universe is removed from the formula?

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RE: what is the meaning of life? - 4/24/2007 4:17:40 PM   
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Then you've got to find something worth living for, Michael.  Seriously, the alternative is not good.


the alternative is inevitible


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