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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/24/2007 8:34:38 PM   
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To the OP, definitely not.  Politeness and intelligence yes, but not obedience. Some of the other posters touched on this; but for me I'd much prefer offering control and having it either accepted or rejected depending on their comfort level than outright requiring it.  Hasn't been much of an issue doing it in this manner because I can usually get a sense of wether or not that paticular approach will work or not before I do offer.

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/24/2007 8:42:05 PM   
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When Master and I met, He did not give me orders.  Infact, He did not order me to do anything until I actually gave myself to Him. What He did do though, was tell me what He liked and or wanted and gave me the choice to do it if I desired.  As I wanted very much to please Him, I of course did those things. 
This is also how He started with my sister sub.  She did the same thing.  She wanted to please Him and did what He wanted. 
For Master, it is the natural desire to please that is important. 
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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/24/2007 8:49:28 PM   
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I would never expect instant obedience, I expect courtesy and manners.
Obedience and trust I feel are normally earned as the relationship develops.

But, he should not expect instant play either. No play until you can obey.

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/24/2007 9:23:11 PM   
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quote:


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Lol. I keep threatening to use the damn things as kindling in the fireplace!


If only my dom had a fireplace lol


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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/24/2007 10:58:34 PM   
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Absolutely... NOT!

I don't tend towards demands, unless I'm dealing with an unruly contractor that can't pull his head out of... Yeah, you get the idea.

When it comes to submissive personalities, I generally speak to them the same as anyone else, with an understanding that they are submissive, and a tailored method of addressing them, in a non-obtrusive manner as a submissive.

When it comes to slave personalities, I may expect them to uphold more rigid address protocols, but only those that they are familiar with... Or not... I think it's acceptable, under any circumstances to expect the same amount of respect given.

To also expect that if you put the submissive to use by "requesting" certain things to be done, one could expect that they be done. If they are outright refused, wasting time with testing or pursuit any further is fruitless.

I consider basic things such as a request to have a phone call, or have an e-mail in my inbox by a certain time will be obeyed. If not, they aren't interested enough to warrant serious consideration.

If they do, but they're late, there could be a number of underlying factors to consider. Perhaps they need discipline in their timing. Perhaps their "pushing" for effect. Perhaps they're "testing limits"... Perhaps they're simply simply absent minded. Or any number of other things that aren't coming to mind right at the moment.

Someone that is eager to please is going to show this, by "obeying" certain "requests". I'm mildly surprised every time that it happens in the beginning, and it pleases me, of course, as I'm not truly expecting anything of them, rather testing to see if those expectations can or will be met.

I don't expect it wholeheartedly, however, any more than I'd demand it. To do so only sets me up for disappointment. I have enough in my life, dealing with other people, setting me up in one way or another, I don't need to do it myself.

So that said, absolutely not. There's no reason to expect any obedience from someone other than the obedience which is born of respect, which has been earned. I do expect that someone show respect, but that's also because I give what I expect in return... First. Of course, if they don't show the respect, I don't verbalize that. It's more of a mental thing for me.

If they fail to return respect that I've shown in a like manner, I kick em to the curb. After all, if they can't be courteous and respectful (whether they have factual respect for me or not) then they aren't worth investing my energy into.

If I were in a completely M/s environment and the "rules of engagement" had been laid down with obedience in my favour, of course I'd enforce obedience, but that's an entirely different situation.

I don't expect total obedience right off the bat from anyone. I do expect the upholding of protocols as they apply, and the common courtesy and manners expected in even the most vanilla of environments. Being polite is a sign of a proper attitude to me.

I'm with Dominic in that I read things as they flow, and if they don't flow, I discontinue the interaction. There's no point to demanding something if the person is not willing to place themselves under my authority.

I'm not sure if I'm repeating myself here or not. Which I know I have that tendency sometimes.

Ahh well, chit happens.

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/25/2007 5:14:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhippingPostNY

quote:

are you seeking instant obedience before actually "getting to know" your potential submissive


Absolutely not!  Now do it!

WP

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/25/2007 6:46:23 AM   
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Actually, yes, my Master looked for it. He didn't demand it. He didn't expect it. But he definitely looked for it.

Obedience is one of the hallmarks for his relationships. It is what he craves the most, so of course he's going to look for the ability to be obedient in any woman he's meeting. And he's going to pass by those who don't appear to be able to manage that.

He doesn't expect anyone to do anything they don't feel able to do. But if they are able to manage some cursory forms of obedience, he has the right signals to move forward and see where the relationship goes.

Just meeting someone is not the place to demand anything. It's a getting to know you process, but he IS going to watch for the little bits of yielding that indicate to him that there's something there to work with.

In my case, my greatest desire was to find someone who had all the right amounts of the right things where I could feel comfortable being obedient. Obedience is VERY important to me in my life. So, it's only natural that if I'm making it known to someone that I am interested in him, I'm going to give some indication to him that I enjoy being obedient.

Will I jump off a bridge cause he says so? lol...not even now would I do that.

But yes, I was obedient from the first time we met. The levels of obedience grew as we grew closer.

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/25/2007 7:37:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: julietsierra

Actually, yes, my Master looked for it. He didn't demand it. He didn't expect it. But he definitely looked for it.
<snip>
But yes, I was obedient from the first time we met. The levels of obedience grew as we grew closer.


This sounds like my girl and I to the letter. I don't expect obedience unless freely given, but once given, I do expect a mindset of continuing obedience. I do look for the little signals that tell me one is inclined to obey and submit. Once I know it's available, then it's a "dance" to see how it will all turn out.






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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/25/2007 8:14:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

thank you for your replies - i for one must be comfortable and safe before fully obedient to anyone (trust issues) ...this where the "getting to know" me part comes into play. i don't blindly obey however i will be curteous and nice.


I agree with you samba. I would have serious reservations with someone who blindly does anything. What you misunderstood is that in the getting to you phase, my expectations are appropriate for that part of the building of trust process. In other words, what I expect are very little things, very simple ones. I'm hardly in a rush. It took three months of getting to know each other before my slave and I met for our first fetish experience together

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/25/2007 8:39:47 AM   
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Tiger,

How do your reconcile your rather egalitarian post here with your profile which states:

quote:

  
Females interested need be under 5'6" in height, under 150 lbs. be clean, shaven, and NOT have HARD BOUNDARIES which interfere with the above mentioned activities.

Race is not overtly important, but MENTALITY IS! NO STRICT SUBBIES. I dont mind a submissive slave, but a sub pretending to be slave is NOT going to work for Me.

If you reach Me at gmail, you will address Me as Master Tiger, tell Me about yourself, and give Me a limits list and one fantasy.
This will go into My BDSM files and I will then be able to gauge where to go from there. I am seeking only those intereseted in a COMPLETE and TOTAL 24-7 Power Exchange.

This will result in a PERMANENT collaring of the sub/slave, to live the rest of her days with her Master, her Owner.



Perhaps it is just me but somewhere there seems to be a rather large disconnect.

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/25/2007 12:23:03 PM   
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no i didn't misunderstood you.

i don't trust people off the bat even during the getting to know me phase ...your expectations however appropriate to you won't probably seem that way to me.


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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/25/2007 1:07:10 PM   
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my Master would not "demand" instant and automatic obedience of a submissive he had just met, however he would certainly expect it, and if it was not given then the relationship would never proceed past the friendship/acquaintance level.

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/25/2007 1:24:58 PM   
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I'm answering this question twice because I'm a switch and I find it interesting that my replies are so contradictory.

As a Domme -I only play casually.  So I want instant obedience, because for all I know the four hours we spend together are the only four hours we will ever spend together.  I want to make the most of the 'scene' that we've set up, so I purposely do things to get myself into that "Domme mode" so that I can be the fiercest and most spoiled princess he has ever encountered.  Thus I feel a disconnect if he isn't really "into" it, and I either get irritated or feel bad for being so "mean" - neither of which sets the mood for a good playtime.

As a sub however - I don't play casually.  I can't submit to a man until I've developed feelings for him and there has to be some sort of commitment, even an emotional commitment, before I can be totally obedient.  And actually, that sort of "moment of truth" when a boundary is first pushed, and I go with the obey instinct rather than the push him away instinct is one of the hottest things imaginable.   It's sort of like the first time your partner says "I love you" - you just sort of know that it's right and it makes the relationship tha much closer.

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/25/2007 7:45:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Tiger,

How do your reconcile your rather egalitarian post here with your profile which states:

quote:


Females interested need be under 5'6" in height, under 150 lbs. be clean, shaven, and NOT have HARD BOUNDARIES which interfere with the above mentioned activities.

Race is not overtly important, but MENTALITY IS! NO STRICT SUBBIES. I dont mind a submissive slave, but a sub pretending to be slave is NOT going to work for Me.

If you reach Me at gmail, you will address Me as Master Tiger, tell Me about yourself, and give Me a limits list and one fantasy.
This will go into My BDSM files and I will then be able to gauge where to go from there. I am seeking only those intereseted in a COMPLETE and TOTAL 24-7 Power Exchange.

This will result in a PERMANENT collaring of the sub/slave, to live the rest of her days with her Master, her Owner.



Perhaps it is just me but somewhere there seems to be a rather large disconnect.


I know you're asking for Tiger's response to this, but I felt compelled to chime in - since I'm not so sure this is a total disconnect. I do, however, take issue with Tiger's expectation to be called Master by a prospective he has not taken ownership of...but then again, tho I do not make demands of obedience right off the bat, I have certain expectations and I begin paving the road to obedience in small steps. I do not begin any process with a potential in the vanilla manner at all, because I simply despise it and it doesn't work for me. And for me, I prefer a submissive address me as Ma'am in the beginning...but I also consider that to be common courtesy.

I think also that in order to get what you want, you have to be clear about what you're seeking. If Tiger wants a girl of specific dimensions, shaven and so forth, that's what he wants. And I don't see a problem with stating that. Those who don't fit that bill will likely not waste his and their time responding.

Anyhow, just wanted to share those thoughts.

MNN

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/26/2007 10:56:09 AM   
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Fair enough, samba.

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/26/2007 4:13:06 PM   
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Re: Automatic Obedience

Master told me from the beginning he expected instant obedience. The thing with this was, after he told me his expectation of it, he never demanded it. He just let me go on my merry way, when I wasn't obedient, he would hardly say anything, do anything..he left it up to me to realise I had broken the dyamic of the relationship and to correct my behavior and submit. He used to say something to the effect of "I had chosen to be in this type of relationship because I am supposed to be submissive (a slave), its not up to him to force me to be anything other than what I am". If however I got too far off track, he would remind me of my position in different ways. It was in this way that our Master/slave relationship was established.

After some time, the way he dealt with me changed..I guess it was at a point where he assessed I really had accepted my position..but in the beginning of the relationship how I described it above is how he handled enslaving me. It was a very confusing time as his method was very different than I had experienced before...but I think very effective as it had a very profound effect on me over a long period of time.

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/26/2007 6:41:08 PM   
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quote:

sambamanslilgirl asked:
are you seeking instant obedience before actually "getting to know" your potential submissive or are you actually knowing your submissive before seeking her/his obedience?


Yes and no.

No in the sense that I don't expect "blind obedience."  I've talked with some submissive women who were so enamored with submission that I couldn't see any other facet of who they were.  In that situation, I can't tell if she's someone I want to learn more about or not.

Also no in the sense that until she gets to know me, how can she know if she wants to be obeisant to me or not?  If she wears her obedience on her sleeve without knowing anything about me, then she's not obedient because she's interacting with me, she would be obedient with anyone.  The people I'd want to know better aren't obedient with just anyone, only with people they respect and want to obey.

Now for the yes:  I like many others have my own vision of the D/s relationship - My own "style."  As we're getting to know one another, we'll discover quickly if we're a good match or not.  If we are, then she'll feel it just as I will, and she'll find herself motivated to be obeisant. 

Charles

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/26/2007 6:48:49 PM   
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No, I don't demand instant, automatic obedience, and I think it's rude when prospective playmates begin to defer to me ostentatiously without my having properly accepted their service and obedience. A subtly deferential attitude is fine--that's likely a personality trait, and I often find it an attractive one--but "oh Mistress, glorious Mistress, I am groveling on my knees awaiting your permission to write to you," is presumptuous and unattractive.

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/26/2007 7:14:36 PM   
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That's a very interesting story, slavejali. Thanks for sharing.

MNN

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RE: Do you demand obedience automatically? - 4/26/2007 7:20:51 PM   
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WE seems to find those that are natural obedient so therefore there is no need to demand obedience.IF YOU have to demand obedience then your are not exuding your natural dominance and perhaps a subbie can sense this..as always just the views of this ol"MASTER 

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