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regaining respect or trust - 4/23/2007 11:32:32 PM   
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long story short, He hurt me emotionally with words on Sunday (which he has apologised about, admitting He was more harsh than needed be, and had no right to do so), which i have been trying to deal with.  However, yesterday when i brought it up as i felt it was important to communicate my unhappiness to Him, His response was simply “get over it.  This response caused even more harm, and i feel like it has killed the trust and respect i had for Him.  i again made an attempt to talk to Him trying to explain that His response to me has only hurt more, He again has apologised, but i feel now that i cant (maybe don’t even want to) place that trust in Him again.  i am confused, i care about him, am committed to this training, but i am finding it really hard to talk to Him, let along be in the same room as Him right now.  Maybe just a little space would do us both good?  As i am new to this lifestyle, my reaction in a "vanilla world" would be to walk away from this relationship.

We have both agreed that we will not discuss it any further as He, nor i like harbouring on issues, and after all the apologising, it has been discussed enough.  However, there is still that issue of me feeling like i dont have that mutual respect amymore...and my trust in Him is very weak right now.

So now the real advice i need…how do i get back into that head space i was in before this all happened…how do i go back…i know everyone is different, and deals with things in their own way, but has anyone been in a similar situation and can offer some advice / guidance. 
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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/23/2007 11:37:40 PM   
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I'm not going to air our dirty laundry, but I left for a solo vacation for a week. It gave me time to really think about where we had taken the wrong turn. But, for some, space just makes the situation worse.
 
I think your biggest question is not whether the relationship can be salvaged, but do you want to salvage the relationship? Once you decide that part, then you have a goal. Personally, I find it easier to work towards a goal rather than something nebulous.

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/23/2007 11:45:42 PM   
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uh, yeah, you got fucked and hes a dick and it is all about your headspace, kick him to the curb.  Give your gift of submission to someone that can appreciate it and never fucks up.  I mean it was a chasm, it was large.


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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 1:16:48 AM   
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I dunno, personally "get over it" are the three worst words a person can ever say to me, the second I heard it I would drop the person from my life like a turd on fire.

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 1:26:24 AM   
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Yeah- sounded like he just told you I'm sorry to shut you up to begin with- When that didnt work he told you"  Listen , when ever I hurt you (and it will happen) and  spit out a forced apology , if you accept it, dont bring it up a gain cause my response is gonna make you wish you  kept your mouth shut and you little worthless feelings to your self.- Yeah I would get over it and him quick.

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 1:37:19 AM   
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my 2 cents; sadly you might never get back to where you were. if it has become a grudge within you, if you cannot dismiss it as an aberration on their part, it will fester within you until you bring it up again at the worst time, and this will be a bad thing to do. i may be wrong, because i nearly was once.
an ex-wife once told me "past a certain point, it doesn't matter whose fault it was!"  she was right.


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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 3:20:12 AM   
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Sorry, but I am kind of with mnottertail here. It sounds more like you are upset because HE did not either act or do what YOU wanted him to do; and now you are crying foul.
 
Do as suggested; take some time away and decide which way you want the relationship to go.

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 4:06:54 AM   
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i have only read your post and not the responses but my immediate reaction is that you don't get anything back, its up to him to see what trust he has lost and for him to determine and action a way of regaining your trust, if he can

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 4:25:55 AM   
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Soooooooo, if you think what he said was harsh......uhhmm, you may not want to read this.  I'm just calling it like i see it.

So basically you have a problem with Forgiveness.

He apologised, it was not good enough.  You needed to bring up your unhappiness to him again. 
He already said he was sorry, he understood that what he said was harsh.  You are the one that is keeping it alive, so to speak.  What more are you wanting him to say to you? 
I am a huge believer in communication....but! and there is always that but!  It's done and over with already, apology given/apology received - it's forgotten, tomorrow is a new day to enjoy life.  Soooooo, are you going to choose to keep that drama fire burning you have goin' there, or are you going to grab life and enjoy it?

As i am reading and seeing this............this is not a trust/respect issue.......this is a:  I need to learn how to Forgive issue.

I wish you much peace in this,
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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 4:39:45 AM   
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Telling me sorry but I'm not willing to talk to you about the problem says to me, and I don't know if this is true for him, that he really isn't sorry about what he did, he just wants me to get over it so he can go on doing what he wants without taking responsibility for his actions.

It wouldn't cut it for me in a vanilla relationship and it doesn't cut it for me in a d/s one. Here I need more trust in him if I'm going to let him tie me up and hurt me. And I don't gain that trust easily.

I don't think there is any real difference in relationships. You need trust, you need to feel your partner cares about you, you need to know you're valued. You don't trust him, you don't feel he cares about your feelings, but you're getting off on the training. If that's enough for you then stay. If it isn't and he won't work to change things so you do get enough, then you have some hard decisions to make.

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 5:04:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: angeleyez1983

long story short, He hurt me emotionally with words on Sunday (which he has apologised about, admitting He was more harsh than needed be, and had no right to do so), which i have been trying to deal with
To me, this line jumped right out.  If you have been "trying" to deal with it, it's obviously not dealt with (not behind you, you're not "over it," etc.).  So, this indicates to me that, even though he apologized, it's not settled with you.  Perhaps you didn't really believe/truly accept the apology?  That happens.  Obviously something like this is the case as you were bothered enough to bring it back up to him. 

However, yesterday when i brought it up as i felt it was important to communicate my unhappiness to Him, His response was simply “get over it.  This response caused even more harm, and i feel like it has killed the trust and respect i had for Him.
i also think it was important to communicate your unhappiness to him.  What's the alternative?  Feeling upset but refusing to be honest and say so?  For me, this would only cause resentment to build up.  There have been times in O/our relationship when i have been upset by something and initially chose not to tell Him of it or discuss it.  He can always tell because i cannot really hide my feelings.  When He asks me, i always end up being totally honest with Him.  If i weren't, i know i would feel resentment and there would be a wall between U/us.  This is not acceptable in O/our relationship.  He owns me and He is entitled to know everything i'm thinking or dealing with emotionally.  He WANTS to know so that W/we can work things out if they need to be.  i cannot imagine Him ever saying "get over it."  If i COULD get over it, i already would have.  i wouldn't need to talk it out with Him.  He knows that and by dismissing me in such a selfish way, that would do nothing but cause further harm as you said it did for you.  i agree that if that were to be Master's reaction to me, it would indeed diminish the trust and respect i have for Him because it would seem to me like He couldn't be bothered with my "petty" emotional well-being.
 
i again made an attempt to talk to Him trying to explain that His response to me has only hurt more, He again has apologised, but i feel now that i cant (maybe don’t even want to) place that trust in Him again. 
Someone can apologize over and over but if it isn't sincere or if the person to whom it is directed doesn't accept it for whatever reason, there is work still to be done.  He apologized once but there were obviously still some issues needing to be addressed.  So, it seems you tried to address them and he said "get over it."  This made matters worse so you once again tried to communicate this and it seems He still refuses to hear.  Yet...he issues yet another "apology."  To me, if he was really "sorry," He would stop issuing apologies and just listen to why you are still hurt.
 
i am confused, i care about him, am committed to this training, but i am finding it really hard to talk to Him, let along be in the same room as Him right now. 
This is that resentment i spoke about.  If Master told me to "get over it" and wouldn't hear me out as to why i still felt hurt, i can guarantee there would be resentment.  i entered into O/our M/s relationship with absolute trust that there would be open, honest communication and that i could always depend on Him to listen to my concerns.  Granted, there is no guarantee my concerns are going to influence or sway His decisions and that's fine, but He ALWAYS allows me to speak my mind, even when my thoughts/opinions may not agree with His.  To me, this is so vital. 
 
Maybe just a little space would do us both good?  As i am new to this lifestyle, my reaction in a "vanilla world" would be to walk away from this relationship.
i would suggest just the opposite.  Seems like there is already too much "space" between Y/you.  If i found myself in this situation, i would be upfront with him.  i would tell him just what you have expressed here:  that you, for whatever reasons, couldn't accept the apology, that you are even more hurt by his seeming dismissal of your efforts to discuss why, and that, if this were a vanilla relationship, you would be heading for the door.  If you truly don't want to leave, i would tell him all this and ask for his help.  Seems to me putting more space between you is the worst thing you could do at this point.   

We have both agreed that we will not discuss it any further as He, nor i like harbouring on issues, and after all the apologising, it has been discussed enough.
Yeah, seems to me as upset and hurt as you are, the best thing to do is just agree to not talk about it anymore.  Just shut up, be stoic, don't harp on it, and just forget about it.......NOT.  It's not going to disappear.  Whenever i have something that's bothering me, Master insists W/we talk about it until it's worked out - no matter how long that takes.  Sometimes i tell Him i know it's petty and i feel badly for bringing it up, but He always assures me that if it concerns me and my well-being, it is NOT petty to Him.  It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about this - if you are still bothered by it, just shutting up and burying it unresolved is only going to lead to deeper problems later, i can assure you.  It obviously hasn't been discussed enough if it hasn't come to a resolution. 

However, there is still that issue of me feeling like i dont have that mutual respect amymore...and my trust in Him is very weak right now.  So now the real advice i need…how do i get back into that head space i was in before this all happened…how do i go back…
i don't think you CAN get back into it until this is worked out. 
 
i know everyone is different, and deals with things in their own way, but has anyone been in a similar situation and can offer some advice / guidance. 
As you say, everyone will offer different advice.  i've already read some that are basically blaming you and telling you it's your fault for not getting over it (just like he did).  That reasoning works for some but not for me.  If my Master thought for a second that i was bottling up my hurt feelings just to pacify Him, He would be pissed.  He owns all of me and takes responsibility for my well-being, both physically and emotionally.  Along with all the rights His ownership brings Him, it brings responsibilities too.  If my headspace is not as it should be, He will not rest until it is and, for U/us, this involves listening and Him respecting my feelings, even if He doesn't always perfectly understand them.  Drama for drama's sake sucks and i am absolutely NOT into it. But to me, it is absolutely NOT drama when i just can't get past something and i genuinely need His help.  If he's really the master for you, He will help.  If not, perhaps he needs someone who will just keep it all bottled up inside and be miserable.  That's just not my definition of a relationship.........slave luci 


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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 5:33:45 AM   
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I'm with some of the others here in that he may not have redeemd himself in a way that *you see fit* so you keep punishing him for it. In serious commited relationships there are obstacles. Is the relationship important enough to you to forgive? Can you give him a chance to say he's sorry and you actually accept it or does it mean so little to you that you're willing to flush it for a stupid bone head mistake??

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 5:36:07 AM   
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LOL Ms Diane; I like the way you think
 
"bone head mistake"

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 5:50:25 AM   
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your dom is not very good in the communication department of your relationship, imo. he's very insensitive and doesn't seem to care how his blatant attitude has hurt you.  if his idea of resolving things every time is "get over it" after a insincere apology and not speak about it again, then i would start looking for another who would set aside time to discuss what's bothering me.  personally i would have a difficult time to "get over it" without discussing my feelings and concerns about whatever is bothering me.  Daddy is very good at listening and advising however He would never tell me "get over it".




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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 6:10:02 AM   
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This reply is not directed at anyone in particular
 
Quite a few have made the comment that because SHE felt that his apology was insincere, then it must have been. You have to remember, all you have here is the emotions that she is feeling in regards to what she perceived to be an insincere apology.
 
Now granted, maybe it was insincere; but we don't know that.
 
From what she has written here; the way she wrote it; I get the feeling that shes more upset because she did not get the response from him that she felt she should have.

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 6:29:35 AM   
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It's a simple explanation, women prefer jerks, that's why you see so many with just that....

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 6:34:51 AM   
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Hey now.... it's not that; i just that i have a hard time being able to tell the difference between a challange and the impossible. :)

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 6:37:22 AM   
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His last apology was very sincere, and i accepted it 100% but that’s not what is my problem. Its not the apology, or the forgiving, or the fact that feelings were hurt, that i have written off as a "bone head mistake". It happens, i know this, sometimes we say things which could of stayed, all that has been resolved.

The dilemma i have now is that if i cant share what made me unhappy then i definitely can not share everyday “petty” emotions, just thoughts and feelings that is going through me, not because i want him to change who and what He is, but simply because its on my mind, and i would like to share it with someone who, from day one, claimed that my thoughts (even the petty ones) are important to Him ( I am in no way talking about silly rants like how much I hate work, or my boss annoys me or how much I want vacation) and if i can not share my feelings, i feel that i can not enter the playroom with him.

We all hurt people with things we say, i agree with this 100% and yes, often its easy to just get over it, or push it aside as a “bone head mistake”, i  am sure He has hurt me before with things He said, but He dealt with it immediately, and i cant even remember what subject matter was involved, so i felt i could bring up what was bothering me but after sharing, it only became more of a problem.  So now i am feeling i can’t tell Him what’s on my mind, yet this is something He requests i do. 

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 6:42:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: angeleyez1983

His last apology was very sincere, and i accepted it 100% but that’s not what is my problem. Its not the apology, or the forgiving, or the fact that feelings were hurt, that i have written off as a "bone head mistake". It happens, i know this, sometimes we say things which could of stayed, all that has been resolved.

The dilemma i have now is that if i cant share what made me unhappy then i definitely can not share everyday “petty” emotions, just thoughts and feelings that is going through me, not because i want him to change who and what He is, but simply because its on my mind, and i would like to share it with someone who, from day one, claimed that my thoughts (even the petty ones) are important to Him ( I am in no way talking about silly rants like how much I hate work, or my boss annoys me or how much I want vacation) and if i can not share my feelings, i feel that i can not enter the playroom with him.

We all hurt people with things we say, i agree with this 100% and yes, often its easy to just get over it, or push it aside as a “bone head mistake”, i  am sure He has hurt me before with things He said, but He dealt with it immediately, and i cant even remember what subject matter was involved, so i felt i could bring up what was bothering me but after sharing, it only became more of a problem.  So now i am feeling i can’t tell Him what’s on my mind, yet this is something He requests i do. 

I am not going to sit here and say that you are right and he is wrong; nor am I going to say that he's right and you are wrong. I have no idea what kind of relationship you have; nor do I want to know. The only two who should be concerned about this is you and the one you are with.
 
You asked for opinions, I gave mine. It has not changed, even with the recent explanation that you have given. The only thing that can be said is do what feels right for you and not what everyone else says you should be doing.

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RE: regaining respect or trust - 4/24/2007 6:46:17 AM   
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Respect and trust are two of the most important things in a relationship, sometimes when it is betrayed and forgiven the relationship can become stronger, other times, the one who caused the hurt can think, well I got away with it so it's ok to do it again, like a woman who is abused letting the abuser remain in her life, all depends on the individuals.....

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