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has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/24/2007 12:08:37 PM   
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Alright, needless to say im very nervous typing this post, but i am nervous by nature. I've only known bdsm for about 2 years, but when  i first came across it i felt like i found something profound, life changing, it appealed to feelings i held deep inside for many years. I then decided i that i wanted almost needed to experience lettign go of control completly. Felt like i would freedom in this. But along with this driving wish to experience such i felt a strong fear of letting go of control. 8 months ago i left home to live witha  dominant male who im now engaged to, but due to certain circumstance out of my control we were forced to move back to my mother to financially assit her and my siter and two nephews. During our relationship neither dominance or submision was offered by either of us. He claims he was so used to vanilla relationships that he was afraid of showing dominan or just forgetful, he also claims when he tried to show dominance i resist. I can see this at times i feel that i want nothing more to submist it gives me this feeling... so hard to explaina almost like a rush but a feeling of contentness as well, but befor i can feel that i feel great fear and resistance. I want to give up complete control but am to afraid i feel almost the need to be forced into it. Is this normal or does it mean im just not really sumissive? I feel sometimes the fact the way i was raised not to submit to men and if any dominance is showed by him over me my mother and sister critisize, though more often than not we do not do such in front of them they just take small things we dont even realize and pit them against us. Another thing is we both have a similar fantasy of me being with another woman but whenever he wishes to do this i freak out and get emotional because i dont wish to share him, he says if i wish to submit that this would make him happy and should give me that feeling i often long for. Do i need to bewilling to do such to be submissive? Please any advice would be useful, perhaps on how to work through this or if you experienced similar, thank you!
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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/24/2007 12:11:48 PM   
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please excuse all the typos, my nephew is in surgery and i was rushing to finish so i would not tie up the phone line long

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/24/2007 12:19:02 PM   
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It sounds like he's as lost as you are so it will take effort on both your parts. My favorite advice for this sort of situation is "ritual". Do rituals to get yourselves into the headspace, and practice until you hear yourself giving what you want to give, and then practice some more until you actually feel it. Good luck.

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/24/2007 12:23:12 PM   
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Well at first glance, I'd say you both need to forgive eachother, you both need to stop blaming eachother and yourselves, and start slow and easy.  Make one specific commitment to eachother for the next week- ie, that you will always slightly nod your head towards him whenever you enter a room where he is and remain within 5 feet of him unless you ask permission (this is as simple as "I'm going to grab the remote, ok?")

See how that goes.

No one feels submissive all the time, and with the tension and break you've had, you can't just expect to swim a marathon after months of nothing.  Start slow, make it FUN for you both, and see where things go.  If you work together, you'll see a change.

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/24/2007 12:30:30 PM   
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As LA has said, start small. "Yes, Sir" goes a long way for a lot of people when it comes to the headspace of both. You are not trusting either him or yourself. Start looking within and working on your issues all the while talking to him about them, if he chooses to hear about them. Journals are very helpful in this area. Finally, don't add a third until your relationship is solid.

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/24/2007 12:34:44 PM   
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8 months ago i left home to live witha  dominant male who im now engaged to
During our relationship neither dominance or submision was offered by either of us.


In 8 months of living together neither of you have expressed Dominance or submission? I'd have to ask if you are both sure that this is who you are or what you really want.

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He claims he was so used to vanilla relationships that he was afraid of showing dominan or just forgetful  


While I can understand that conditioning can be difficult to overcome...I have a harder time understanding "I forgot".

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he also claims when he tried to show dominance i resist. I can see this at times i feel that i want nothing more to submist it gives me this feeling... so hard to explaina almost like a rush but a feeling of contentness as well, but befor i can feel that i feel great fear and resistance. I want to give up complete control but am to afraid i feel almost the need to be forced into it.  


This part I don't understand. If neither of you have expressed your Dominance or submission....how could you resist his Dominance?...and how could you know a rush or contentment if you haven't submitted? I'm not trying to be a smart ass....I am just confused. Have you been experimenting with Topping and bottoming maybe....as in sexually?

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 Another thing is we both have a similar fantasy of me being with another woman but whenever he wishes to do this i freak out and get emotional because i dont wish to share him, he says if i wish to submit that this would make him happy and should give me that feeling i often long for. Do i need to bewilling to do such to be submissive?


Well, I think it is possible for you to fulfill your fantasy of being with another woman without having to share your partner. The specifics of what you are looking for would have to be worked out between the two of you. I would however, strongly caution you against pursuing anything along those lines until you the two of you have done the necessary work to build your own relationship. You having sex with another woman is not going to make him happy It may bring him pleasure but pleasure and happiness are not the same. It is also not going to magically give you that feeling you long for and may actually end up making things worse.

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/24/2007 1:14:56 PM   
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ah well it should have gone neither of us has shown much dominance or submission, but at times he did show dominance i would resist. if it would clarify matters more there were simple things we did consistently , such as permision to go the the bathroom. But not much beyond that, times he would say he was going to list rules and chores and begin training me in a slave. Neither of that would happen he would though demand more sexually, when he did this i would get sullen and complain, that all he wanted was this. 

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/24/2007 2:49:00 PM   
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quote:

I want to give up complete control but am too afraid i feel almost the need to be forced into it. Is this normal or does it mean im just not really submissive?

 
i understand that feeling completely.......even after an 8 year collared relationship, and now being out of it and seeking another One, i feel exactly the same way.......it may or may not be "normal" (and really......who cares about that anyway? you define what is normal and ok for you, not the other way round) but you aren't the only one that wants to be "forced" into submitting.........i do too and i am definitely submissive........sure, you are going to hear a lot about "true" submissives and "real" submissives who do this out of a pureness to just serve and give of themselves (and that's cool and works for them....no question) but not all submissives are that way
 
it sounds like you have a lot on your plate and are not in the right place to be able to explore D/s being in the midst of family at the moment.........and that's ok.......i don' t know how folks with families ever get to live out this lifestyle *g* i don't think i could either (luckily that's not an issue for me though - and it sure makes it a lot easier)
 
i wish you both the best in working through all of this though

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/24/2007 2:58:28 PM   
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quote:

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ah well it should have gone neither of us has shown much dominance or submission, but at times he did show dominance i would resist. if it would clarify matters more there were simple things we did consistently , such as permission to go the the bathroom. But not much beyond that, times he would say he was going to list rules and chores and begin training me in a slave. Neither of that would happen he would though demand more sexually, when he did this i would get sullen and complain, that all he wanted was this. 


So, you wish for him to control you in the ways you think he should, yes?
You could write him a script perhaps, but it may defeat the purpose.

I think, but I might be very wrong, that a lot of people go through this. I know that I read about it on web boards a lot and hear about it in social groups. I know that I went through it. I figured out it was just another wall I built out of fear of giving up control - ie: "if he doesn't do it this way, I can't seem to submit."
I might be wrong, but I'm betting you have some sort of expectation of how things need to be in order for you to give up control. That's okay - there should be some things present before you hand the keys to your personal wheels over... but you might want to look at how specific your expectations get.

There is obviously a reason you are with this person. You love them. You have been with him for two years... you must trust him enough to love him... perhaps you could remind yourself of that as you focus on say, letting go of one 'thing' that you control?

Good luck to you both!

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/25/2007 5:16:03 AM   
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Greetings All,

    i can understand the wanting to be forced to submit.  It's not something i want all the time, more of a fantasy i think.  Reading what you've said i also think that you may find some shame in being submissive, due to upbringing, and you may feel that being forced to submit would free you of that shame since you'd have no choice.  Just a tought. 

    i can also understand when you say that he doesn't seem dominant in anything else but in the sexual area.  When my husband and i first started exploring this He did the same thing.  We talked and i explained that for me D/s is more than just being tied up and having really hot sex.  It's almost like explaining the sex doesn't always equal love.....D/s doesn't always equal hot sex.  There is more to love than sex, there is more to D/s than sex. 

    When you talk about being with another person and he says that doing so should make you happy and give you that submissive feeling because it's something he wants, that's like a Dom saying because he likes the taste of liver and onions you will also.  Well, you could eat it that's for sure, but that doesn't mean you'll like it.  Speaking from experience yes it will give you somewhat of a feeling of submission in that you're doing something you don't like to for the soul purpose of making him happy.  But it can also lead to hurt, anger, and resentment.  You have to be in a very strong relationship before you start involving others.  And just because you're submissive doesn't mean you can't have limits regarding what you'll do/don't do.  If this is a limit for you, even if it's just for right now, then you need to let him know and you need to not feel ashamed by it. 

    i'm still learning but when i first started trying it was very hard to find my place and for him to find his.  There are so many labels and titles and defintions that you can start to feel like you're not a "true submissive" or a "real submissive" etc.  The point, i'm learning, is to find what works for you and not try to be something you're not.  Sometimes it takes trial and error, others can just read or listen know if it's for them or not.  Don't try to wiggle yourself, or him, into a box just yet.  Sounds like ya'll are still both learning, and going through a tough time with family as well.  i wish you, and your nephew, the best of luck. 

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/25/2007 5:56:46 AM   
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i have no particularly valuable insight into this, apart from sharing the feeling that that the unsatisfaction is the other persons fault. it probably isn't!
i recall the first time i went to a bukkake event, and the fear and confusion i had to push myself through to take the first step through the door, and seeing that others, all of whom were there for exactly the same reasons were as embarassed or reticent as i, that evening turned into a fine one, when lust took over, and  encouragement and reaction assumed more importance than what was going through your mind beforehand and you get lost in the now, rather than the fear/confusion bit. it says a lot that it is you that is asking for advice, and maybe you need to take the lead, but subtly, in taking the first steps towards getting where you want to be. write down a small scene containing some of what you want to happen to you, and ask your partner to act it out for an hour "because you are curious". it may be unsatisfying but may start the ball rolling. make it clear that during that scene (duration to be decided by you) there will be no sex as such. but once the scene is completed, you will then do for him exactly what he requires for the same period of time. it is a little like, for instance, when you were first having sex asking a man not to come in your mouth, i guarantee that he did!  had you said "tell me when you are coming, i love to see it spurt from your cock" or "i want you to come on my tits, tell me when you are coming" you would have had a lot less sperm in your mouth!! this is an illustration only of ways to make events happen your way, which if you do it right, i think might help. there is other good advice in this string, take a step yourself at first and cross your fingers your other can learn from your reactions the way to go further, he might well be pulling your hair and panties off the right way in no time. good luck!


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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/25/2007 6:46:37 AM   
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As many have said, this is a very common problem.  I experienced many similar things in my first D/s relationship.  She was married and I spent a lot of time at their house.  We found ways to express ourselves that worked but were subtle.  When we weren't doing that we were fighting. 

Someone mentioned forgiveness, that is huge.  Another is how damaging our preconcieved notions.  If I had a buck for every time I heard "you are doing it wrong"...from her!

It is a hard balance, in some ways the less you listen to others and the more you listen to him the better off you are.  However, unless he has  a clue of where to go, you will end up not moving forward.

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/25/2007 7:11:22 AM   
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In my opinion, you do not have to share to be submissive.  In past experience, both partners must be totally commited, and completely secure in the relationship, for sharing to work.  There must also be very good communication in place before hand.

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/25/2007 8:59:33 AM   
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It seems that you 2 have a lack of communation.  You seem to feel resentful because he says he will do things(like making a list of rules) then not following through.  You have to make sure you 2 are on the same page.  From reading your post you want to be a full submissive and it seems he wants only a bedroom submissive.  I hope you can get together on this.

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/25/2007 3:41:06 PM   
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Learning to change societies rules and become a D/s couple takes a lot of work on both sides. Being dominant takes training just as being submissive does. It seems you are both trying to run a marathon without working up to it. Set aside a short period of time to learn your roles. Start off with a night, then work up to a weekend, then do a whole week. In my experience writing out your fantasies in your "off" time is a great way to express what you desire in this type of relationship (for example write him a fantasy about being D/s at a vanilla event such as a family reunion, this will show him other ways of dominance besides sexual). I've found as a Dom this is a great way for me to see what peoples limits are and reading between the lines it gives me an idea of what they are looking for.

Don't even think of bringing in a third person until your stable in your core relationship. If you have 2 problems, and he has 2 problems, adding a third doesn't make it 6 problems, it makes it 8 or more (as a way of thinking of it). There's just too many variables to have to deal with this early in the relationship.

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/26/2007 6:23:34 PM   
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You need to be more assertive. Meaning you're living with your family and they feel free to criticize your relationship. As long as he is treating you respectfully, there is no reason for you to permit their criticism. So if he says "Honey, get me some coffee" and they tell you not to, that he should get his own, you need to immediately tell them that you enjoy doing things for people you love who love you.

Right now you're taking orders from several people, all of whom have different agendas. Make it known that you take his because you feel good doing so and that you are not interested in them trying to destroy your relationship. If they feel like destroying a relationship they should go get their own.

And try to get out of there immediately if not sooner. They are going to treat you like they did when you were young, that's a guarantee. You need to address this using a calm, measured tone and using the same exact words each time. "I'm an adult, I have not asked you to criticize my relationships and I would appreciate you not doing so". Their response will be to say they are only doing it out of love. Your response is to repeat again "I'm an adult, I have not asked you to criticize my relationships and I would appreciate you not doing so." Use the same response repeatedly, if they become angry walk out on them.

You have no boundaries set up with your family and you need them.

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RE: has anyone gone through this i would love advice - 4/26/2007 7:54:05 PM   
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Alright there are a few things that need to be addressed in this post so lets begin....

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Alright, needless to say im very nervous typing this post, but i am nervous by nature. I've only known bdsm for about 2 years, but when  i first came across it i felt like i found something profound, life changing, it appealed to feelings i held deep inside for many years. I then decided i that i wanted almost needed to experience lettign go of control completly. Felt like i would freedom in this. But along with this driving wish to experience such i felt a strong fear of letting go of control.
All of these thoughts feelings and subsequent actions are very common , so know you are not alone.


8 months ago i left home to live witha  dominant male who im now engaged to, but due to certain circumstance out of my control we were forced to move back to my mother to financially assit her and my siter and two nephews. During our relationship neither dominance or submision was offered by either of us.
If "not dominance" was shown how can you classify him as a "dominant" male? Seriously? I understand you are new to this, and maybe you answered this already, but how new is he?

He claims he was so used to vanilla relationships that he was afraid of showing dominan or just forgetful, he also claims when he tried to show dominance i resist.
this is a very common claim by non-dominant men to take the focus off there true orientation.


I can see this at times i feel that i want nothing more to submist it gives me this feeling... so hard to explaina almost like a rush but a feeling of contentness as well, but befor i can feel that i feel great fear and resistance. I want to give up complete control but am to afraid i feel almost the need to be forced into it. Is this normal or does it mean im just not really sumissive?
I do not know if I would say this is "normal", but it was how it had to be for me. I needed to know, w/o a doubt, that he was strong enough to "put" me in my place in the beginning, otherwise it never would have worked. It doesnt mean that you aren't a "true" submissive.

I feel sometimes the fact the way i was raised not to submit to men and if any dominance is showed by him over me my mother and sister critisize, though more often than not we do not do such in front of them they just take small things we dont even realize and pit them against us.
This is programming that some of us have a really hard time with, well at least I did. I was ALWAYS the strong one, always in control, hence why I needed someone stronger than me... one train of thought to explain this to your family, if you feel the need to that is, remind them that womans liberation was done to give woman the choice about how they would live their life. Since your choice is to be submissive to another, you are still the strong woman they have always known. Hopefully as you grow in your submission you will become even better, since you will be more true to your natural self.



Another thing is we both have a similar fantasy of me being with another woman but whenever he wishes to do this i freak out and get emotional because i dont wish to share him,
why does your being with another woman mean he has to be with her too??

he says if i wish to submit that this would make him happy and should give me that feeling i often long for.
this is often used by HVG (horny vanilla guys) to justify their desires, regardless of the damage it will cause the person they are with and imo it's bullshit.... but thats jmo.

Do i need to bewilling to do such to be submissive?
No.... not at all.... don't buy that bullshit.


Please any advice would be useful, perhaps on how to work through this or if you experienced similar, thank you!



on a personal note and this is based on the info I have at hand....
if he isn't fullfilling you and is actually harming you emotionally and you have been together less than a year, cut your losses cause I promise it isn't going to get better, been there, done that and it was not worth the cost of the t-shirt.
or you could stay together, attempt to address the issues, you need to learn a bit more about what you need, what you can give, and this lifestyle in general. If you love your "fiancee" thats great but can you accept that he may never be the Dom you need? plus you both are living with your family which makes any real attempts to fix this next to impossible. Feel free to email me if you wish to talk about anything privately, and the best of luck you.
 
imo this lifestyle is well worth waiting for the right one. I find that alot of us, when we first enter into this, get rather impulsive and don't make the best choices.
 

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