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Sinergy -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 7:18:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: I think that the Gawd is out of the Society, You know what we call people for whom their G-d is more important than anything, they've make their religious laws binding upon society? Muslim Fundamentalists. You mean like Senator Brownback and Pat Robertson? Sinergy

gooddogbenji -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 7:18:54 PM)
Or Christian zealots, or Jewish zealots, or Buddhist zealots (maybe not so much, but you get my point. Wait. You won't.) Yours, benji

domiguy -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 7:25:07 PM)
Yes we need to teach our daughters that it is possible to have children by just looking at boys...That is the only positive thing that can be learned from the immaculate conception....Oh yeah! and that it really, really sucked to be Joseph.

Sinergy -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 7:31:50 PM)
I was having a talk with a woman I work with, a hard-core Southern Fundamentalist, and she opines "It is weird, I thought my husband, as Christian as he was, would have higher moral standards than he did. He basically tried to get any woman he ever met to go to bed with him, both before and after we were married." I responded "ya know, while religion might give a person a reason to have a strong moral compass, giving a person religion doesnt in and of itself give that person a strong moral compass. Having a strong moral compass is a decision one makes for onself." Sinergy

Sanity -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 7:36:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle You know what we call people for whom their G-d is more important than anything, they've make their religious laws binding upon society? Muslim Fundamentalists. Whatever it takes to keep Sharia Law out of our lives, it's worth the price to be free. If you're going to set aside 5 minutes for people to pray to Jesus together, you gotta set aside an hour for the Buddhists to meditate, and THEN you need to let the Muslims do whatever they want! WTF are you talking about farglebargle, I told you I'm not religious. But since you brought it up, one reason that your Muslim Fundamentalist friends hate us so much is that we've become a Godless society, with naked women running around our world-famous movies, the Devil dirty-dancing to our music... the in-your-face materialism that socialists and communists keep crying about... you name it, we probably do it. I guess they still take guns to their schools though, don't they

DomKen -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 7:38:55 PM)
In high school, suburban Atlanta early 80's, the principal and some group of teachers and students tried to slip bible readings in every morning. They didn't identify the verse read but the student body president simply read it after the pledge. I was an out atheist and easily recognized the KJV language and relatively easily identified a couple of verses. I complained and was told to shut up. Somebody complained to the school board and they made the principal end the practice but they kept weaseling prayers in whenever they thought they could get away with it. The year after I graduated a parent got the ACLU involved and they finally stopped. Now before those in favor start complaining about the ACLU answer this question, why should I or anyone else be forced to participate in your religious practices? Would it be ok to force you to participate in non christian religious practices as part of your daily routine?

minnetar -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 7:40:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy I was having a talk with a woman I work with, a hard-core Southern Fundamentalist, and she opines "It is weird, I thought my husband, as Christian as he was, would have higher moral standards than he did. He basically tried to get any woman he ever met to go to bed with him, both before and after we were married." I responded "ya know, while religion might give a person a reason to have a strong moral compass, giving a person religion doesnt in and of itself give that person a strong moral compass. Having a strong moral compass is a decision one makes for onself." Sinergy Well said. How many hypocrites do we see in church on sundays and then look at how they act the remainder of the week. minnetar

gooddogbenji -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 7:40:36 PM)
Like bloodletting puppies and bathing in it? Yours, benji

domiguy -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 7:45:57 PM)
I talk with God on a regular basis.....We have found that we have very little in common....I'm a legs and ass man while he always fixates on large breasts.....What a pussy!

WingedMercury -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 9:17:16 PM)
Perhaps if you spent less time praying and more time learning to type or spell, it would be better. Faith based decisions and rational decisions are diametrically opposed; you can't use both! Just to say it's "rediculous" (sic) is no argument whatsoever. "saying (sic) that people who use faith to guide there (sic) desicions (sic) lack or dont (sic) use reason is a rediculous (sic) statement." I know I must come across as a pompous git to you, but you don't show yourself in a good light when your statement is riddled with spelling mistakes. An occasional error in an informal forum such is this is acceptable. Try to understand the difference between "faith based" and "rationality/reason based". Think it through. Carefully.

Sinergy -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 9:29:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity But since you brought it up, one reason that your Muslim Fundamentalist friends hate us so much is that we've become a Godless society, with naked women running around our world-famous movies, the Devil dirty-dancing to our music... the in-your-face materialism that socialists and communists keep crying about... you name it, we probably do it. Dont forget message boards on the internet devoted to the furtherance and involvement in a sexual and hedonistic lifestyle. Sinergy

caitlyn -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 9:40:17 PM)
I have a hard time understand why this is even an issue, no matter what side you fall on. If you want prayer in school and don't get it, show up five minutes early and pray with someone else that wants the same thing. If you don't want prayer in school and they are praying, just don't pay attention. If it offends you, maybe you are a little too easily offended. This wouldn't make my top five-hundred things to be worried about.

dcnovice -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 9:40:55 PM)
quote: I know I must come across as a pompous git to you Too easy . . .

juliaoceania -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 9:48:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WingedMercury Perhaps if you spent less time praying and more time learning to type or spell, it would be better. Faith based decisions and rational decisions are diametrically opposed; you can't use both! Just to say it's "rediculous" (sic) is no argument whatsoever. "saying (sic) that people who use faith to guide there (sic) desicions (sic) lack or dont (sic) use reason is a rediculous (sic) statement." I know I must come across as a pompous git to you, but you don't show yourself in a good light when your statement is riddled with spelling mistakes. An occasional error in an informal forum such is this is acceptable. Try to understand the difference between "faith based" and "rationality/reason based". Think it through. Carefully. Attacking someone's belief system by pointing out spelling errors does not seem to be a valid way of making a point that their religion has no value. Perhaps it might be better if you focused upon the substance of the opinions offered instead of the presentation... Just a thought.

ana85 -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 10:17:19 PM)
My cousins and I were very religious in high school. We never pushed for a set aside silent time. When we wanted to pray, we prayed. If someone asked us a religious question regardless of when or where, we answered to the best of our abilities. We met during lunch hour since we all caught school buses home. There wasn't much of an issue. I never tried to force what I believed on anyone else because it seems like the worse possible way to try and get someone to hear you. I followed my faith and that was it. I didn't see any reason to cause a stir about it. People believe what they believe, and while I may disagree with them, that doesn't make it right nor fair to try and force my thoughts or opinions on anyone else. I'm odd though, one of my favorite early morning rituals was having a religious debate with a muslim friend of mine. Notice I said debate, not argument, we would make our points and express our thoughts without judgement or malice, it was the funnest part of my morning :)

domiguy -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 10:18:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn I have a hard time understand why this is even an issue, no matter what side you fall on. If you want prayer in school and don't get it, show up five minutes early and pray with someone else that wants the same thing. If you don't want prayer in school and they are praying, just don't pay attention. If it offends you, maybe you are a little too easily offended. This wouldn't make my top five-hundred things to be worried about. If the kids were praying from the koran at school I wonder if you might feel differently? No place for either in a public school.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 10:19:55 PM)
How is offering to pray for someone them belittling themself? And exactly how are they insulting you? by what, not being sensitive to the fact you might not pray? quote: ORIGINAL: WingedMercury I don't want people praying for me. Not only are they, by implication, insulting me, but they are belittling themselves. .

FelinePersuasion -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 10:34:46 PM)
When I have to be around it, like at a family dinner, or I see it on tv I think really rude thoughts like BARF or oh come on how fucking lame, or yada yada yada, or onnnnnnn and onnnnnnnnnnnn and on you drone. Yes I am rude, no I am not tactful, however at least I think it and not act on saying it lol. quote: ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia we had prayer in school when i was growing up...i used to look around at everyone when they did it...i still do.

WingedMercury -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 10:43:58 PM)
They are insulting me because they think I am going to be thankful for their prayers (putting me in the same boat as someone who believes in the supernatural - I find that insulting), and they are belittling themselves because they are admitting to believing in a higher being, in other words, suspending all the logic and the laws of the known universe. People should keep their religion to themselves, instead of cascading it over others. I hope that makes you understand another's point of view. It is important.

WingedMercury -> RE: prayer in schools (4/24/2007 10:50:17 PM)
Yes. You are right. It was a bit cruel. I guess I was trying to emphasise that the writer was not terribly intellectual - but before you comment again, I know that ignorant spelling does not necessarily mean poor intellect, though it is often a good guide. The real point I was making was that "faith based" and "reason based" are opposites, and people who make faith based decisions should be aware of this.

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