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minnetar -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 3:44:23 PM)
i am able to cum on command. i find that to be totally mental. i have no problem with being able to orgasm without it either. minnetar

Twicehappy2x -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 4:54:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RavenMuse It starts with the waiting for permission, holding it back waiting for Me to allow her that release. Yes you have to be careful not to disconnect and short circut..... or push her too far for her to control. It needs building up over time Once however they are VERY keyed in to that wait, for your voice giving the permission... you can pull a little switch on her. she thinks things are normal, the build up, the holding on, the waiting for that voice, the permission she is now aclimatised to before going over the edge....... there is the premission... she cums.... you catch her just before it stops and this time she hasn't begged for the permission You force it on her..... again..... and again.... using the fact that she now reacts to your voice as a trigger Sexy eyes, that about describes how i was trained by my previous Master. The only problem arouse when he died. Nothing, i mean nothing, or nobody got me off during the 6+ interval between when he passed away and i met Scooter. Scooter can do it with little more than his voice if he wants to. But that has caused some problems of it's own. I did explain how i was trained and that he had to give the let go so he did. He said from now on cum when you want to. That did not exactly work. Eventually i explained again and he felt terrible. So once in a while it happens without him giving the go ahead but very rarely. And still never by myself. There are pluses, i am so attuned to him that i am ready in a few seconds, but there have been some draw backs as well.

RavenMuse -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 5:03:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x Sexy eyes, that about describes how i was trained by my previous Master. The only problem arouse when he died. Nothing, i mean nothing, or nobody got me off during the 6+ interval between when he passed away and i met Scooter. Scooter can do it with little more than his voice if he wants to. But that has caused some problems of it's own. I did explain how i was trained and that he had to give the let go so he did. He said from now on cum when you want to. That did not exactly work. Eventually i explained again and he felt terrible. So once in a while it happens without him giving the go ahead but very rarely. And still never by myself. There are pluses, i am so attuned to him that i am ready in a few seconds, but there have been some draw backs as well. I can imagine there are. The technique is a basic one for any who understand psychology... of course just following what I wrote there, blindly won't have much effect. You have to know the HOW to do it, not just the outline of what your aiming for, but it IS effective. If you or scooter ever want to chat about it and brainstorm on any 'drawbacks' either by mail or SKIPE if you have it then just let Me know sweetie.

Celeste43 -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 5:40:33 PM)
It's not uncommon that someone who has been undergoing training to not cum without permission finds themselves unable to orgasm at all. The appropriate thing for an intelligent dom to do is stop controlling her orgasms. If you train her to not become aroused for fear she will orgasm without permission, you will find yourself superceded by a cat. Women frequently in nonsexual relationships or even in a nonorgasm relationship shut down their libido. And without that connection, be prepared for her to shut down submissively also. Not to mention take up knitting, adopt a cat, etc.

Elorin -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 6:08:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin I know that many Doms wish to train their subs to cum on command...or not cum without permission. I wonder if repeated attempts at such may "short circuit" the bodies ability to naturally orgasm. If you are constantly trying to interrupt the process, could you get to a point where orgasming could become work....or even impossible? I can no longer orgasm w/out M's voice at the very least. Not highly inconvenient as he is my only lover, and I don't masturbate with orgasm as a goal. However, should our relationship end I foresee needing a very patient lover to help me reclaim my ability to orgasm on my own. quote: Also, due to the number of people who responded that they have regularly "faked it"...I wonder how many of those who are cumming on command are faking it and their Doms are unaware. When he says cum and I can't, I let him know. The pain in "I can't" is enough to let him know how disappointed I am in myself for not being able to follow his directive. Most of the time it is because I am enduring something painful and simply cannot switch from pain processing to orgasm. Sometimes it is because it is completely out of the blue and I just can't. I have been tempted at those times to just fake it but value our relationship too much to introduce that dishonesty. quote: For me, orgasm is a natural process that follows a natural progression. I have been with Dominants who have tried to "teach me" how to control my orgasms. Maybe I am just a failure at such but once that train is rolling down the tracks I have had absolutely no success in trying to impede it's progress. I can't stop or hold back an orgasm any better than I could part and hold back the waters of the sea. I've attempted different methods of trying to accomplish the goal....concentrating on non-sexy things.....biting my lip to the point of drawing blood to distract me from the pleasurable sensations(found that to be very counter productive to the "not orgasming goal....masochistic as I am). But ultimately, my bodies ultimate response appears to be something that does not respond to my attempts to "Dom" it. Some women have a gradual slope that just reaches maximum point. Some start climbing and then start soaring...and once you start to soar you can't stop it. No failure there, just a matter of how we are all different. ~E

twistedkytten -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 6:20:40 PM)
Hello to everyone! i am happy to see this thread, i struggle knowing i cannot cum in any manner with any help unless it is Masters voice that tells me to the struggle is when He gives me instructions in writing, and i am unable to finish.. i feel very much like i have failed Him. that hurts. Master understands, for this is the beast He created.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 6:25:58 PM)
I used to think this was all hot, but now, while I play with it, I would never condition someone to only cum from my voice.

RavenMuse -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 6:30:38 PM)
Reprogram in a similar manner but using a trigger that THEY can access! You can have multiple triggers. That way if you are hit by a stray bus the CAN still trigger... that can be used by the next Master, or by themself to slowly change that conditioning.

smilingjaguar -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 7:50:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Celeste43 It's not uncommon that someone who has been undergoing training to not cum without permission finds themselves unable to orgasm at all. The appropriate thing for an intelligent dom to do is stop controlling her orgasms. I have had to have permission to orgasm for a few years and have not had this problem at all. I cannot cum if he says no, but I would think that the point of the training. quote: If you train her to not become aroused for fear she will orgasm without permission, you will find yourself superceded by a cat. Women frequently in nonsexual relationships or even in a nonorgasm relationship shut down their libido. And without that connection, be prepared for her to shut down submissively also. Not to mention take up knitting, adopt a cat, etc. I would have to agree if a woman was trained not to be aroused, but I was not and cannot imagine him wanting this of me. Was I punished when I orgasmed without permission? Sure. I never feared it to the point of not becoming aroused. I tried better the next time, and with patience on both our parts I was able to give him the control He wanted. Since he's away so much, as long as I've been good I have blanket permission to orgasm at will when he's away. If I've not been, then he might take back that permission but usually he'll just give me permission with a toy I dislike only in sort of a "get off if you can" sort of way. The only problem I've ever had orgasming was after the birth of my first UM. For about a year I seriously couldn't orgasm because the scar from where I had torn and was sewn up was so sensitive and painful. The doc said I had a neuroma and that basically I could either take something for neuropathic pain or maybe it would fade on its own over time. The meds did not work, so for over a year I was miserable and convinced I would never have an orgasm again.

juliaoceania -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 8:11:29 PM)
My Daddy is still in the process of training me to orgasm on demand (not to be confused with no touching or stimulation, I do not know if he wants that, it is not something that he has attempted to do). For us, as he was getting to know my body he allowed me to orgasm as soon as I was able to show the desire to. He then moved to prolonging it a little longer and a little longer. He then denied me permission and I was able to stop on command and able to achieve orgasm soon after he commanded me to. I do not know where he wants to take this training, I have not asked. It has taken almost a year of training to get where I am now.

TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 8:12:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NakedGirlScout quote: ORIGINAL: Missokyst I thank the fates every day that I have never found a dominant who needed to control that aspect of myself. That was nice to see. I've never liked anyone trying to control that aspect, since it's a hit or miss thing with me anyway and I hate to feel as if I've disobeyed by not being able to either cum or to keep from cumming on command (if anyone says "don't cum yet" then it's very likely that I won't cum at all even if told to later). I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't seem to be ecstatic about orgasm control. You are not alone NakedGirlScout..this sums it up for me as well..Tempting

MaamJay -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 8:18:43 PM)
Master doesn't regard "cum on command" as the ultimate, though He has trained me to "ride the edge" for a lot longer than i thought possible. And i usually manage to gasp out a "Can i? PLEASE?" and wait for the answer before going over. But there is no dire punishment awaiting me if i do go off unexpectedly so that makes me unafraid of Him and His training. But what does amaze me is the power He has over my bladder! A few years back i had a LOT of problems and saw a female urologist specialised in women's problems. i learned a lot of control techniques and got used to doing kegels which helped a fair bit. (And yes, those spasms feel quite different from orgasmic ones though i do see how an inexperienced man could be fooled!). However, i have found the ultimate solution is Master! The one bit of micromanagement He enjoys doing is giving me permission to pee. Over the years He has now gained control over my bladder (well, over the brain that controls it). If i suddenly get the urge and would be doing the "funny walk" to the toilet, He has only to give me a specific command for me to be able to walk perfectly normally without losing a drop. He has to be careful with His wording though ... one time in the shopping centre He said "you can't go until you get to the toilet". So i walked normally to the toilet ... got to the door of the cubicle ... and started to let go! So now He says "not until you get your clothes unfastened and sit down"! That works for me. I've tried saying that to myself when He's not around and I am nowhere near as successful LOL! Anyone else under this sort of control? (Sorry about hijacking the thread but it is a related area!) violet[A] aka Maam Jay

LaMspeach -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 8:54:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin The Faking Orgasms thread: If you are constantly trying to interrupt the process, could you get to a point where orgasming could become work....or even impossible? I have found just the opposit for me. Before Master trained me in orgasm control i hardly ever had an orgasm and when i did it was work and everything had to be just perfect. Now i cum only when he commands me to but i also orgasm as many times as he tells me to. It is awsome and very comforting to know that even though Master and I are a state apart he still control my orgasms

MasterKazarik -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 9:13:32 PM)
Greetings I too was skeptical when I heard of others doing this. I tried it with a couple of different girls with low results.. It wasnt until I met one girl that I trully learned how to get it induced. I was skeptical, I thought maybe she is faking, until the one day.. As I grew to know the girl and she me, I learned that by doing one or 2 things, I could make her climax so hard, she would squirt.. Nasty to some yes, but none the less, it seemed like a fairly good indicator to me that she was climaxing.. Shorty after this developed we worked harder on the cuming on command.. It was 2 weeks into her training that even with out any promting, no touching, no nothing, I could walk up to her, whisper to her to cum and she would, with the same results, instant squirting.. Watching her closely I do not believe this could be faked.. To this day I do not believe it could. I also know, many months after we went our seperate ways she called me one last time.. To ask that I release her from her vow of only climaxing when I allowed it.. I was shocked of course, she had been freed when I took my collar back.. But to her, in her mind, she was still tied to me in that way.. Why? I dont know, of course I told her, she was free.. I had moved on, I felt she should do the same.. Was it a ploy in the end? Who knows, I just know that yes, it works and continues to work with my girl.. Just my 2 canadian cents.. Yea, I know they are not worth much LOL Master Kaz quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears I can put it off, for a certain amount of time, but then when i get the go ahead i am so numbed out i find i cannot cum at all. There were times when it just erupted (for lack of a better word) and i had no control at all over it. i have heard some women can be trained to cum just by their doms voice, with no touch just his telling them to cum. This i find unbelievable and would say if its possible i would think a very small percentage of woman ever get to that point. i have heard doms say they can train any woman to cum on command, highly doubt they'd be successful with me [&:]. But beside the point - what's the big deal? Is it that important to be able to cum on command. i wonder how many subs fake that one [:D]

Masterdarkone26 -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 9:47:31 PM)
I wanted to comment on this... I actually programmed a lady though hipnosis to cum on command with just one specific word being said... She would orgasm when ever she heard the word and would continue as long as the word was repeated... It took a bit of time to help her reach this point but once it was done I could just say the word and she would spasm and orgasm... Her New Master continued on with this and I shared that it took me about 2 months time to do this... putting her in hypnosis and then giving her the suggestion of being played with and then being pushed over the edge and then each time as she was going over the edge while under hypnosis I told her she would come each time the specific word was said.. then woke her up and tried it a few times till she finally did cum from the word and then when she did I explained what I had done ... She loved it and is still programmed to my knowledge to cum on commmand of the word despite her now being with a new Dom/Master

MrRodgers -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 10:17:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Suleiman Ah, now that's the sort of thing I do enjoy. The first step is learning enough about the other person's responses to be able to coax an orgasm out of them reliably, quickly, and pretty much when I want to - it's not "on command", that is to say there's no pretense of me ordering the person to achieve orgasm, I just learn how to stimulate an orgasmic response. A agree here and it was then for me to time her first and the whole purpose was to build our arrival to that resulting volcano...to be followed my mass quantities of more to follow. I enjoyed using this to start her from a much, much higher plateau.

rskenderian -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 10:50:25 PM)
hmmm... i began training myself when i first started masturbating to prolong my orgasms. So this whole thing about orgasm control is very natural to me - sort of like a 'given'. i can't imagine NOT having orgasm control, and the whole point is to cum on command. My problem is that i can't usually cum, and need to be trained TO cum. i just had sex for the first time in a year-and-a-half, and all the sucking in the world couldn't get me over the edge. i did ride the edge the whole time though, which was immensely pleasurable. i don't give myself permission to orgasm, so i actually need someone to train me and give me the permission. Punishment for NOT cumming would be antithetical, i do know that. :P But, for me, cumming on command is expected, very binding, very intimate. When You're the only person in the world who can make someone cum ... well .... there's a little relationship binding there - at least on the sub's part - amongst other things. But i don't see the point of 'cum-on-command' unless it's a marriage-type relationship. That's simply not something to do in a casual or non-committed relationship. When i hear talk about "... if the relationship should end ...", that gets to me a bit. If 'cum-on-command' is being used, it is expressly for the binding of the relationship .... otherwise, sorry, but i'd have to say that it's extremely negligent and irresponsibly selfish on the part of the Dominant. It's hot. Yes, very, and it's part of what makes a relationship just so very hot and good. Digression #1: LTR's i've had sex(?) of some sort or another(?) with about 1,000(?) various people(?) or people-types, and i've been in 4, 6, 10, 4 and 3 -year committed relationships, in chronological order, and in several shorter 3- to 6-month causal relationships here and there, as well as periods of up to 6 months, 1 year and 1-1/2 or so years of no sexual activity. No, i don't know how it's possible to fit all that into 43 years, but such it is true, so to an ex's utter delight, when She made me go over all the people i've had sex with in the last six months (ooops .. "a few", upon prodding, became some uncountable number i couldn't possibly remember). So, Shaureece can verify that it is impossible, but true, and just how it all happens to me. Sex happens, oddly enough. So, longer-term relationships are the absolute best, as far as i'm concerned. All my best sexual memories are from my long-term relationships, and all the hottest stuff happened in LTR's that were well-developed, going on 2+ to 8+ years. Unfortunately, every woman i've been in a relationship with ultimately became so depraved, sexual, free, and/or selfish, lost their "Fear of Flying", that they just drifted away amongst the masses of sex, orgasms, tongues, and penises out there. My sweet ex-fiancée in a summer dress is now a self-admitted sex-slut last known into tit torture (and you better give her at least 8 orgasms, or she won't be seeing you no mo', no mo', no mo', no mo'), and my ex-Wife is now a self-oriented Domme that you'd better fist for hours ... off the bed, out the room, down the stairs, and finding yourself in the neighbor's yard - 583 non-stop orgasms (really) later (Hers! not yours! you selfish idiot! what kind of sub are you?! and where are you taking Me out to dinner? I'd better like it, as I can't stand things I don't like, which is most of everything.). Love conquers all. Yeah. End Digression #1 But.... back to the topic.... i'm insain (a tribute to Miss Artemesia, somewhere last known in Brooklyn) with orgasm control and 'cum-on-command'; i don't want another relationship without that. Oh, and i only want one more relationship. Orgasm control is for everyone's heightened enjoyment. "Cum-on-command" should be reserved for committed relationships. Why would CoC be used else-wise? Because You find it hot? Because You feel powerful or something ... i don't know. But that's the privilege of committed relationships ... no condoms, CoC, all the best of the best. If You're not making or giving or offering that commitment, i don't think You should be asking for that kind of commitment. CoC is that kind of commitment. So, now You have Your sub trained to cum on Your vocal permission only ... and You decide You don't want Your sub anymore, and You want a different one now, so the relationship somehow "ends" ... man, that's beautiful. Great job. i don't have much in the way of Morality, but that's just non-Human. That seems more like the action of the highly intelligent, self-aware (sometimes) animal called "Homo-Sapiens" by science, which populates this planet, and looks and walks and learns to speak and say all the things Humans say and do. Difficult to tell them apart. Except Homo-Sapiens always end up making animal choices, while Humans always end up making Human choices. Digression #2: Of Human Being and Homo-Sapiens People have discussions like this because of Human-kind's inability to "Know Thyself" - or, more importantly, accept the truth. All men are NOT created equal, as is so obvious it need not be said. There are people who are more Human, and people who are more Homo-Sapiens. It's just a fact, like any other distribution of Human traits, such as IQ or penis length or breast size. The spectrum varies widely. There's nothing wrong with anything we inherently are, since we don't create ourselves, Nature does. So, there is no moral argument against being a Homo-sapiens and lacking in those intangible Human traits - as long as it is understood and accepted. Pretending to be a full Human Being when you have below-average levels of compassion isn't doing anyone a favor. In lieu of higher Human functions of Humanity, you require rules and you have to learn how to be responsible and compassionate - from Humans. That's ok; they make your life better, because they actually have real, true compassion - something a Homo-Sapiens doesn't quite understand or feel. You can actually trust a real Human Being. Most of the discussions here - and anywhere, and everywhere - are between Homo-Sapiens and Human Beings. The subject of all discussion here - any everywhere - is the context of the fact that there are Homo-Sapiens and Human Beings on this planet, living side-by-side, and not knowing who's who, and inherently trying to sort it out - without any conscious knowledge of what's really trying to be accomplished (in fact, denying the truth about what's really trying to be sorted out, because only a 'bad' person would make distinctions between equality of people .,. and so we all go 'round and 'round the discussion table, being 'good', and avoiding a very unpleasant - yet so very necessary - subject; that not all people are qualifiable as Human, and that many are only Homo-Sapiens - about 10%), and without any useful tools or comprehensive and accorded language (person, Man, individual, people, Human, Human-kind, man, male, Homo-Sapiens, etc..) to work with. If you think "Am I a Dom, switch, or sub?" is important ... how about; "Am I more of a Homo-Sapiens or more of a Human Being?" Before you do anything ... Know Thyself. People of equal Humanity are most fully compatible for honest and fulfilling relationships. Unfortunate - and what a mess, indeed - is the fact that not all people are created equal, and really not what-so-ever, and that our society still insists everyone is "equal". It takes a Human Being to answer the questions pertaining to Humanity. End Digression #2 So, 'cum-on-command' is reserved for committed, long-term relationships. End of story, end of argument or discussion; there is nothing to discuss, except the truth about Y/your commitment. Otherwise, there's damage being done. If damage is mutually desired, i can't say anything, and have nothing to say; but i just highly suspect that damage is not on the real agenda. Such is why these forums exist, such is why these questions are asked, and such is why these answers are given. That's coming from an Anthroponomically(c)-Approved(TM) Human Being(c)(TM). - puppy

temptressofsouls -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 11:11:47 PM)
"i have heard some women can be trained to cum just by their doms voice, with no touch just his telling them to cum. This i find unbelievable and would say if its possible i would think a very small percentage of woman ever get to that point." I can....it takes a LOT of practice, and it's very progressive...You cant just hear "cum not" 50 times and expect it to happen. If we havent practiced that in awhile, its either really hard to do or I cant do it at all, but if we do it with any regularity, it gets a lot easier. Then again, Im a hypnosubbie, and have been trained to tap into that side of me and really focus. That's what helps. Im sure not everyone could do it, but I think some people would surprise themselves if they tried, and had the right training.

Elorin -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 11:13:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rskenderian I knew the possible consequences to being trained to cum on command and accepted them when we began the training. I felt that the benefit that I sought to gain, and have gained, in being orgasm trained by him was worth the later cost of having to recondition myself. It is no more irresponsible to do CoC training with someone you don't intend to spend the rest of your life with than it is to do it with a committed life partner. Marriages of 30 years or longer have been known to fall apart. And you can't predict that you won't die tomorrow in a car accident or from embolism or aneurism or any other unpredictable sudden death situation. If you train someone to CoC and you die, are you irresponsible? No. If you train someone to CoC without letting them know that they may end up unable to orgasm without the command, and that it may take years for them to regain their ability to orgasm at will, are you irresponsible? Yes, in my opinion. Adults can make their own decisions about what is acceptable risk. Obviously you feel that the price of CoC training is too high for casual relationships, or even short term relationships of a few years or more. Your right, your privilege. ~E

temptressofsouls -> RE: Don't cum until I say you can..... (4/26/2007 11:16:37 PM)
Im sure there are some subs who train so deepply that they get "stuck" only cumming on command...but thats psychology 101 right there...It was learned, it can be unlearned. Im not saying it would be EASY to unlearn, but it can be done. Also, if you make sure that the sub isnt only cumming on command, but also in there own time, by themselves, then they should be able to cum on command, and off-negating that entrapment issue-though i know, for some, ONLY cumming on command is the point.

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