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not trying to get into a sub vs. slave argument here at all, i don't feel one is better than the other, at all...

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ORIGINAL: BobcatsLilMinx

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not trying to get into a sub vs. slave argument here at all, i don't feel one is better than the other, at all...

I forgot to mention, I saw somebody else post something similar in this thread... it is so refreshing to see people say that. The last chat forum I frequented was full of girls calling themselves "slaves" who looked down on the girls they called "subbies" or "subbie brats". The men were equally as bad, voicing loudly or implying loudly, about how there was at least ONE TRUE SLAVE in the room (ie, their own).

There is some intolerance here still... but I am so glad to see it's nothing so bad as it could be.

[over-dramatic sob and leaping into everbodys arms] I love you guys!!

Grinz
Minx

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ORIGINAL: VAneophyte

The comedian Gallagher once observed "if you are in a relationship and want to see who is in charge, just see who gets out of bed to attend to a dripping faucet, the one still in bed, that's the one who is in charge" The slave/submissive by surrendering the "cognitive heavy lifting" to the Domme/Dom/DumbAss is in charge, even with an aching rear end and muscle cramps, they have put the onus of the relationship on the shoulders of the "industrious" member. As the most obvious example of operant conditioning, BDSM is at its heart a shifting of the load from one partner to the other, and all this chat aside, the one enduring the submission is contolling the action. Observe how you as a Domme/Dom/DA act when faced with misunderstood directions, you don't get a Sub to do what you WANT, you get them to do WHAT YOU TELL THEM. The Subs all say they "don't want control" but in fact the Bottom always has the upper hand. (You just try to explain the forensic photos in your trial and you'll see real clear how much control you never had). What we have here is theater of the absurd, two actors playing for two observers, for a total of two people in all.

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ORIGINAL: VAneophyte

The comedian Gallagher once observed "if you are in a relationship and want to see who is in charge, just see who gets out of bed to attend to a dripping faucet, the one still in bed, that's the one who is in charge" The slave/submissive by surrendering the "cognitive heavy lifting" to the Domme/Dom/DumbAss is in charge, even with an aching rear end and muscle cramps, they have put the onus of the relationship on the shoulders of the "industrious" member. As the most obvious example of operant conditioning, BDSM is at its heart a shifting of the load from one partner to the other, and all this chat aside, the one enduring the submission is contolling the action. Observe how you as a Domme/Dom/DA act when faced with misunderstood directions, you don't get a Sub to do what you WANT, you get them to do WHAT YOU TELL THEM. The Subs all say they "don't want control" but in fact the Bottom always has the upper hand. (You just try to explain the forensic photos in your trial and you'll see real clear how much control you never had). What we have here is theater of the absurd, two actors playing for two observers, for a total of two people in all.