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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/28/2007 9:14:10 AM   
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      The world needs a breakthrough in energy production.  Not just a replacement, but a way to produce a lot more.  Cold fusion is a head scratcher.

     It can't possibly work.  It just doesn't fit our understanding of the rules.  It's heresy.  Yet sometimes, here and there, it almost seems to happen.

     The flash of genius might occur in some well-funded university lab, or it might strike some keeper of obscure knowledge, who may or may not have been standing too close to the machine that turns hemp into fuel, toiling on his pet project out in the barn. 


Geeez...  

The world has had SO MANY break through's in power generation it is shocking!  People simply do not understand that our gov is not "OUR" friend!  

Rich this technology has been around for nearly 20 years!!


i repeat: this technology has been around for nearly 20 years!!

It was given a bad rap for the very same reasons all the other genius's though out time have been given bad raps.

MIT flat claimed they could not get it to work...  Sure they couldnt produce tritium on every run so rather than acknowledge that there was a nuclear reaction and work that NOPE they threw the whole damn thing out!!

DOE same thing, go on their website and look at how much they have hydrogen production costed out at.   Its so high that its nearly not worth it even at oil at 5 bucks per.

This device will power my house make gas for my car and i have not worked out all the details yet on the electrical generation because i will be damned if i pay ge a quarter mil for a turbine so i am looking into other means, but i will accompish this on roughly 100 watts input power.

Watch the video it has all been shot down just like teslas free energy work was shot down and it will continue to be shot down.

In the last couple months i posted lots of things on free energy, which is beyone perpetual motion its shit loads of power out!  

Its here, its been here and the common assumption that a well funded university will make a discover is a pipe dream.

Who is going to fund them?  JP Morgan and crowd so they can bring the whole oil system to its knees?  i think not.  These 2 doctors of physics did this research on a bench in their basement funded on a teachers salary.

Everyone who tries to do something for the benifit of the world gets "SHIT" on by this and other governments and their discoveries get suppressed.   do a google on joe neuman with his self running eletric motor and i think shey built one too back in the 30's or 40's.  Look up the mcfarland cook patents for a generator made with a couple iron rods and and copper coils.  the list just goes on and on man and it is all coming out because we can use the internet and browse patents all day long...   i have said it many times, the inet will be our savior, protect it from the tryanical gov.

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/28/2007 9:53:10 AM   
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i have said it many times, the inet will be our savior, protect it from the tryanical gov.



Um I take it you are aware that not everything on the internet is legitimate and rather than being a saviour it sometimes helps people soar way ip into the clouds on their flights of fancy with little basis in reality.   It sounds like your idea will be interesting at the very least, I guess you will have a lot of government departments interested in how your project goes at any rate.

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/28/2007 10:45:58 AM   
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i have said it many times, the inet will be our savior, protect it from the tryanical gov.



Um I take it you are aware that not everything on the internet is legitimate and rather than being a saviour it sometimes helps people soar way ip into the clouds on their flights of fancy with little basis in reality.   It sounds like your idea will be interesting at the very least, I guess you will have a lot of government departments interested in how your project goes at any rate.


i dont understand?  Why would they be more interested in me than the guys who invented it in the first place 20 years?   This has already been shown to congress, the doe, etc etc etc,  i am not inventing something here, it has been suppressed by the gov.

If you knew about this and got pissed off you would fight them to get right?  They dont want that.  Why would they want their oil empire to crash down?  Oil prices certainly are not going down in the future and that is more money for who? you?  not!

you see?  watch the movie... its a good watch....


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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 4:36:24 AM   
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..cold fusion....

the reason you don't hear much about it anymore is that the original results could not be duplicated at other facilities.  and a lot of folks gave it a try.  occaisonally you see a paper or two appear about the latest attempts.

in science (and engineering), your results have to be replicated by outside folks to be considered valid. form a hypothesis, test it, and evaluate the results.  if the test shows your hypothesis is valid, others should be able to use the same process and yield similar results.

sometimes it takes awhile for the results to shake out (i'm thinking of early adoption of some medical procedures and medications that were later found to be of little use or even harmful).  but in matters of science generally if you're the only one who can get results, something's seriously awry.

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well you do not hear anything about it because the gov and mit flatly put it down.

Its not the fusion and the intense heat that they could not reproduce everytime it is the creation of tritium that could not be reproduced everytime and since we really have little use for tritium its like who cares.  That and the theory is problematic to the hot fusion theory because they do not have the math to fully quantitize it, and the oil industry monopoly would fall on its ass, so we cant have that now can we?


As far as replicating fusion i can replicate that any time any day every time every day.  fusion is easy.  So why has it been put down since it is repeatable "every" time?

i assure you that any one who tries to get fusion will get it.  not everyone who tries to get tritium will get it.  i could give a rats about tritium i want the cheap energy.

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 6:01:21 AM   
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I have decided to go off the grid.

After taking a few day sout to research the subject i find myself well on my way to bnilding a fusion reactor as that will be used to supply the heat for my house for sure at this point, looks like also the fuel for my car, and a good chance put juice back on line to sell back to the power company. (still a couple of engineering hurdles with that)

i want out of this ripoff oil economy and am already buying all th eparts needed to do just that.

so that means r1 = carbon print of --(some number) since i will be selling clean juice back to the electric company LOL

So there is my new project and i hope to have it all up on line in less than a year.


i grew up off the grid. we had 16 solar panels 8 batteries 1 gennie and when i was younger one wind gennie & an oil tank cant remember what for [the wind gennie burned out in hurricane bob and was sent back to the company for research, lol] pain in the ass, water only when the gennie was on and you always had to monitor voltage and which appliances were on as well as daily intake of energy.

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 6:03:49 AM   
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uhhhhhhhhhhh... I guess I'm unclear why you must go to all that fuss. I just used a solar voltaic array and several deep-cell batteries and had enough to do anything I wanted...including run a couple of computers. It wasn't all that expensive...and perhaps with another array, I could have plugged in a car.

I understand they're building a new solar plant over the hill (here in So Co). Wind energy is also pretty popular. I like that the 'fuel' for either is safe and free. <shrugs> I just don't understand the interest in fusion when you can have 'off grid' now.............well, unless you're a chemistry nut! LOL

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i will not only power my hoiuse with it but gerate power and send it back to the power company where I will get a check from them every month :) and also make fuel for my car. pretty much have as much energy as my lil ole heart desires and make money in the process :)


how many kw system are you running?


if you get enough panels you could sell the solar back too, but are we just being greedy here?

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 6:17:13 AM   
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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 6:32:18 AM   
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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 6:45:50 AM   
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Are these really lame jokes or do you actually believe this shit?

If they're lame jokes:  Find better ones.  And post in the Humor forum.
If you're serious:  I'm a a defected undercover secret FBI agent from Area 51.  I'll sell you video-taped evidence of Bush literally burying conspiracy thingies under one of the UFO's for $50.  Send me the $50 now.. the video will come when the rooster crows the coming of the new age.

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 2:48:46 PM   
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This is the second post of yours I've read in the past minute.

Are these really lame jokes or do you actually believe this shit?

If they're lame jokes:  Find better ones.  And post in the Humor forum.
If you're serious:  I'm a a defected undercover secret FBI agent from Area 51.  I'll sell you video-taped evidence of Bush literally burying conspiracy thingies under one of the UFO's for $50.  Send me the $50 now.. the video will come when the rooster crows the coming of the new age.


Tell that to nasa too!


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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 3:00:55 PM   
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This is the second post of yours I've read in the past minute.

Are these really lame jokes or do you actually believe this shit?

If they're lame jokes:  Find better ones.  And post in the Humor forum.
If you're serious:  I'm a a defected undercover secret FBI agent from Area 51.  I'll sell you video-taped evidence of Bush literally burying conspiracy thingies under one of the UFO's for $50.  Send me the $50 now.. the video will come when the rooster crows the coming of the new age.


Tell that to nasa too!



You think NASA somehow believes you're able to conduct fusion in your home..?

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 4:36:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

This is the second post of yours I've read in the past minute.

Are these really lame jokes or do you actually believe this shit?

If they're lame jokes:  Find better ones.  And post in the Humor forum.
If you're serious:  I'm a a defected undercover secret FBI agent from Area 51.  I'll sell you video-taped evidence of Bush literally burying conspiracy thingies under one of the UFO's for $50.  Send me the $50 now.. the video will come when the rooster crows the coming of the new age.


Tell that to nasa too!



You think NASA somehow believes you're able to conduct fusion in your home..?


why not whats so hard about it?


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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 6:14:39 PM   
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You think NASA somehow believes you're able to conduct fusion in your home..?


why not whats so hard about it?


This is one of those things I'm just kicking myself for dignifying with a response.
Let's give you a very, very simple nuclear physics 101 question.

Two hydrogen atoms fuse.  How much energy is released?  Show your work.
(Bluntly, I doubt you have any grasp of even simple nuclear physics.  This question should take the whole of ten seconds to answer- mostly typing time.  No need to cite your reference numbers, so long as they're not ludicrus (off by more than 10%)).

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/29/2007 10:48:05 PM   
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You think NASA somehow believes you're able to conduct fusion in your home..?


why not whats so hard about it?


This is one of those things I'm just kicking myself for dignifying with a response.
Let's give you a very, very simple nuclear physics 101 question.

Two hydrogen atoms fuse.  How much energy is released?  Show your work.
(Bluntly, I doubt you have any grasp of even simple nuclear physics.  This question should take the whole of ten seconds to answer- mostly typing time.  No need to cite your reference numbers, so long as they're not ludicrus (off by more than 10%)).


LOL  well nuke physics along side of chemistry are without a doubt my weak points in the sciences.  (i have friends to fill in the gaps tho)   seems tome that a full hot fusion reaction cycle should be roughly 17mev or about .03 nanojoule.  but frankly i could care less about the math involved, well beyond the COP anyway, and i am sure you realize that a person does not need to know any math to get a nuolear reaction right?  Just need to know how to do it :)  Now keep in mind i am not going to do a full burn either, but i will keep it at that knifes edge just before it takes off and hold it there.  i am not out to turn my azz into post toasties you know LOL  Remember i am talking a LEN reaction not hot fusion.     unless you were talking about me doing the 4h>4he+energy reduction, which frankly is pretty irrelvant for what i am doing with it.  Doing the control circuitry to keep it in the "sweet spot" is the tricky part.  unless you are from the school of thought that it cant be done and that is fine too, because it will heating my house and generating power either way :)    Been there done it did the efficiency tests.  13:1 using potasium hydroxid some pretty nice gains imo <:)

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/30/2007 4:53:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		..as far as nuclear reactions go, you don't know "1 + 1 = 2".  I'm sure I'm looking like a jackass, calling you on this while everyone else is just laughing and ignoring it, but this annoys me.  Do you have any idea how silly what you're saying is?  Which, don't get me wrong, would be fine if it actually meant something.. but you have no idea what's going on.

If you want the future to have better technology, don't screw with people's hopes for such things until they don't trust any of us who are actually working on decent things.
If you're just freaking crazy enough to still somehow think you're going to build the world's first fusion reactor for electricial use, and you think you're doing it on whatever budget which displays even a meager concern for gas prices, then at least humor people you talk to about it in displaying something other than complete and utterly worthless blabber.

I mean, seriously, present anything that shows you might have some semblence of an idea of just what the hell you're claiming.  And, next time you make up something like "NASA says so!", cite it.  Because I can damn well assure you that they don't.

My term paper this semster is on nuclear power plants and their usage in the future.  I'm freaking pissed at bastards who spread lies on the subject right now since I'm having to spend half of my paper disspelling myths on nuclear power before I can even get to the meat of the issue.  It's due tommorow and I'm having to work overtime on it today.  You're the incarnation of the sort of lying bastard I'm angry at right now.  Excuse me if I'm rough on you for it.

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/30/2007 6:05:30 AM   
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..as far as nuclear reactions go, you don't know "1 + 1 = 2".  I'm sure I'm looking like a jackass, calling you on this while everyone else is just laughing and ignoring it, but this annoys me.  Do you have any idea how silly what you're saying is?  Which, don't get me wrong, would be fine if it actually meant something.. but you have no idea what's going on.

If you want the future to have better technology, don't screw with people's hopes for such things until they don't trust any of us who are actually working on decent things.
If you're just freaking crazy enough to still somehow think you're going to build the world's first fusion reactor for electricial use, and you think you're doing it on whatever budget which displays even a meager concern for gas prices, then at least humor people you talk to about it in displaying something other than complete and utterly worthless blabber.

I mean, seriously, present anything that shows you might have some semblence of an idea of just what the hell you're claiming.  And, next time you make up something like "NASA says so!", cite it.  Because I can damn well assure you that they don't.

My term paper this semster is on nuclear power plants and their usage in the future.  I'm freaking pissed at bastards who spread lies on the subject right now since I'm having to spend half of my paper disspelling myths on nuclear power before I can even get to the meat of the issue.  It's due tommorow and I'm having to work overtime on it today.  You're the incarnation of the sort of lying bastard I'm angry at right now.  Excuse me if I'm rough on you for it.



good then maybe you will be pissed off enough to look beyond your nose eh?   calling me names has been done before, and i do not walk the same path as you do, (thankfully).   What you do not understand is that i have been listening to people like you for years, who think that because they graduated 8th grade that they actually know something!   Only in the end to have a red face when i prove who is really full of shit.  You see it is really you who doesnt know 1+1=2 based on your response to this.  you didnt like my answer, i knew you wouldnt frankly.  In the end you will have even a larger problem when i put pics up to prove it :)  So if you think you are pissed now i cant wait to see what you are when i complete the project.   This is nothing new kiddo, its 20 year old technology.  you requested i do not cite so i didnt, you have google go for it :)

Oh and btw, when you have to resort to calling people names....you have already lost the war.


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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/30/2007 6:12:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		So you're without any knowledge and can't cite a thing.  And you still can't admit you're off the deep end on this one.

I know I'm being an idiot for even bothering with you, but I'm curious about your psycology.  How do you even justify this shit to yourself?

PS-  It's all new.  No one's ever made a fusion power plant before.  It's not going to power your house- the heat from such a reaction would obliterate your neighborhood, if you did it on a very small scale.

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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/30/2007 6:29:55 AM   
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uhhhhhhhhhhh... I guess I'm unclear why you must go to all that fuss. I just used a solar voltaic array and several deep-cell batteries and had enough to do anything I wanted...including run a couple of computers. It wasn't all that expensive...and perhaps with another array, I could have plugged in a car.

I understand they're building a new solar plant over the hill (here in So Co). Wind energy is also pretty popular. I like that the 'fuel' for either is safe and free. <shrugs> I just don't understand the interest in fusion when you can have 'off grid' now.............well, unless you're a chemistry nut! LOL

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i will not only power my hoiuse with it but gerate power and send it back to the power company where I will get a check from them every month :) and also make fuel for my car. pretty much have as much energy as my lil ole heart desires and make money in the process :)


how many kw system are you running?


if you get enough panels you could sell the solar back too, but are we just being greedy here?



Well, one of the most common problems with living off the grid is........you're living OFF THE GRID. 
 
In order to sell power back...you have to be connected TO the grid.  I was not. 
 
I had just one pole, 12 pannels and 12 large, deep-cell batteries...and an inverter thingie.  The whole array could be tilted to 'follow the sun' seasonally.  The well pumped water up the mtn to a cistern, were it gravity-fed the home; so I always had water. 
 
I am single but ran two computers & peripherals, a television, stereo system, washing machine, vacuum cleaner (occasionally...HA!) and a hairdryer, sometimes.  I used my stuff pretty much anytime I felt like it and only in cloudy weather did I have to 'watch consumption'.  Of course, I didn't have a microwave nor a clothes dryer.  I cooked with propane and of course, my heat was primairly propane...augmented by wood.
 
I am one of those people who just says 'do it'...  I have no idea how big it was or why it worked; I just knew it could...and did.   But, I rather liked that there were no wires or poles nearby for electricity or telephone. I lived at the edge of the San Isabele Nat'l Forest...to put the stuff underground was prohibitively expensive...and so there was also no way to sell the energy back, either.  <shrugs>
 
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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/30/2007 8:03:09 AM   
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So you're without any knowledge and can't cite a thing.  And you still can't admit you're off the deep end on this one.

I know I'm being an idiot for even bothering with you, but I'm curious about your psycology.  How do you even justify this shit to yourself?

PS-  It's all new.  No one's ever made a fusion power plant before.  It's not going to power your house- the heat from such a reaction would obliterate your neighborhood, if you did it on a very small scale.


Just as i suspected that you are thinking "fusion plant"  NOT lol    Like i said before i will be LENR.  i would have thougth that you understood that since you are a student of the nuke.. 


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RE: Going off the grid soon - 4/30/2007 9:07:57 AM   
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Just as i suspected that you are thinking "fusion plant"  NOT lol    Like i said before i will be LENR.  i would have thougth that you understood that since you are a student of the nuke.. 


May I remind you:

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i find myself well on my way to bnilding a fusion reactor as that will be used to supply the heat for my house for sure at this point"


LENR are not nuclear reactors.  They're miscatigorized chemical reactors, label "nuclear" by a very small, confused population of novice researchers.

Look, if you want a lesson in this stuff, I'll be happy to teach you some stuff about it.
Most responses so far have just been people teasing you.  I'm curious as to why you believe the things you do.  While, yes, I believe you're being silly about this, I'm still curious as to why you're pursuing this int he way that you are.

My question is: why are you hoping for such a thing to exist so badly?  Why are you taking a pseudo-scientific approach when better alternatives exist?

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