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Vendaval -> "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/27/2007 11:49:39 PM)


"Bush official linked to call-girl probe"
 
By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer
1 hour, 28 minutes ago

" WASHINGTON - Randall Tobias, head of the Bush administration's foreign aid programs, abruptly resigned Friday after his name surfaced in an investigation into a high-priced call-girl ring, said two people in a position to know the circumstances of his departure.

It was Tobias' own decision to resign, according to one of the people, who said the issue came up only in the past day or so. The people spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way.

Tobias submitted his resignation a day after he was interviewed by ABC News for an upcoming program about an alleged prostitution service run by the so-called D.C. Madam.

ABC reported on its Web site late Friday that Tobias confirmed that he had called the Pamela Martin and Associates escort service to have women come to his condo and give him massages. More recently, Tobias told the network, he has been using a service with Central American women.

Tobias, 65, who is married, told ABC News there had been "no sex" during the women's visits to his condo. His name was on a list of clients given to ABC by Deborah Jeane Palfrey, who owns the escort service and has been charged with running a prostitution ring in the nation's capital. "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070428/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/foreign_aid_resignation




minnetar -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 10:28:55 AM)

i am curious to see how many scandals that the Bush Administration has had in regards to others.  Seems like a continual parade of Bush officials in trouble.

minnetar




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 9:24:51 PM)

Is there a reason I should care?
I am serious...I do want to  know if there is a reason I should care about this?
Anyone?




LotusSong -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 9:28:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Is there a reason I should care?
I am serious...I do want to  know if there is a reason I should care about this?
Anyone?


I guess its hows the Republican hypocaracy..beingall  Christian and righteous and all.  don't worry..I feel there will be an even number from both sides of the aisle that frequented her.




MellowSir -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 9:34:29 PM)

It's just sex




Griswold -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 9:36:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Is there a reason I should care?
I am serious...I do want to  know if there is a reason I should care about this?
Anyone?


I guess its hows the Republican hypocaracy..beingall  Christian and righteous and all.  don't worry..I feel there will be an even number from both sides of the aisle that frequented her.


A few years ago I read a report put out by the national convention & hoteliers association (or something like that):  The highest useage of pay per view porn (as in % of users) in hotels was The Southern Baptist Annual convention.




popeye1250 -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 9:43:20 PM)

Yeah, you'd figure they'd have the decency to take that shit to Florida like the Kennedy family!
Like the saying goes, "you don't shit where you eat."




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 9:48:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Is there a reason I should care?
I am serious...I do want to  know if there is a reason I should care about this?
Anyone?


I guess its hows the Republican hypocaracy..beingall  Christian and righteous and all.  don't worry..I feel there will be an even number from both sides of the aisle that frequented her.


I am sure there will be, also...But does being a Liberal Democrat make it more acceptable somehow? 
I just did a quick search (very quick), by the way,   and I can't find anything to indicate that Tobias is necessarily a republican, a conservative or even a Christian.  How quickly we assume, "oh, appointed by Bush...must be a crazy holy roller!"  Guilt by association I guess.
Still  love your new hairdo!




minnetar -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 9:50:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Is there a reason I should care?
I am serious...I do want to  know if there is a reason I should care about this?
Anyone?


I guess its hows the Republican hypocaracy..beingall  Christian and righteous and all.  don't worry..I feel there will be an even number from both sides of the aisle that frequented her.


I am sure there will be, also...But does being a Liberal Democrat make it more acceptable somehow? 
I just did a quick search (very quick), by the way,   and I can't find anything to indicate that Tobias is necessarily a republican, a conservative or even a Christian.  How quickly we assume, "oh, appointed by Bush...must be a crazy holy roller!"  Guilt by association I guess.
Still  love your new hairdo!


he is an official in the Bush Administration - guess that means republican - sorry trying to be logical

minnetar




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 9:56:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Is there a reason I should care?
I am serious...I do want to  know if there is a reason I should care about this?
Anyone?


I guess its hows the Republican hypocaracy..beingall  Christian and righteous and all.  don't worry..I feel there will be an even number from both sides of the aisle that frequented her.


I am sure there will be, also...But does being a Liberal Democrat make it more acceptable somehow? 
I just did a quick search (very quick), by the way,   and I can't find anything to indicate that Tobias is necessarily a republican, a conservative or even a Christian.  How quickly we assume, "oh, appointed by Bush...must be a crazy holy roller!"  Guilt by association I guess.
Still  love your new hairdo!


he is an official in the Bush Administration - guess that means republican - sorry trying to be logical

minnetar


Not necessarily, minnetar.  There are often bi-partisan or non-partisan appointments depending on the postion being filled. 
 
quote:

to serve as the first United States Global AIDS Coordinator with the rank of Ambassador, reporting directly to the Secretary of State. He was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on October 3, 2003 and sworn in on October 6, 2003. Ambassador Tobias was responsible for launching the highly successful President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief


quote:

Director of United States Foreign Assistance, and to nominate him to serve concurrently as Administrator of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the principal government agency that administers economic and humanitarian assistance worldwide.


http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/65376.htm 

This is not specific to an position wherein this man should or would necessarily hold a partisan view...
He could be...but he might not be.
If he is, I am sure that someone will jump in with a link to prove he is a hypocritical Christian Republican.  Or else, it will be sure to come out as they continue to smear him. 
 
Edited because I can't spell tonight

 
 




Sinergy -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 10:17:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MellowSir

It's just sex


Not when Clinton was president.

Sinergy




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/28/2007 10:21:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: MellowSir

It's just sex


Not when Clinton was president.

Sinergy


*laffing*  Ya beat Me to it!




Vendaval -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/29/2007 3:01:59 AM)

General reply -
 
I am always amused at the fall out whenever a Madame is prosecuted for operating a House of
Ill Repute.  Nothing like all the big wigs and grand-pooh-bahs running around trying to pull their
pants back up and jump out of windows.
 
And think about this quote in the article -
"More recently, Tobias told the network, he has been using a service with Central American women."

Wonder if he checks their paperwork to make sure they are legal and paying taxes? 

 
There is also the irony that this bloke was the US Global AIDS Coordinator -
 
"On July 2, 2003, President Bush announced his intent to nominate Tobias to serve as the first United States Global AIDS Coordinator with the rank of Ambassador, reporting directly to the Secretary of State. He was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on October 3, 2003 and sworn in on October 6, 2003. Ambassador Tobias was responsible for launching the highly successful President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, and for directing all U.S. Government international HIV/AIDS assistance across the various agencies and departments of the United States Government that deliver it."

And -

"Among his honors, Ambassador Tobias was named Pharmaceutical Industry CEO of the Year by the Wall Street Transcript in 1995"
 
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/65376.htm


Which leads to a question about a conflict of interest as outlined here -
 
Press statement and letter to Senators on the Foreign Relations Committee
www.globaltreatmentaccess.org | www.healthgap.org
Health GAP
Global AIDS Alliance
Africa Action
Center for Health and Gender Equity (CHANGE)


October 2, 2003
White House pick for global AIDS czar endorses disinformation campaign on global AIDS funding, abstinence policies


During Senate confirmation hearings yesterday, Randall Tobias, ex-Eli Lilly CEO and Pres. Bush's appointee for head of the U.S. Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, included in his testimony incorrect and misleading statements about the capacity of poor countries to absorb U.S. funding for AIDS treatment and prevention, according to AIDS activists. His confirmation is expected in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee today.

"Tobias told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that according to his experts, money is 'not the problem' in confronting the AIDS crisis," said Asia Russell of Health GAP. "This is patently untrue. Annual spending on AIDS in poor countries needs to reach $10.5 billion by 2005 just to utilize poor countries' _existing infrastructure_ alone. U.S. underfunding of the fight against AIDS _is_ a major problem."

Today, total global spending on AIDS is only $4.7 billion. "While the Administration continues to hide behind the excuse of inadequate infrastructure," asserts Rusell, "it is undermining the Global Fund, the multilateral program with the capacity and legitimacy in place to save lives now."

The Global Fund needs $3 billion in 2004 to fund qualified proposals. Pres. Bush plans to give only 6.6% of the total to the Global Fund in 2004, or $200 million, although the U.S. comprises 33% of the world economy. Bush promised $1 billion for the Global Fund, as part of his $3 billion Global AIDS Act, signed into law in May. Bush has broken that promise, according to advocates. "The Administration plans to isolate and underfund multilateral efforts to combat the pandemic, even if they have to mislead the public in order to do it," said Salih Booker, Director, Africa Action.

Before his confirmation hearing, Tobias drew criticism because of his lack of experience in public health and because of potential conflict of interest as a corporate Pharma CEO. Eli Lilly is a member of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, PhRMA, a group lobbying the U.S. Government to seek greater intellectual property rights to protect monopolies on expensive medicines in the developing world and whose members are major Republican campaign donors.

"Trusting this position--with so many lives at stake--to someone with no public health experience is astonishing," said Dr. Paul Zeitz, Director, Global AIDS Alliance. "Tobias told the Committee he hoped to use his pharma background to 'get a better deal' on drug prices. Negotiations with brand-name companies have never been as effective as generic competition in reducing the prices of AIDS drugs. Will this be an initiative that favors corporate cronyism over best practice?"
 
Tobias also claimed, erroneously, that declines in the rate of HIV infections in Uganda are the result of campaigns focused primarily on abstinence. "Promotion of abstinence has been, at best, only one aspect of a much broader campaign to reduce HIV in Uganda," notes Jodi Jacobson, Executive Director of the Center for Health and Gender Equity, "One that has included frank talk about sex at all levels of public discourse and widespread promotion of effective condom use, among other strategies."

The Administration efforts, says Jacobson, "to portray Uganda's approach as a one-dimensional strategy serves a narrow ideological agenda, in which public health and scientific evidence are virtually irrelevant." The Bush Administration's plan to make abstinence-only strategies the core of its global prevention agenda "will unquestionably lead to a more illness and death," said Jacobson.

Amendments are expected to the White House Emergency Supplemental spending bill next week that would restore global AIDS funding to the original level promised by the President. Similar amendments have already been aggressively opposed by the White House, through Senate proxies including Bill Frist (R-TN).

Contacts:
Asia Russell, Health GAP: (267) 475-2645
Salih Booker, Africa Action: (202) 546-7961
Dr. Paul Zeitz, Global AIDS Alliance: (202) 365-6786
Jodi Jacobson, CHANGE: (301) 270-1182

ENDS


http://www.healthgap.org/press_releases/03/100203_HGAP_JNT_PS_Tobias_oppose.html




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selfbnd411 -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/30/2007 10:42:07 AM)

A 2004 article in Foreign Affairs builds on this:

* Tobias forced the UN to purchase name brand drugs rather than generics, benefiting his cronies in big pharma.
* He declared before leaving for a trip to Africa that "Statistics show that condoms really have not been very effective."

Wonder if he used a condom with the prostitutes he used?

But when it comes to his prediliction for "Central American gals," I'm not surprised.  We darker skinned folks have been corrupting good white men since slavery-days! [;)]






SuzanneKneeling -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/30/2007 2:58:52 PM)

Vendaval, unfortunately that's an all-too-typical illustration of how corrupt this White House has been in funneling favors to their friends in industry. But I think this thread has been beating around the Bush (so to speak) on the richest vein of irony. Here I give you, straight from the barn that currently houses the horse's a$$ himself,

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20041201.html

Beth, from Alameda, CA writes:
How is promoting only abstinence going to stop the spread of AIDS, especially when much of it is spread through trafficking and prostitution?

Ambassador Randall L. Tobias
Beth, I'm so glad you asked this question, because it gives me a chance to clear up a lingering misconception about President Bush's Emergency Plan. A key element of our strategy is the balanced ABC policy, pioneered with tremendous success in Uganda. It does include an emphasis on 'Abstinence'. especially for youth, but also on 'Being faithful,' especially for those in committed relationships, and for those who engage in risky behavior, it includes correct and consistent use of 'Condoms'. Those are the A, B and C of ABC.

And our prevention work doesn.t start and end with ABC. As I mentioned earlier, we are also providing drug therapy and intensive counseling to prevent mother-to-child transmission of HIV. We also support locally designed behavior change strategies that direct tailored messages to appropriate groups, support the roles of parents and others who can help protect girls, and strengthen families. and communities. ability to care for orphans and vulnerable children.

The U.S. is also partnering with communities to find solutions to such issues as sexual coercion and exploitation of women and girls, as well as fighting sex trafficking and prostitution, while still serving victims of these activities.

To ensure that the problems women face are addressed from every angle, the President's Emergency Plan also includes highly successful relationship and anti-violence programs aimed at men and boys to help them develop healthy relationships with women.




meatcleaver -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/30/2007 3:09:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: MellowSir

It's just sex


Not when Clinton was president.

Sinergy


Clinton didn't pay for his and was therefore undermining capitalism, pursuit of profit and the American way![:D]




cyberdude611 -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/30/2007 3:11:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval


"Bush official linked to call-girl probe"
 
By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer
1 hour, 28 minutes ago

" WASHINGTON - Randall Tobias, head of the Bush administration's foreign aid programs, abruptly resigned Friday after his name surfaced in an investigation into a high-priced call-girl ring, said two people in a position to know the circumstances of his departure.

It was Tobias' own decision to resign, according to one of the people, who said the issue came up only in the past day or so. The people spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way.

Tobias submitted his resignation a day after he was interviewed by ABC News for an upcoming program about an alleged prostitution service run by the so-called D.C. Madam.

ABC reported on its Web site late Friday that Tobias confirmed that he had called the Pamela Martin and Associates escort service to have women come to his condo and give him massages. More recently, Tobias told the network, he has been using a service with Central American women.

Tobias, 65, who is married, told ABC News there had been "no sex" during the women's visits to his condo. His name was on a list of clients given to ABC by Deborah Jeane Palfrey, who owns the escort service and has been charged with running a prostitution ring in the nation's capital. "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070428/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/foreign_aid_resignation


If this was a Democrat president, it wouldnt even make front page news.




Vendaval -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/30/2007 3:14:27 PM)

Hello Suzanne and welcome to the forums.  [:)]
 
The hypocrisy of this guy using calling girls and "massage therapists"
is just ridiculous.  And did he use his own money to pay for these
services? Or an account tied to his public position?  How many more
scandals are going to come out of the DC Madame's Black Book?
This situation is going to be an ongoing parade of fools.
 
Thank you for posting the link and information.
 
Regards,
 
Vendaval

quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzanneKneeling
The U.S. is also partnering with communities to find solutions to such issues as sexual coercion and exploitation of women and girls, as well as fighting sex trafficking and prostitution, while still serving victims of these activities.

To ensure that the problems women face are addressed from every angle, the President's Emergency Plan also includes highly successful relationship and anti-violence programs aimed at men and boys to help them develop healthy relationships with women.





Vendaval -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/30/2007 3:16:58 PM)

What makes you say that?  This is not about Democrats or Republicans. 
It's about public officials caught with their pants down, literally.

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
If this was a Democrat president, it wouldnt even make front page news.




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farglebargle -> RE: "Bush official linked to call-girl probe" (4/30/2007 3:26:11 PM)

The REAL QUESTION on everyone's minds is:

DID HE USE A RUBBER WHEN HE FUCKED THOSE WHORES???





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