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ORIGINAL: Archer

A to the Rights argument from the Declaration of Independance the inalienable rights are not all enummerated, and to assume that every right granted in the Constitution is based on an inalienable right granted by their creator is a fatally flawed assumption.
Civil rights are granted by the civil autorities and can be removed when the social contract is violated by the citizen or alien.
Legal theory that applies would be contract law, where a contract sets for that the contract does not survive beyond a break.

Even the constitution provides that one's Liberty can be taken away after due process.
So if your argument that a right cannot be taken away held then The Constitution breaks the idea set forth in the Declaration of Independance. Ammendment 5 "...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."
So two of the supposedly inallienable rights can be removed with due process of law.

Game Set and Match

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Flawed again fargle those bytes of data are almost never the product itself. Information is not usually a product, when the bytes represent money then banking laws apply and the money and goods are tracked that way.

Edited section added: Those transactions are recorded on the books of the Multi National and that transaction should it have a tax consequence will come forth at the end of the quarter when filed.
Transfer the Doohicky from Subsidiary A (in the USA) to Subbsidiary B (in India) It goes off the books in the USA and on the books in India and any customs happens when the Hard Good (Capital) represented by the bytes actually crosses a boarder.
When it leaves a US port it clears US Customs and when it arrives in an Indian port it then clears Indian Customs.


Try a hard good or money the definition of Capital and your argument fails as those transfers of bytes representing financial transfers are regulated and recorded. When they represent information they do not meet the definition of Capital.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Archer

A to the Rights argument from the Declaration of Independance the inalienable rights are not all enummerated, and to assume that every right granted in the Constitution is based on an inalienable right granted by their creator is a fatally flawed assumption.
Civil rights are granted by the civil autorities and can be removed when the social contract is violated by the citizen or alien.
Legal theory that applies would be contract law, where a contract sets for that the contract does not survive beyond a break.

Even the constitution provides that one's Liberty can be taken away after due process.
So if your argument that a right cannot be taken away held then The Constitution breaks the idea set forth in the Declaration of Independance. Ammendment 5 "...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law..."
So two of the supposedly inallienable rights can be removed with due process of law.

Game Set and Match

I expect as long as an INDIVIDUAL enjoys exactly the same privileges as, say , General Electric, then I'd go along with that.

Let's say, you're Union Carbide, and you go and 15,000 people by releasing poison into the air.

Union Carbide should get the death penalty, shouldn't they?

Well, what did happen after Bhopal?

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

They have brought LEPROSY into the U.S. There have been a few outbreaks in the North East part of the country!

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ORIGINAL: Archer

So fargle are you saying that the stockholders should be jointly and severably liable reguardless of how much or little stock they have in a company like Union Carbide?

Death for every stockholder?

That's gonna be one helll of a long trial, defendant #9870209248 Holds i share in the form of a Mutual fund, how do you plead?

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I'm saying that the laws should be equally enforced whether it's some Piece-of-Shit-Corporation, or a Real-Flesh-and-Blood-Person.

And since the Corporations ( Who in this instance are the embodiment of "Capital") have such an advantage, compared to the Individual ("Labor"), ( as in, a Corporation kills 15,000 people and isn't put to death, but a PERSON who did the same thing (*cough* Saddam Hussein *cough* ) is hanged like a criminal.

This entire immigration "issue" is just "Capital" using propaganda to divide "Labor", and thereby cement their incredible advantage.


"We know where we're going

We know where we're from

We Leaving Babylon-

We goin to our Father's Land....."

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ORIGINAL: selfbnd411

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

They have brought LEPROSY into the U.S. There have been a few outbreaks in the North East part of the country!

Jeez, you left out Popery!

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Problem is you can't simply have free labor trversing boarders unrecorded, We don't have Capital doing that either.
It crosses borders and clears Customs. Now the law may be with Free Trade that there is no Tax on the import of goods, but that does not mean the goods can come across without being checked by Customs Officials. And when checked it has to meet certain lawfull codes of where it is going and how it is packaged.
So the Free Labor Argument fails.

Since Free refers to taxes and duties and there is none placed on immigrants who enter the country legally we have Free Labor.
What taxes they pay are based on income not enterance.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Tomorrow there is going to be another illegal immigrant march. I just finished listening to the organizer of said march lamenting that they are marching for rights. They can't vote or receive benefits.

WHEN are they going to get it through their heads.. it's because the moment you snuck into this country breaking the law!!!

When you do that.. you GET no rights, just as if you broke into my home through an unlocked back door and demanded a room and food as your "right" just because you made it in the back door.

THIS time...since they are all out in the open.. arrest them all and ship them back until they understand the system.

I'm TOTALLY fed up!

If it's the right of Capital to have Free Markets, why isn't it the right of Labor?

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ORIGINAL: Archer

So fargle are you saying that the stockholders should be jointly and severably liable reguardless of how much or little stock they have in a company like Union Carbide?

Death for every stockholder?

That's gonna be one helll of a long trial, defendant #9870209248 Holds i share in the form of a Mutual fund, how do you plead?

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ORIGINAL: Devilslilsister

If we get rid of all the illegal immigrants............. whose going to do all the shitty jobs?

If we LEGALIZE them......... its solves a world of problems. 

Legalize them AND then arrest them for breaking the law.... and then have them pay resitution for the rest of their lives..... have them do community service (like they arent already)..... pay taxes.......

hell - the illegal immigrates are part of the economy now.  You'd piss alot of people off who need their cheap labor if you kicked em all out.

legalize them.