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Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 12:31:11 PM   
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Was going to hijack the thread, but I suppose a new one's better..
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I believe that natural, non-switching dominant women are just rare enough that some people would never have met one and come to the conclusion that they don't exist. The same could be said of natural dominant men, though!

I hope you don't mind, GirlScout.  If so, my apologies for not taking the time to check first and I'll edit it out.

I just have to ask this, because it's confusing me so badly.  What do people mean when they say something like "natural dominants are rare"?  I've heard this sentiment so many times, and I've often asked for explanation when seen, but now I'm just far too curious.

I've never been very social, so I never paid much attention to others outside my family and close friends to notice a lack of dominance.  Inside my family, most are at least somewhat dominant.  I've come to believe it's a normal, human characteristic that most people have.  So is this not the case, or do people mean something more than what I'm readily picking up by "naturally dominant"?  (I'm getting now that most people might not be naturally dominant, but for it to be "rare"?  That's the part that's confusing me.)
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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 12:49:55 PM   
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How odd, I myself am one, so maybe I'll just explain why I consider myself one?

From a young age, my mother and best friends have noticed I "took charge" not so much a bosy way but when grouping togeather I'd orginize and get things moving. As I got older I started clubs, projectgs and even small little business ventures with friends and in school. I at 16 very early on, went looking for web cam chats in CBT and boy/trans submissive groups, for small sessions, I got off terribly making them use themselves in all ways, this was far before I knew anything about BDSM or the term Dominate or Mistress. Oh also that brings me to another concern, as a Mistess am I allowed to reply here?

On the whole why I say Im a natural dominate? Its becuase its part of my everyday life, its wholey who I am, not something I Put on, or a button thats pushed that goes from normal to mistress. Its simply what I am as a person. And since Im new I can't say its rare, but from my small experince I've not found many like myself.


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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 12:54:53 PM   
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I think the only time the guys get irritated with us invading their turf or vice versa is when a thread degenerates into something ugly or one of us starts the "men are better than women" or "women are better than men" silliness.  Aside from that nobody on either side generally gets their panties in a wad.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 12:57:46 PM   
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I think the only time the guys get irritated with us invading their turf or vice versa is when a thread degenerates into something ugly or one of us starts the "men are better than women" or "women are better than men" silliness.  Aside from that nobody on either side generally gets their panties in a wad.


*chuckles* Ahh thank you again, MissKat, I seemed to have tred on a few toes with one of my first posts so Im making a point to be a bit more mannered in how I do things here.


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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 12:59:40 PM   
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I'm glad to see you here.  I always feel such a strong urge to pet you..  :P

I can appreciate where you come from, too.. it feels similar.  You're not role playing.  This is who you are.. and you haven't given any objection to my compliment of being adorable, which most Mistresses would find condescending to no end.
Anyhow, half for our benifit, mostly for others', that's out of my system.

The whole just.. telling people what to do and controlling things.. I've always viewed people as all dominant, competing for who has the right to exert such dominance.  I'm still at a loss to entirely understand the motivations of submissives- not to say that I'm not more than grateful for their existence.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 1:03:46 PM   
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Plus, she's a tomboy.  So it's okay.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 1:11:01 PM   
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I'm glad to see you here.  I always feel such a strong urge to pet you..  :P

I can appreciate where you come from, too.. it feels similar.  You're not role playing.  This is who you are.. and you haven't given any objection to my compliment of being adorable, which most Mistresses would find condescending to no end.
Anyhow, half for our benifit, mostly for others', that's out of my system.


Aww thanks. I think why I differ in that area is just do the fact thats the sort of Mistress I am. I enjoy fully being small and a tiny bit childish, I dress more in cute lace and colors then I do to ever wear back latex and rubber, Im not fond of it. My boys and girls know that dispite my looks and personality as kidish that I demand fully thier obeience, my pony finds it even more humilating knowing that I in no way "look" the part and yet he is fully my slut disipite the fact he could easly topple me over becuase he's vastly larger then me.

So long answer short, I thrive on being cute. But I can understand some Dom's would find it insulting.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 1:13:29 PM   
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While the alpha chxx are quite busy giving orders and discipline, forming little in-clix and eXcluding, the beta chxx are working ever so hard to be iNcluded... heheheh, In both cases it's quite about deep inferiority and basically to earn love. Now while they are fooling around with all that us gamma chxx are actually doing so real work. Of course this gets the alpha-beta hens to cackling, but then that's all just noise anyway.

Go lay some eggs girls, or get some botox, or something truly important   :)

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 1:16:58 PM   
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Let's NOT confuse being dominant with being a bitch.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 1:18:36 PM   
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Is someone doing that?

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 1:19:16 PM   
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I am gonna guess that it is a multitude of things. There are some that will scream bloody murder that they are naturally dominant regardless of wether it's true or not. Then I am sure that there are some that were kind of middle of the road but life nudged them one way or another.

I see it similarly to sexuality, varying degrees. You have the 100%, would never even consider having sex with.....whatever, depending on wether we are talking gay or straight, male or female. Then you have the, I did a fling in college but am......whatever......now. Then you have those that are middle of the road bisexual, wether admittedly and happily or not. Similarly you will find dominance and submission.


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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 1:20:31 PM   
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quote:

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Is someone doing that?


Maybe at her high school........

(now THAT is being a bitch!)


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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 1:27:57 PM   
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LOL so let's not make the mistake that someone who is a bitch (or asshole) can also not be dominant (or submissive).  Whew.  Glad we got that cleared up. :p

OK I have not actually yet answered the OP.  I don't really know what the definition of natural dominant is.  I think I naturally have very dominant tendencies.  I chose to get into this lifestyle based a lot because of those as well as my inclination toward the kink aspects.  I am not sure I would say it is very rare.  Maybe it's just my own experience but I think I know more of who I would consider naturally dominant people (regardless of whether or not they are in the lifestyle) than naturally submissive people.  Though, I also think most people have the ability (and sometimes good sense) to be both in differeing situations.  But again, I think that depends on what the definition is. 

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 1:31:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

Is someone doing that?


Maybe at her high school........

(now THAT is being a bitch!)



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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 1:36:32 PM   
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Everyone has dominant and submissive personality traits. However one or the other will usually prevail over the other. I am naturally dominant and have been so all my life. Decision making comes quite easily for me, I do not hesitate to take on the leadership role. It is just natural and I do have a hard time handing control over to someone else.

I think if your not a natural dom or sub, perhaps you could be pretending to be something that you are not? I mean doesn't this come from deep inside of a person? I know it does with me. Though I have heard of cases where people pretend to be one role base solely upon their gender and not their personality or mindset.

So are we rare? Eh, I think there are more subs than dominants but since no one has done a world census we may never know.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 2:40:51 PM   
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I think that in this genre we get a little confused about the concept of dominance and submissiveness.  Some people, like me, are very gregarious and pushy and just naturally expect everyone else to bend to their will.  Such people can be said to be domineering and thusly have a dominantnature, or at least a desire to be dominant.  Other people are very quiet, even shy, but they have certain standards that they expect and so tend to take control of a given situation, such people can also be said to be dominant.  Interestingly, I would even go so far as to say that many people are very manipulative and rather clandestine in their approach, preferring that nobody see them as being domineering; they might even describe themselves as being submissive, the so-called "passive-aggressive" type.  Then there are people who really have very submissive personalities, most of these people are not into D/s as an erotic lifestyle, it is simply who and what they are. 

In my experience, in the realm of a D/s relationship, it is really a matter of the dominant and submissive being just two sides of the same coin.  Much like testosterone seems to affect human sexuality for both men and women, dominance, or an appreciation of dominance, is what drives both sides of the erotic D/s relationship.  The "submissive" has a high level of dominance, but is more sexually aroused at being the "bottom" of the power relationship.  So-called "slaves" are often the most domineering and manipulative women I know, except that their "wiring" is such that they truly appreciate someone who will turn that dominance back on them.  A truly submissive person would never be aroused or excited or mentally stimulated at being required to spend long periods of time on their knees at the whim of a dominant.  However, a person who has a certain level of dominance in themselves will find the juxtaposition and irony of the situation very erotic.  In other words, in order to want to be a "slave" a person has to have an appreciation of the power dynamic, which is best acquired through having a dominant nature.

This, I believe, is why it is so very common to find that the "dom" in the relationship is engaged in a less lucrative career than his/her "subbie".  The "submissive" is actually very dominant, but simply chooses to surrender that part of her/his personality to the other person, particularly when it is a great way to take the pressure off in their homelife. 

I have known some truly submissive people, the real "go-along" types.  These are people who will do just about anything to avoid conflict.  They live their entire lives in dread of having to relay bad news or to be forced to actually have to make a decision or to espouse a view that might not be popular.  They would far and away prefer to be enslaved, in the very real sense of the word, than to have to fight to retain their liberty.  They have no political beliefs, or at least none that matter, even to themselves.  These people are not the kind of people who are interested in surrendering themselves to the love of another, there is no will to surrender.  They have no interest in a D/s relationship.  Rather, they are generally in abusive relationships, and resent every minute of it.

As to being a natural dominant, well, pretty much anyone that is in this forum is probably a natural dominant, slaves and masters and mistresses alike.  The natural submissives are the people out there looking at us and saying "Gee, I don't know what they see in that whips and chains stuff".

As a side note, Richard Crane (Hogan's Hero's), Adolf Hitler and Lawrence of Arabia are all known to have enjoyed the "bottom" or "submissive" side of sexual relationships.  These people were all definate "type A" personalities.  There was nothing "submissive" about them.

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 4:32:50 PM   
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heheheheh... thank you for those example of alpha-beta spout-&-suck dears :)

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 4:49:16 PM   
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Seriously, I am confused.  What exactly do you mean? 

Edited for typo

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 5:11:55 PM   
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Nogimmicks,
 
You seriously need to start posting more!
 
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I guess some people are impressed with "natural" dominants, but I come from a long line of dominants who were bred for this.  We are ENHANCED natural dominants.  As the saying goes...first liar doesn't stand a chance

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RE: Naturally Dominant: Rare? - 5/1/2007 5:13:14 PM   
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greetings peepeegirl,

i'm with the gorgeous ms. kat. i don't get it either. *sits on the confused couch*

greetings curiouslord,

i think, as someone else mentioned, it's when those traits that the person considers to embody dominance are the most powerful personality traits they have. for example, the traits that i feel embody my submissiveness are the traits that also basically define my personality as a human being and have always done so. therefore, i would say i am a "natural submissive." it would be against my nature to be anything other than a submissive.

that said, i don't understand why someone who is not "naturally dominant" or "naturally submissive" in this context would even label themselves dominant or submissive to begin with...because one would think the role wouldn't be a good fit for them. and if that's an acceptable hypothesis, then the "natural" bit is kind of redundant.

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