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Creating the Perfect slave - 5/4/2005 9:41:48 AM   
QnofH3arts


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After months of email and online interviews with literally hundreds of potential slaves, phone interviews with dozens and actually meeting a few of them face to face, I begin to think that the only way I am going to find that which I crave is to create it myself. You may be thinking that I am too particular. I am.

I first saw the thought expressed elsewhere in Sting's response to the Male Caging thread. Can a man be broken and remade, changed, shaped, molded into My perfect slave? Just call Me Frankenstein or God. (both reportedly males, by the way). (Side note: I asked a friend for the names of others who had attempted to create or change human nature and was given a long list: Mandella, Ghandi, Jones, King, Hitler, et all - again, all males.)

So, to cut this short, My questions are these: Why do We search so long and hard to find that one who most closely fits our criteria? If it is truly possible to break and remake a man, why do We not simply go out and snatch any man attractive to Us off the streets, confine him and make him Our perfect slave? What means would We use to do that if We were so inclined?

I have My own thoughts on this subject, My own answers to these questions, but I am interested in hearing Yours.
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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/4/2005 9:56:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		We don't do that because we don't want a man who is broken. We want a man who is, himself, what we want. If we have to brainwash someone into becoming what we want, then it is no longer sane, safe, or consensual. Especially when there are so many cuties out there who ARE what we want (or close to it, anyway). Why on earth would we risk jail time to create something that we could have pre-made if we are just patient long enough?

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/4/2005 10:03:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I really don't like to term "breaking a slave", to me it brings to mind the picture of a fragile glass being shattered on the floor. I do, however, like the idea of molding someone into what it is I desire. We all have our own wants/needs and desires, I see nothing wrong with training someone to suit me. As far as perfection goes...puhlease. Show me a perfect submissive or slave or Master or Mistress for that matter and I'll show you someone who seriously has problems.
I don't want anyone close to perfect in the general sense, I simply want someone who compliments me.
There's nothing wrong with teaching (molding) a submissive or a slave, it enhances the bond between Dominant and property, I believe it helps give purpose to the relationship.
Would you not train a new puppy? Do married couples not train each other in subtle ways? Why should this be any different? You know what you like, there may be someone out there who is into and desires the same thing...they need to be taught, trained, or molded into that which closely resembles what it is you are after.

Just my thoughts

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/4/2005 10:08:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, the training thing we do - everyone wants different things, so even someone who is already "trained" has to be trained to our specifications, but yeah ... breaking them is not an option. I want them already submissive, already willing to learn what we like.

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/4/2005 12:19:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: QnofH3arts

Disclaimer: Please do not take some of the comments in the following post too seriously. It does not necessarily reflect My feelings/opinions, but is placed here as food for thought. I am a Psychology major, so hopefully one day it will be My job to make people think. This is practice ;)

After months of email and online interviews with literally hundreds of potential slaves, phone interviews with dozens and actually meeting a few of them face to face, I begin to think that the only way I am going to find that which I crave is to create it myself. You may be thinking that I am too particular. I am.

I first saw the thought expressed elsewhere in Sting's response to the Male Caging thread. Can a man be broken and remade, changed, shaped, molded into My perfect slave? Just call Me Frankenstein or God. (both reportedly males, by the way). (Side note: I asked a friend for the names of others who had attempted to create or change human nature and was given a long list: Mandella, Ghandi, Jones, King, Hitler, et all - again, all males.)

So, to cut this short, My questions are these: Why do We search so long and hard to find that one who most closely fits our criteria? If it is truly possible to break and remake a man, why do We not simply go out and snatch any man attractive to Us off the streets, confine him and make him Our perfect slave? What means would We use to do that if We were so inclined?

I have My own thoughts on this subject, My own answers to these questions, but I am interested in hearing Yours.


An individual's uniqueness is what makes them a treasure.

Who said it is possible to truly break a man and remake him?

Who wants a man who is capable of being broken? I would want the man that held out.

Now if you are just talking about "a perfect slave" being a man who submits in the style and manner you find most attractive -- sure, that's very feasible. Just like it is possible to "retrain" a man to make love the way you like it, or kiss the way you like it. As long as he isn't too set in his ways, and is sincere about wanting to please, it just takes patience and communication.

If you are talking about changing personality characteristics that have been present since childhood or ingrained in their being, that's a different story. Someone's capacity for lying, cheating, being late all the time, being absent minded, having a short temper, having no temper, having spirituality, being politically onesided -- these are traits that often won't shift no matter what you do. That's why they say, "you have to love the person for who they are, you can't change them." Sure you might make progress, but don't expect to make him perfect.

You can't make someone perfect. You wouldn't want someone perfect anyway; it's the differences in people that make relationships work quite often.

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/4/2005 5:51:35 PM   
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We don't do that because we don't want a man who is broken. We want a man who is, himself, what we want.


This echos my sentiments exactly. I want a partner, not a project.

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/4/2005 6:58:05 PM   
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I want a partner, not a project.


Amen!

So is it only Me or do all of you Ladies receive emails from men offering themselves up as "blank canvasses" to be remade in the way that would please Us most? Or worse, feeling they need to be confined, beaten, starved, caged, whatever, to make them into what We desire. What are your thoughts on the mentality that would seek this type of situation?

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/4/2005 11:26:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		My typical response to those is "if I wanted a doormat, I'd go to (insert favorite store here) and buy one for $5"

I don't understand the mentality of guys like that. I want someone with a personality - it is not pleasing to me to have a mirror to reflect my own interests back at me. That's boring. And to have to "confine, beat, starve, cage, whatever" ... blah, too much work when I can find someone who already is most of what I want and can be directed towards the rest.

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 2:40:47 AM   
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Can a man be broken and remade, changed, shaped, molded into My perfect slave?


i am wonderring how you are using the word broken. somewhat like a horse is "broken" and then trained to be productive? or something more brutal like the slave was broken.

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 4:28:31 AM   
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Who said it is possible to truly break a man and remake him?


The United States Marine Corp for one...

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So is it only Me or do all of you Ladies receive emails from men offering themselves up as "blank canvasses" to be remade in the way that would please Us most?


I've found that if you can find a partner that comes reasonably close to your personal criteria anything else can be fixed. I prefer a submissive that I don't have to "untrain" and then "retrain" to my liking. No, I don't necessarily want a major project, but I do believe that in a lot of ways We all do it. Whether it's the way the submissive dresses, serves, cooks, performs orally.... we all wish to change something about that person to fit Us better. There are no "cookie cutter" submissive/slaves out there, and if there were, it would be boring as hell. I'm picky, I want my dinner cooked a certain way, a professional chef would go nuts trying to cook for me... therefore I want one that is flexible enough to be "remade" to "fit" me.

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 8:23:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		When you look into how the mind functions at the neurological level, some light can be shed on how conditioning works. I think the only time anyone is truly a "blank slate" is the day they were born. From that moment on, experience is leaving its mark.

For example, linquists have documented that every human being is capable of producing the full spectrum of sounds used in speaking every language on earth. But around the age of two, we lose the ability to produce the sounds not used by the native language we are hearing as we grow up in our respective cultures. Among other reasons, this is why it's so difficult to learn another language later on.

The higher function areas of the brain are made up of trillions of nerve cells. Each is capable of passing its electrical impulse to all the cells adjacent to it but that impulse will only "jump" to one of the other nerve cells. This is known as the "action potential." Once the jump has been made, the cell's action potential level drops to zero. Each time the impulse takes the same path, it gets reinforced and the probability that the route will be used again increases.

This explains many things...how we develop habits and traits, remember things in the past but have trouble remembering others, are effected by traumatic experiences, have epiphanies, and so forth. I know many out there (mostly subs) have the fantasy of being broken but the reality is that at best one can be retrained or enhanced. It would be almost destructive to actually break someone as the process would affect unintended areas along with the targeted result.

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 8:37:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am new and am looking to serve a mistress i am a subsissy who wears lingere hopefully i don't offend you but would like to find a dom to serve .I don't know the approach to take but I can offer domestic services and a offer my services as a landscaper.

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 8:55:58 AM   
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Who said it is possible to truly break a man and remake him?

The United States Marine Corp for one...


And the adherents of many religions sometimes single out individuals who are deemed irredeemable. Tagged utterly sinful with no hope of redemption other than the mercy of God, these poor souls are crushed into the ground by their co-religionists until they break.

Its a form of brainwashing. And as Anthrosub mentioned it is a partial and incomplete process -with lots of loose ends and unhappiness.

Breaking a person is cruelty.

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 9:59:56 AM   
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i am wonderring how you are using the word broken. somewhat like a horse is "broken" and then trained to be productive? or something more brutal like the slave was broken.


For the record, "broken" is not My terminology, but one that I have heard often when a man refers to how he desires to be "trained". I happen to own a horse farm and never did like that term when used in regard to horses. It implies that their spirit is broken and they are now mindless, obedient creatures. We do not "break" horses here, we gentle them.

And just as I do not want My horses to be mindlessly obedient, neither do I want My man that way. I want spirit, intelligence and incentive combined with the desire to please. The search continues....

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 2:59:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		And there are some slaves/men who want nothing more than being a slave taken to be used as you wish. To be broken, used and abused as much as you'd like but we cannot find you either. gabe. [email protected]

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 3:20:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: QnofH3arts

quote:

i am wonderring how you are using the word broken. somewhat like a horse is "broken" and then trained to be productive? or something more brutal like the slave was broken.


For the record, "broken" is not My terminology, but one that I have heard often when a man refers to how he desires to be "trained". I happen to own a horse farm and never did like that term when used in regard to horses. It implies that their spirit is broken and they are now mindless, obedient creatures. We do not "break" horses here, we gentle them.

And just as I do not want My horses to be mindlessly obedient, neither do I want My man that way. I want spirit, intelligence and incentive combined with the desire to please. The search continues....



Good for you! To me that is a much nicer definition.

little spike

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 3:31:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are more of us (real slaves) around than most people could ever imagine. All i want to do is to vanish in the world of slavery. I have lived the frist half of my life as a
free man, now at 50 I want to live the second half as a slave. [email protected]

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 4:03:55 PM   
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All i want to do is to vanish in the world of slavery.


Does this mean you seek to abrogate responsibility, you're no longer interested in being a productive, self-supporting member of society, you're looking for someone else to make all of your decisions and take responsibility for all of your actions or lack of actions? Which probably brings us back to old threads regarding what exactly IS a slave?

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 4:23:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just a thought... I don't know much about training male slaves, but as far as remaking and molding goes... It helps surely, if there's some raw material there to begin with?

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RE: Creating the Perfect slave - 5/5/2005 5:37:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: QnofH3arts

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All i want to do is to vanish in the world of slavery.


Does this mean you seek to abrogate responsibility, you're no longer interested in being a productive, self-supporting member of society, you're looking for someone else to make all of your decisions and take responsibility for all of your actions or lack of actions? Which probably brings us back to old threads regarding what exactly IS a slave?


I am confident that is exactly what he means, no matter how he tries to pretty it up. I have had many boys write to Me with this fantasy, and some of them have been married with young children, but they just want to vanish off the face of the earth. I call them "the runaways".
I notice that GabrielNathanR does not have a profile here, but is eager to offer his email address.

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