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"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not
behind the scenes." --Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli of England, in 1844.
"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England ... (and) ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule
established."-- Professor of History Carroll Quigley, Georgetown University, in his book "Tragedy and Hope".
"The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls
its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation."-- Mayor (1918-1925) John F. Hylan of New York.
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House.
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insideous forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." -- Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg ("Angel" to and active in the United World Federalists), son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution through James' brother Max, banker to the German government - See the Siss?on Report
"[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most
significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United
States to change it's perceptions." -- Henry Kissenger, World Affairs Council Press Conference,
Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19th 1994
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion
for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination practiced in past centuries"--David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting in June of 1991
http://www.freedomdomain.com/nwoquote.htm
http://www.greaterthings.com/Conspiracy/NewWorldOrder/NWO_quotes.htm
http://www.svpvril.com/nwo.html
The quotes from prestigious people are endless! i could literally fill cm's hard drives with this crap!
This is a pretty good read from what i can tell:
His name was Adam Weishaupt and the organization he founded on May 1, 1776, was called the Order of the Illuminati.
In dealing with an emotionally-charged topic such as conspiracy, to avoid confusion it is necessary to begin with a definition of the concept. Conspiracy is a human activity involving (1) more than one person, (2) the parties to this activity are advancing basically the same or common objectives, and (3) they are advancing objectives which, by very reasonable standards, are personally harmful, evil or destructive. And, finally, (4) they're doing all this either in secret or without fully advertising in advance what they're planning to do, and certainly not to their potential victims.
Note that the definition says the parties to a conspiracy are doing the same things, or advancing common objectives, but not at all necessarily are they all doing so for the same personal reasons or motivations. And the essential focus of conspiratorial research should be on the actions of individual persons, not merely their backgrounds or organizational affiliations.
Down through the ages there have been many secret societies and conspiratorial movements that had as their goals absolute rule of the world, overthrow of all existing governments, and the final destruction of all religion.
It is possible (with much study-see Annotated Bibliography) to trace the origins and developments of these many movements: the early anti-Christian mysticism of the Gnostics; the conspiracy against orthodox Islam and for world power that was founded by Hasan Saba in Persia in 1090 A.D. as the Order of the Assassins; the Catholic Order of the Knights Templar, whose heretical leaders imitated the Assassins' system for the destruction of Christianity. During the thirteenth through seventeenth centuries such groups as the Luciferians, Rosicrucians, Levellers and many others continued the war against Christianity that had begun in Europe with the Templars. It is even possible to establish that some of these groups were not merely imitating each other or some older system of belief and a few organizational links can be found.
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/early_history_of_the_illuminati_conspiracy.htm
With the help of Adolph Freiherr Knigge, on May 1, 1776 Weishaupt formed the "Order of Perfectibilists", which was later known as the Illuminati. He adopted the name of "Brother Spartacus" within the order. Though the Order was not egalitarian or democratic, its mission was to establish a New World Order, which meant the abolition of all monarchical governments and religions. Soon however he had developed gnostic mysteries of his own, with the goal of "perfecting human" nature through re-education to achieve a communal state with nature, freed of government and organized religion. He began working towards incorporating his system of Illuminism into that of Masonry, with the aim of creating a New World Order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt
Adam Weishaupt was a Bavarian Illuminati who, on 1st May 1776, with the financial support of the House of Rothschild, founded a German expression of Illuminism. However, the Bavarian seers can be traced back to a 16th century Muslim cult of illuminated men called the Roshaniya in Afghanistan. Weishaupt produced the “Law of Fives.” His original inner council was structured around the pentagram.
http://www.holygrail-church.fsnet.co.uk/The%20Illuminati.htm
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Real0ne, I think I've told you before that I actually kinda like you, and believe that you aren't far wrong on your basic belief that the amount of freedoms and liberties that we enjoy is being eroded away, and I'd like to turn that around.
But your concepts are marred with an unreasonable sense of conspiracy, rather than a more accurate understanding of human nature, history and organizations.
You see, the issue is that you are "fighting" something that you have mis-identified. Therefore, your fight won't, and can't be as effective as it could be, and should be. You are wasting time, energy and good-will on a chimera, a ghost, a phantom that will always frustrate you, and cause you to drop deeper and deeper into despair and anger.
The end result will be that your spirit will be crushed, and you'll either turn away from society in disgust, or turn to radical means and methods, and cause an even greater loss of freedoms and liberties than we already have.
I'm not naive my friend. I just prefer my missiles to hit dead center and have an effect, rather than bounce off the ozone and give a good light show and be entertainment for the masses.
FirmKY
there are a few quotes for you.
Frankly how much you like or dislike me is entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
First you say this:
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Well, I waded through both of your articles with hip deep rubber boots, and I must say, they are both great examples of emotional propaganda as I've ever seen.
Built on half-truths, lies, and an occasional fact to give it a semblence of credibility, along with large doses of hyperbole and exaggerations, it is designed to bypass a persons rational mind, and get their fear and anxiety churning.
Fear mongering in other words, for those who don't really keep up in detail with current events, don't have a very good grasp of history, politics or current events.
Insulting, at the least.
I'm really quiet disappointed, Lotus, if these really reflect your beliefs.
FirmKY
Then you turn right around and say that i am "not far wrong".
That is classic "double-speak" in this simplest form! i dont mean to get down on you man but when people post things like this it it causes my brain to go into a void. (and i do not like voids)
The problem with double-speak/think/do/ new-speak is that people do it and are never the wiser unless a mean guy like me stands up and says something.
You believe i have mis-identified the target, and to the contrary it is you who mis-identified the target. again i am not being derogatory here. The point is you cannot just shut certain data off because your mind does not like what it hears or cannot accept it and come out with correct answers.
You cannot take actual events recorded and pretend they do not exist(national archive records on bush), (likewise the well documented history of the illumnati), and just wipe them out from historical record "without" preaching revisionist history. sorry.
You do not understand me at all. My spirit will never be crushed! i have 50 years of life so far where people have "always" shook their heads in disbelief of the things i have done.(that i was told was impossible or that cannot be done) Like with the fusion thread, (ordered more parts today). It will happen! period! regardless of skeptics. (they can continue burning gas for all i give a rip). its my life always has been always will be.
Oh and i got a bunch of parts in today for my "on demand hydrogen" generator that will draw roughly 25 horsepower to produce 210hp from my engine.
As far as your missles are concerned think of it like this. Granted we have to start somewhere so i will give you that, however if you do not pull a weed out by its roots it never goes away. i talk about the roots i do not care if people shun it, they will soon be sorry they did not as that noose keeps tightening around their necks. i am preparing myself to keep those problems as far away from me as possible and i hate to see people enslaved but from the response on this "one" particular site i feel they deserve it. Those who do not know who they are.
you shold know there is 2 versions of history the sanitized version and the cause and effect "real" version, and if you did not i just told you. Because you fail to see it as a conspiracy hardly impies there is not one, in fact several right under your nose.
i would rather be laughed at and be correct than popular and incorrect. If i wanted popular i could be a politician.
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