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RE: The Core Problem in the USA - 5/5/2007 5:47:35 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Thats just weak sinergy, I guess you did not grasp the distinction in my comment.  If the Company messes up they should be liable, if you screw up they shouldn't. 



How was it weak?

Who exactly was at fault for the Exxon Valdez?  The Inuit?  Please provide links to prove that Exxon was there with their checkbook in hand. From what I read last week in Discover, dig 6 inches down in the dirt and there is still oil there.

My point is who is going to sue Sam's Club to prove liability if they will be snowed under and forced to give up trying the case?

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Why are you trying to combine Osha regulations and the legal system is beyond me.  They are seperate. 



OSHA regulations came about because of the legal system, luckydog1, not vice versa.

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RE: The Core Problem in the USA - 5/5/2007 8:41:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

The effects of the legal "industry" impact every aspect of our lives. The legal industry directly impacts all R&D, not just where its obvious such as in the drug industry, but every product. It has destroyed entire industries, such as the private plane manufacturing. The legal industry impacts those who can afford it least. "Basic Transportation" for a college student used to mean buying a $500 car from a friend and making enough to afford the gas and oil. Now it requires almost a full time job to afford the insurance. In some markets mandatory liability for a male driver under 25 begins at $2,500.00/six months; minimum coverage. A direct result of the litigation industry.

The health industry is the worst example.


Attorneys join the BAR Association, (which is a title of nobility), and they would have been banned from office but the somehow the capitol building got burned down during the war and the 13th amendment disappeared.  At least this version of it did.


Results 1 - 10 of about 810,000 for missing 13th amendment.

The book, published under authority of the War Department in 1825, proves that the original 13th Amendment that prohibits Americans from holding Titles of Nobility, was part of the Constitution until it was mysteriously replaced with a new 13th Amendment that banned slavery after the Civil War. “When we found this book last September we knew that we had found that the original 13th Amendment was part of the Constitution as of 1825,”
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/13th-Amendment.html

This Article of Amendment added an enforceable strict penalty, i.e., inability to hold office and loss of citizenship, for violations of the already existing constitutional prohibition in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 on titles of nobility and other conflicts of citizenship interest, such as accepting emoluments of any kind for services or favors rendered or to be rendered, and is particularly applicable today in the 21st Century as government is increasingly FOR SALE to the highest bidder, as foreign and multinational corporations and individuals compete to line the pockets of politicians and political parties to accommodate and purchase protection or privilege, i.e. honors, for their special interests.

http://www.amendment-13.org/


Their survival at stake, the monarchies sought to destroy or subvert the American system of government. Knowing they couldn't destroy us militarily, they resorted to more covert methods of political subversion, employing spies and secret agents skilled in bribery and legal deception -- it was, perhaps, the first "cold war". Since governments run on money, politicians run for money, and money is the usual enticement to commit treason, much of the monarchy's counter- revolutionary efforts emanated from English banks.
http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/E/thirteen/thirt03.htm


See http://www.thirdamendment.com/nobility.html for more info on the "missing 13th amendment".  "Extremist" is their choice of words, not mine.

btw RealOne, I'm not using an armchair, I'm using a couch.
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RE: The Core Problem in the USA - 5/5/2007 9:31:26 PM   
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sinergy you might want to check the basic facts here.  The Inuit live no where near PWS, that is Athabaskan land.  You can't really clean up an oil spill, and yes there is lots of oil there still, but Exxon did throw cash around at the time.  Under the current system thousands of fishermen have not been paid the money they actually won, because Exxon is keeping it tied up in court.  That is under the Status Quo you are defending.

OSHA regulations came about as a result of the poltical proces, not the legal system.  You are deeply confused.  My point is that no should be able to sue sams club( I noticed you switched from wallmart in your discussion) for something that is not thier fault in any way.  And if you try you should have to pay them.

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RE: The Core Problem in the USA - 5/5/2007 9:48:31 PM   
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Merc....

What we really need here is for Misstoyou, Cloudboy and Pink Pleasures to dish up their opinions here - They're all Lawyers


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RE: The Core Problem in the USA - 5/6/2007 8:30:30 AM   
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Merc....

What we really need here is for Misstoyou, Cloudboy and Pink Pleasures to dish up their opinions here - They're all Lawyers
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UR,
I'm telling the truth when I give the old disclaimer against prejudice; "...some of my best friends are Lawyers."

Hell, if I wasn't so impatient to get out of college after completing undergraduate studies; there but for the grace of god - go I. Practicing law is no longer a "noble" practice. Any poll of the association of integrity with a career ranks lawyers near used car salesman. After spending so much money on the pursuit of the law degree this can't be discounted. The volume of Lawyer graduating law school feeds the process. Their advertising is everywhere. A child gets injured on a neighbors swing and the first call may be to a doctor. The second will be to a lawyer whose number they can see advertised on a bus stop bench.

Their position is closer to mine than you would think. Law, especially civil law, has been bastardized by the current system practiced in the US. In whatever system in place there will be exceptional abuses. In this system the abuse is always one sided. The Wendy's thumb case may have ended with the person perpetrating the scheme arrested, but how much money and reputation was lost by Wendy's? Sure Wendy's is a big, heartless, corporation worthy for some to fear and be paranoid; but behind the corporate facade is an individual who paid big money to buy the franchise. Employees were laid off. A reputation was damaged. And there is little or no recourse. Anyone who defines this as justice is blinded by a prejudice, or perhaps jealousy, they are afraid to admit to themselves.

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