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UglyFatMaster -> Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 12:02:42 PM)
I know this has probably been brought up before but after a cursory look, I 've decided to bring it up again. Having been around awhile, I wonder if it's just semantics or is there actually some lines drawn somewhere? How is a Master different than a Dom? How is a slave different than a sub? I know what my answer is but apparently, I must be a bit off. To me, a Master/slave relationship is 24/7 and a Dom/sub is once in a while. Of course, each has its own rules. But I want to see how others define the differences.

MagiksSlave -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 12:09:36 PM)
((looks for LA out Local forum Librarian)) Magik's slave

mstrjx -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 12:15:46 PM)
Either can be 24/7. All 24/7 means is that the dynamic that exists between two (or more) people is relevant at all times of the day and night. If there is a structure that applies for 'apart' time as well as 'together' time, then that would typify 24/7. There is much more argument over sub vs. slave. (I'll let Dom(me)/Master/Mistress just be the antithesis for simplicity sake.) My one-word difference is usually 'surrender', but to make it slightly lengthier and clearer, I would say this: a slave is a person who has allowed all reasonable authority and decision-making to be made by another. A submissive still maintains a certain level of autonomy, in areas that either they do not wish to give up authority or in areas that the dominant does not WISH that level of authority. It takes two to tango, after all. Jeff

starshineowned -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 12:16:50 PM)
Greetings..~smiles~ Due to the fact that there is no longer law allowable slavery, no ruling body inwhich to set laws regarding slavery..the use of Master or slave will and can only be a personal opinion of what is needed for you to accept it. Purely subjective across the board with no definitive answer. Master has his views of what makes a Master or a slave that he accepts, and would recognize/acknowlege as such..as does this girl, which is very compatible to Masters. That is pretty much about as far as it will ever go unless slavery becomes an acceptable legal status again. Your thoughts of what makes what will resonate with some, and others it may not even come close. Such is the nature of a untamed beast. Well Wishes starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

SUBMasterToleran -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 12:17:33 PM)
A Master wheres many hats, so to speake He understands and mastered many forms of Bdsm and is usually stronger then other men in a sub/slave's life that he shows interest. He must be a daddy, lover, mentor. Dominate is that needs to be incontrol but don't truly understand all aspects of the lifestyle once He reaches level of knowledge in all aspects of the lifestyle then He would be called MASTER. A slave tottall surrenders to her Master in all descions never discussed between Master and slave. A submissive is surrender with the knowledge that the discions made by her Master are made through discussion between Master and submissive.

littleone35 -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 12:27:37 PM)
I would disagree with the Op I am a sub and i belong to Master 24/7. To me and this is only my opnion an Dom is someone who is interested in play and a Master is someone who is interested in owning and taking care of his sub/slave. As in the same old sub vs slave to me is this a slave give up all control to the one who owns her and a sub retains some control over her life. Matt's littleone

OsideGirl -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 12:32:54 PM)
Well, since I believe that "consentual slavery" is an oxymoron, I consider myself a submissive. I'm 24/7, owned and collared to man I call Master. I use Master not in the sense of "Slave Master" but in the sense that a karate student calls his teacher "Sensei". He is my leader and teacher.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 12:33:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UglyFatMaster I know this has probably been brought up before but after a cursory look, I 've decided to bring it up again. Having been around awhile, I wonder if it's just semantics or is there actually some lines drawn somewhere? How is a Master different than a Dom? How is a slave different than a sub? I know what my answer is but apparently, I must be a bit off. To me, a Master/slave relationship is 24/7 and a Dom/sub is once in a while. Of course, each has its own rules. But I want to see how others define the differences. Many ds relationships are live in 24/7. Everyone draws the line somewhere. But everyone draws it differently from everyone else. http://www.collarchat.com/m_605383/mpage_1/key_master%252Cdom/tm.htm#606932 Ms vs Ds http://www.collarchat.com/m_794045/mpage_2/key_kinky/tm.htm#794460 Ds vs bdsm http://www.collarchat.com/m_486719/mpage_1/key_master%252Cdom/tm.htm#486891 from dom to master http://www.collarchat.com/m_271859/mpage_2/key_master%252Cdom/tm.htm#272880 dom or master Master vs Dom http://www.collarchat.com/m_629559/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cslave/tm.htm#629565 What's the difference between a slave and a submissive? http://www.collarchat.com/m_616573/mpage_1/key_bdsm/tm.htm#616591 Ds as bdsm http://www.collarchat.com/m_586226/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#586267 Curious, sub v slave? http://www.collarchat.com/m_515303/mpage_1/key_slave/tm.htm#515333 What is the difference? http://www.collarchat.com/m_308296/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#309867 sub or slave? http://www.collarchat.com/m_342405/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#342794 ~slave vs sub~ http://www.collarchat.com/m_410567/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#410982 slave or sub http://www.collarchat.com/m_497775/mpage_1/key_submissive%252Cslave/tm.htm#497977 I'm new to this but... http://www.collarchat.com/m_366860/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#366893 Difference bet/submission and slave? http://www.collarchat.com/m_365776/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cslave/tm.htm#366767 slub question http://www.collarchat.com/m_281198/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#281512 difference between slave and submissive http://www.collarchat.com/m_251014/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cslave/tm.htm#251062 definition of "slave" What's the difference between slaves and submissives? Submissive or slave? Slaves versus submissive Submissive or slave? (2) Submissive vs slave (2)

phoenixinchains -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 12:37:45 PM)
to be "dominate" is to be the strongest force present, as in; "a dominate gene". to be a Dom/me is a long journey of self-relazation and learning the associated skills as the individual sees proper. to be a master is to have gained a skill to excellent results. to be a Master, is a title that might be given in a relationship. to be submissive is to curb your will to that of another's will. to be a submissive can be a one time decision, or a frequent practise, or a way of life. to be a slave is the complete absence of power over another force (or person) as in, an addiction. Phoenix

jaxbeachgirl -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 12:42:10 PM)
Semantics, doesn't matter at all, just make sure everybody involved understands the terms. :)

briska -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 4:25:25 PM)
I define myself as a submissive. To me, I have work (did have three jobs, in a week will only have one), school, and a social network outside of my Sir. I still serve Him, but I also do my own thang, on the side, which he allows and even pushes for the "just in case" end that no one ever likes to look out for (the "just in case something happens to me/us" - i have a job, network to fall back on, etc). A slave, however, I would define (besides the "self-defining" argument) as being someone who Only Lives For Her Master, or atleast feels this way. She does As He Tells Her (sorry, i'm totally sexually bias!), and nothing else. I also see D/s "slavery" as more extreme than "submissiveness". As a submissive, I have room to negotiate and get less menial tasks (unless punished) like "scrub the toilet with your tongue" for a slave, and maybe, a toothbrush for a submissive. Of course, this is what I get for reading the likes of kaya_s on livejournal ;)

spanklette -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 4:52:58 PM)
As long as your answers make sense to you and you're not trying to puch them on anyone else...I wouldn't worry about "definitions". Personally, I've seen definitions that have made me cringe and others that have made me think...but none have actually defined me. Here's some food for thought. I am a submissive living the lifestyle 24/7 with a Daddy Dom. There are others who would define me as a slave and Him as my Master, given our dynamic within our lives. But in the end, it doesn't matter what others define us as...we're happy being who we are to each other, and the definitions just fall into the background. Having some common definitions would be nice, but no one would agree, since everyone's experience is different and there are many who feel they must one-up the person next to them. The person that I identify most with on these boards identifies as a slave...I would venture to guess that our service is very similar, although the climates are somewhat different. But she doesn't want to call her Master "Daddy" and I don't want to call my Daddy "Master". It's merely perspective.

hisannabelle -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 5:11:27 PM)
greetings uglyfatmaster, i personally use the terms interchangeably. He used to refer to me as His submissive, but i have identified as a slave for a long time; i brought up the term "slave" the other day, and now He uses them interchangeably as well. honestly, all it means to us is that i give up all of myself to His ownership and His limits, and don't retain anything of mine. doesn't matter what you call it in my opinion. i try not to presume about other people's dynamics based on what they call themselves, other than the simple notion of a slave/sub being someone who relinquishes authority to any extent and a dom/master being someone who takes authority to any extent. beyond that, i try not to presume about what level that authority's taken to simply because one calls themself a slave or a sub. i know our way of defining the terms probably won't work for most everyone else, so i try to keep that in mind. annabelle.

IrishMist -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 5:44:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UglyFatMaster I know this has probably been brought up before but after a cursory look, I 've decided to bring it up again. Having been around awhile, I wonder if it's just semantics or is there actually some lines drawn somewhere? How is a Master different than a Dom? How is a slave different than a sub? I know what my answer is but apparently, I must be a bit off. To me, a Master/slave relationship is 24/7 and a Dom/sub is once in a while. Of course, each has its own rules. But I want to see how others define the differences. the difference lies only in the people who use the words [:)]

sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 6:18:04 PM)
First thing is to realize not everyone has the same defintion and thats ok. Everyone has developed their own that works for them. They are all labels that we put on ourselves.

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 7:29:11 PM)
Daddy is Dom and as His daughter, i'm submissive. we're not a "once in a while" type of couple ...we're a lifetime committment type of D/s couple. i think you're making general assumptions by associating one thing for one and another thing for other without understanding the dynamics of each individual BDSM relationship. each relationship is different for example i've been in prior M/s relationships which were "once in a while".

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 7:33:50 PM)
Angel and I are Owner/slave. We are not 24/7 becasue we cannot be. I am Owner and Mommy, but I dislike the Mistress title. They are all just terms, whatever we want to call ourselves and whatever we tell our pets to call us is what we are. As my mentor once said to a sub of hers that was enjoying playing semantics one evening "If I told you to call me a pumpkin, thats what youd call me. I am to you whatever I choose to be, and if that doesnt work for you, then I'd rather you not call me at all." He got the hint, quickly. DV

Ericus1 -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 8:02:49 PM)
For the most part, i think of the terms are interchangable. Everyone creates their own little differences in them. For me, being called "slave" as my name by my Mistress was always one of the greatest compliments She could give me. She called me "slave" about 75-80% of the time, even in public. For us, it was just natural. She was "Mistress", i was "slave." I would never trade that for anything. One day, i will be in that position again, i hope. ericus

UglyFatMaster -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/3/2007 9:08:20 PM)
Well answered, one and all. I too believe it is the labels we give ourselves which help us to define ourselves to others. I am not into the SM part of the BDSM at all. Slavery to me is just that, it is my slave to use as I see fit. A sub, on the other hand and in my experience, seems to be more after the "relationship" aspect of it all. As for Masters being those who have attained a certain level of proficiency, who decides when that level is attained? It is my opinion that when the slave submits itself and calls one Master, then to that slave one has achieved that certain level. (Wow, that's scary when you think about it...) Thank you all for your posts.

IrishMist -> RE: Differences - Master/Dom and slave/sub (5/4/2007 12:23:38 AM)
quote: Slavery to me is just that, it is my slave to use as I see fit. A sub, on the other hand and in my experience, seems to be more after the "relationship" aspect of it all. I am curious as to how you came to this understanding? Not trying to start a flame; actually curious.

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