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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 11:13:18 AM   
MemphisDsCouple


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ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

The benefits of slave ownership sure have been spelled out and understood. What is in it for the slave? Why would I want to go from 'subfreedom' to slave?


You covered that yourself. You described yourself as submissive. If you were happy with the men who have been in your life, and the relationships you had, you wouldn't be here the way you are here, asking the questions you are asking. I think it would be better if you tell me. What is in it for the slave?

quote:

ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

I am an accomplished business woman. Does that present a problem..working outside the home?


Old habits surely do die hard.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MemphisDsCouple

So make up your mind what is important to you. The man you will respect is unlikely to allow you to continually "argue" as you put it. He'll be gone. The man you will respect will expect some harmony in his home and in his relationship. He will expect to be your first priority. He will expect teamwork and focus. He will expect a singularity of purpose shared by you both. Surely you know another old saying, "too many cooks spoil the stew". The man you will respect will know that steering a course for a family unit is best done with one hand on he tiller - His.

So make up your mind what you want in your life. Decide where your priorities lie. 'Cause you surely can't have your cake and eat it too.


Personally, it sounds to me like you have a good heart and a good head. That's my first impression.

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 11:30:56 AM   
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Thanks.. I do have a HUGE heart and mind. The cerebral part of me overshadows my submissive nature, however. The domininating men I have known are in my family and therefore TURNED me off to being submissive. I had to be 'bold' to be heard as a kid bc of older brothers and a Dad who favored boys.

I have not had a truely submissive relationship and feared being a slave until 2day. I am uncertain where you ascertained that I have had fulfilling d/s relationships and I am sorry you misread. I seek an alpha male who is a faster thinker than I am and who deserves my respect.

I am taking baby steps here and appreciate cutting to my 'issues' and lack of knowledge. I may / not agree with your opinions but I love broadening my exposure to people who think differently than I do.

Do you believe women should not work?? In my limited experience men who want 'domesticated' women are fearful the woman may change with the professional exposure. I only seek a fluid, relationship, not a stagnant one dominated by someone afraid of challenges.

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 11:45:39 AM   
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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 12:58:40 PM   
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I agree with the person who said that it's like trying to explain the color red. If you have to have the benefits explained to you, it's probably not for you. From reading your posts, I have the feeling that it might be right for you after all, and you just haven't found the person who makes you feel that way. If that's the case, keep waiting. It's not something you can construct or edge towards. One day you might meet someone who takes everything away, and you'll want nothing more than for that person to own you. Until then, you're not owned.

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 1:04:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

Do you believe women should not work??


How can you jump all the way to "women should not work" from defining/knowing in your life what priority comes first?

Never one to dodge a straightforward question:

No. I do not believe that "women should not work".

(But I note you did not address my question.)

Anyway:

From a personal perspective, I see a career as just another "interest". It could be a passion for music or painting as far as I'm concerned, rather than a career. I think no reasonable man will expect his girl to focus on him 60x60x24x365. I spoke to ordering one's priorities in one's life. Only by doing so will any of us be able to focus on (and succeed at) that top priority.

Continuing:

It used to be the norm that the man's career was a major priority for both him and his wife. However, that was in times past and we must put it in perspective to be able to understand it. Some things to consider in order to keep that historical fact/concept in perspective:

1. In times past "earning a living" was often a much more difficult thing than it is today. Our grandparents, great grandparents, or parents in some cases, came out of the Depression and WWII eras. Subsistence was a big thing in those times. So, the values that carried over into the 50's - the 90's were highly influenced by those preceding hard times.

2. As a result, many families made it a priority to, as a team, together, as a family unit and with a coordinated and concerted effort - they made it a priority to pursue the man's career. This was a conscious decision families made together. The goal was physical, financial security for the family. Not just some ego trip for the man. The generations that followed saw the flaws in this approach to life and relationships. One flaw was the life-long focus on earning money. Many families earned it and never enjoyed it. In many cases personal happiness was sacrificed on the altar of success.

Another flaw we later generations saw in the total focus on the man's career was the sexual discrimination that was, not surprisingly, nourished by the male career focus of those times. As is so often the case, the pendulum of societal thought and values swung back the other way. Now, we have laws with teeth barring gender discrimination. Employers of all sorts practice affirmative action. Women are hired when a man may be more qualified. Is it a perfect world? No. Are women still the victims of discrimination? Yes. Are men the victims of sexual discrimination? Yes. Shrug.

3. Left over from what we have been through as a society, are some teachings that are particularly damaging to the individuals in society. Damaging to us, as individuals seeking happiness and fulfillment. For example: As the pendulum swung, women have been taught that they are worthless if they identify with their husbands' careers. The term "housewife" has become a pejorative. Many housewives, rather than say they are a housewife will say they are something else, an artist, a writer, a student, and so on. Or, they will retain their title from their prehousewife days and continue to call themselves an accountant or bookkeeper or attorney or real estate sales person or whatever. Unfortunately, women's lib has succeeded in selling the theory that a woman must have a self sustaining, independent career to have any value as a person. It seems to me I hear this, or at least echoes of this in your writing. Of this is the case it is unfortunate, for I think it will not make you happy.

At the same time, as I find to be true almost universally, you seem to find needs within yourself that only a man of strengh, leadership and (as you have put it) dominant character can fulfill. It seems clear and even elemental to me that if a woman needs that kind of man to be happy, and she also follows the women's lib teachings and tries to identify herself primarily by her own career accomplishments...... something's gotta give. My observations teach me that what almost always gives is the relationship. The man doesn't need it. And he'll move on. Leave her to her career if it's that important to her. If her primary focus is elsewhere, she's not the woman for him anyway. This is not to say you can not have a career and still have a happy, successful, exciting, fulfilling d/s life/relationship. What I'm saying is:

Soooooooo...... in the end......... what it comes back to........... is.........


quote:

ORIGINAL: MemphisDsCouple

So make up your mind what you want in your life. Decide where your priorities lie. 'Cause you surely can't have your cake and eat it too.


Postscript:

You are welcome to print or save this post for your own use. Please do not copy it to any public or semi-public forum (including email groups/lists) without my express permission. Thanks. All rights reserved. (I write this postscript because after-the-fact someone wrote to me to inform me that they had copied a prior post I wrote to another list. So, I thought I'd better clarify what my preference/policy is regarding use of what I write.)

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 1:54:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MemphisDsCouple


quote:

ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

Do you believe women should not work??


How can you jump all the way to "women should not work" from defining/knowing in your life what priority comes first?

Never one to dodge a straightforward question:

No. I do not believe that "women should not work".



Your statement in response to her statement "I am an accomplished business woman. Does that present a problem..working outside the home?" ("Old habits surely do die hard") would have (and I guess it is now) elicited the same response from me.

I have a career, as a musician. Yes, it is also my passion, but it also pays my bills. Whether my Master could provide for both of us or not if I chose to give that up is a moot point. I would never give it up, and he would not be so callous or uncaring as to even think about asking me to give it up. If I am not working I am miserable. Playing in the house for my Master is not the same as being out making music (plying my career) with others.

Please explain your comment about old habits dying hard. I guess I will see it when I get home from my rehearsal this evening.

cello

PS My mother was the major breadwinner when I was growing up. She had a major career as a well-known concert pianist. If it weren't for her we would not have had the nice house and the upbringing we did. Not to diss my father, but he did not have the role of breadwinner. My mother has been a source of inspiration to me in more ways than I can mention.

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 2:07:34 PM   
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quote:

quote:ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

Do you believe women should not work??

How can you jump all the way to "women should not work" from defining/knowing in your life what priority comes first?

Never one to dodge a straightforward question:

No. I do not believe that "women should not work".


Okay, I'll take the other position.

No, I don't believe that MY woman, MY slave should "work". Please note: MY.

Not that I think a stay at home woman doesn't "work". The easier question to answer is "should a slave serve more than one Master?" Do Masters want that? For economic reasons some have to put up with it. Others allow it because of a pre-determined agreement. I'm sure that others just don't care. I do. In my case, the answer is NO - I do not want my slave serving another Master. Not a person, not a job. And yes, it was part of our pre-commitment discussion.

Recently I had a very proud moment with beth. We were out socially for business, with another (vanilla) couple. This being LA, beth got the inevitable question from the other woman; "So, what do you do?" beth's answer was priceless. Pointing to me she said; "i make him happy." WOW! The guy almost fell off the chair and said to his wife, "Why can't you answer that way!?"

Is it "work" to be a slave in general, or my slave in particular. Maybe, but I think in beth's case there is some truth in this:

Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life.
Confucius

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 2:56:09 PM   
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cello, now that you are home from your rehearsal..... See below:


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I do not want my slave serving another Master. Not a person, not a job.


I think Merc said it succinctly. Much more succinctly than I.

I don't think a person *can* serve two masters. I know there is a poster here who is owned by two men. It sounds like it works for them. There is an exception to every rule, and never say "never". Rare exceptions aside, I don't think a person *can* serve two masters. I think a lot of "you can have it all, baby" women try to do that in their lives.

That was the whole point of what I've been repeating:

quote:

ORIGINAL: MemphisDsCouple

So make up your mind what you want in your life. Decide where your priorities lie. 'Cause you surely can't have your cake and eat it too.


(But Merc said it far better than I did.)

I don't think a person can have two top priorities. There will inevitably be a conflict. Unlike Merc, I don't draw any lines at any particular interests, including a career. But like Merc, I think there can only be one master.

Keep reading, cello:

quote:

ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

My jaw drops more with each response. I have not heard much I do not agree with. You are absolutely correct re: RESPECT. I demand a lot of myself (self respect) and I need someone who is like-minded and possesses good judgement.

You are also right that I have been able to push my agendas through w/ unrelenting effort (bitching?). There can only be one ALPHA , eh? Geez why didn't someone tell me? :)

For the record...I do bathe daily. Shaving, well..that is another story. ;)


And then immediately after that:

quote:

ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

I am an accomplished business woman. Does that present a problem..working outside the home?


I read the second post as continuing to "push the agenda" of being allowed to (trying to) serve two masters. To which, I reply:

quote:

ORIGINAL: MemphisDsCouple

Old habits surely do die hard.



So when I read:

quote:

ORIGINAL: cellogrrlMK

Please explain your comment about old habits dying hard.
cello


I wonder if cello read the same thread I did. One needs to read *all* the posts - in the order in which they are written to understand the later posts.


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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 4:34:30 PM   
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Sounds good, but I assume you know that Confucius never said any such thing.

Lam

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life.
Confucius

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 4:38:35 PM   
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quote:

Sounds good, but I assume you know that Confucius never said any such thing.

Lam


Not to me personally.

Anyway, here's the source - take it up with them....

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/confucius.html

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 5:53:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Sounds good, but I assume you know that Confucius never said any such thing.

Bartleby/The Columbia World of Quotations seems to disagree.

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 6:56:43 PM   
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I have much more insight and I really do appreaciate all the responses. I will find the man who's shadow I want to stand in and the rest will fall in line, *I HOPE*

What I wonder now is does this site fuel 'the correct' way to live a d/s life? I mean if the masters have it so figured out, why spend time here?
I am an admitted novice, what is your excuse for being online? Shouldn't you hunting or beating your chest somewhere? Why do you care what another, competitive dom is doing?

Is the only way the dominant species can survive is to prey on the inexperienced? <<wink>> Are you so authentically superior that it is your duty to help us confused wenches?

This is meant to make you smile and think...not offend . :)

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 7:14:57 PM   
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Sorry, but it's wrong. The surviving quotes of Confucius are collected in a book called The Analects. You can find a decent translation here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0872206351/

Check it out. You won't find a quote anything like it.

Lam

P.S. And don't believe everything you see on the internet.

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ORIGINAL: sfgrrl

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Sounds good, but I assume you know that Confucius never said any such thing.

Bartleby/The Columbia World of Quotations seems to disagree.

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 8:29:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: Focus50
Every sub I've known actually manages her own affairs perfectly well but only as a necessity rather than desire.

Ha where do you live that has such great subs?

From my experience, subs are like anyone else, some are very good at managing their lives and some are just awful and totally screwed up.

Same with doms of course.

I am expected to manage my affairs very independently in relationship with the Owner, he doesn't want to be bothered with mundane things that I should be able to do on my own.
I don't think it has anything to do with being "such great subs".... It means they have life's other essentials and necessities under control - their world does not fall apart just because they may not have a Dom to take charge of it for them at any given time. It's not really a badge of honour but certainly none are "totally screwed up" or dysfunctional, either!

I also expect my girl to be able to function independently when I'm not there. I'm not into micro-management so the tool I give her is to reinforce in her that when I'm not there, she's the next in command in our relationship. She's earned enough of my trust and respect for me to respect her own judgement and intelligence to make decisions herself - even if she does the human thing and occasionally screws up. But hell, I've occasionally done that, too!

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 10:32:49 PM   
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B., what works for some does not work for others. My Master takes pleasure in attending my concerts and seeing/hearing me play. For me it has nothing to do with serving two Masters. I don't believe he would want me home all the time, but that is up to him to say, not me.

My having a career AND being his wife/slave is not having my cake and eating it too. There are no conflicts with my service to him and my serving my Muse (to be poetic about it lol). They work together in harmony with each other, pardon the pun!

I have read all the posts on this thread, in order. Being patronizing and being smug isn't very becoming to a Dom. There are no rights or wrongs in how different people choose to live this lifestyle. I've learned that from many of the fine people who post on these boards. What works for you and what works for Mercnbeth may not be the same as what works for others. That doesn't make you right and them wrong, or vice versa.

SmilinFSub is new to all this and is trying to see if she has a place somewhere in the lifestyle. What she decides to do or how she decides to live her life is her decision, and the most important thing (to me anyway) is that she remain true to her convictions, whatever they may be. Otherwise she won't be able to be true to anyone else.

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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 10:59:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

I guess my duplicitous beliefs are this: Whore in bdroom, lady in livingroom, cook in kitchen and breadwinner........ I better run before I am stoned when I admit that a man should help with housework?


Ever thought that perhaps you're really a Dominant with masochistic tendencies? They DO exist! So, after he cleans the house, he can come tie you up for great sex.

Fire


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RE: Owned? - 5/6/2005 10:59:56 PM   
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Priorities are a matter of perspective I suppose. I like to converse with my mate on matters of importance to her. She happens to be a very good musician and I think I’m directing her towards her fullest potential. She’d be rather boring, I think, if the only thing we had to talk about is how clean she got the house each day. On the other hand I love the conversations we have about religion, art, politics and other world matters.

Now I may be wrong but the way I Dom is to build on the strengths of my sub. The stronger she is in her specialization, the greater the submission when she puts it aside to focus on me. I believe that by supporting her and making it possible to be the best that she can be, the more she loves me as the man in her life whose little bit of control has made her life better in all she does.

What woman doesn’t want to feel special? She feels that way because not only because I say she’s my good girl but also because I tell her that she’s a great cellist and deserves more recognition for the work she does.

The result, she is happier with herself, she expresses a greater love for me, and her desire to please me grows stronger everyday.

Now I’ll grant you there are some that may wish to be kept in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant, (metaphorically speaking) and that’s great for them. It sure wouldn’t work for me.









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RE: Owned? - 5/7/2005 7:23:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

I have much more insight and I really do appreaciate all the responses. I will find the man who's shadow I want to stand in and the rest will fall in line, *I HOPE*

What I wonder now is does this site fuel 'the correct' way to live a d/s life? I mean if the masters have it so figured out, why spend time here?
I am an admitted novice, what is your excuse for being online? Shouldn't you hunting or beating your chest somewhere? Why do you care what another, competitive dom is doing?

Is the only way the dominant species can survive is to prey on the inexperienced? <<wink>> Are you so authentically superior that it is your duty to help us confused wenches?

This is meant to make you smile and think...not offend . :)



It does make me (for one) smile.

LOLOLOL I make no "excuses". I'm just killin' time. LMAO Noooooooo.... (for those readers who are overly literally minded). That was a joke. Why am I ('course I can't speak for others) here?........

I play a little music too. I play a little (big emphasis on "little") guitar, bass, conga, harmonica, mandolin (and anything else I can get my hands on that makes a noise I like. (If everyone within hearing will cover their ears I sing a little too.) Depending on whether I like a song, I might play something from just about any genre. (Blues (hey I'm in Memphis!), country, classical, rock, pop, alternative, bluegrass, reggae (and I'm sure I'm leaving something(s) out)). My music making is amateurish. Compared to cello, I'm sure my efforts are primitive at best. (That would probably be a very kind and magnanimous description.) But, as in anything we do (and especially in things we do well) there often comes a time when we want to be heard. After we've practiced long and hard enough to believe we have something to share, we want to share our song. We want to be heard. That is one reason I'm here. To share. And in the process, I am here to learn. I do not claim to have risen to a level of d/s perfection. Indeed, I fully believe it is not something that can ever be perfected. So, I continually strive to improve. Gawd, that's a fun and fulfilling thing to do (not to mention erotic). So that's one reason I'm here.

Another reason I'm here is to participate in the purpose for which this site was created. The right girl might come along to join me/us. That surely won't happen if I/we stay in a cubbyhole somewhere. One never knows....... My girl doesn't much like the online d/s stuff. (I can understand that. It has some pro's. It has some big con's.) So, she only participates online when I instruct her to do so.

Now to the less pleasant:

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ORIGINAL: cellogrrlMK

B., what works for some does not work for others. My Master takes pleasure in attending my concerts and seeing/hearing me play. For me it has nothing to do with serving two Masters. I don't believe he would want me home all the time, but that is up to him to say, not me.

My having a career AND being his wife/slave is not having my cake and eating it too. There are no conflicts with my service to him and my serving my Muse (to be poetic about it lol). They work together in harmony with each other, pardon the pun!

I have read all the posts on this thread, in order. Being patronizing and being smug isn't very becoming to a Dom. There are no rights or wrongs in how different people choose to live this lifestyle. I've learned that from many of the fine people who post on these boards. What works for you and what works for Mercnbeth may not be the same as what works for others. That doesn't make you right and them wrong, or vice versa.

SmilinFSub is new to all this and is trying to see if she has a place somewhere in the lifestyle. What she decides to do or how she decides to live her life is her decision, and the most important thing (to me anyway) is that she remain true to her convictions, whatever they may be. Otherwise she won't be able to be true to anyone else.

cello


Ok cello. I'm going to continue to be patient.

It was not my intent to be either patronizing or smug when I responded to you. It was my intent to drop a *hint*. A hint that maybe you were off on a tangent that wasn't there. So since the hint didn't work - now I'm saying it clearly.

I already wrote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: MemphisDsCouple

There is an exception to every rule, and never say "never".


If you think your relationship is an exception to the points I'm making in the discussion we're having, or to the conclusions I've arrived at after laying the groundwork via some fairly detailed explanations - fine. I'm happy for you.

If, otoh, you want to (which is what it sounds like to me - at least in part) get into some back-and-forth about women's lib you're going to have to find another person to do that with. I'm not interested.

If, I touched a nerve in your own life and relationship (which is what it sounds like - again, at least in part)..... hey, that is unfortunate. I did not single you out in any way or direct anything I said to you except in response to your innuendo-filled request for a clarification of what I wrote. (I note you picked a one-liner as opposed to discussing the broad topic.) I did not and do not criticize your own relationship.

If, you can not see the (common) sense in the conclusion I propound that we can not serve two masters.... well, I've explained it the best I can. If you want further explanations I'll let someone else take a stab at it. In parting, I will simply refer you to the organizational structure that exists all around us in our lives: In business, in the military, hell even in beaurocracies..... in everything we do we create a chain of command. Hell, even the Catholic church has a pope, and the buck stops there. Our personal relationships and familial structures are no different. We need a chain of command. We need an unequivocal place where the buck stops. Both my observation and experience teaches me that it makes for happy campers.

As far as Smilin is concerned:

She has said she came here to explore, to find new ways of thinking of things and to learn. My take on what she has written is that she wants to rethink things that in her life have failed to lead her to ecstasy. The way I read it, that's why she's here. She has said she is very successful in business. My personal opinion is that one of the major things in her life that has failed her and has been an injustice to her on a personal level (where it has succeeded and been a strength on a business level) is the theories of women's lib about how a woman should assess her own self worth. As I said in an earlier post, I think the philosophical societal pendulum has swung to the opposite extreme from oppression of women to teaching women they are only valuable in terms of their careers. Personally, I find truth in a middle ground.

To say, as you do:


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ORIGINAL: cellogrrlMK

the most important thing (to me anyway) is that she remain true to her convictions, whatever they may be. Otherwise she won't be able to be true to anyone else.

cello


....Is to suggest a continuation of the very status quo she has found unfulfilling. I think, on a personal level, this is a destructive lesson to teach to a quester.

cello, I wish you the best. And with that parting note, I suggest we direct no more posts at each other individually. Rather, I suggest we discuss topics and issues on a much broader level.

And now, to finish in a much more positive way:

quote:

ORIGINAL: SmilinFSub

I have much more insight and I really do appreaciate all the responses. I will find the man who's shadow I want to stand in and the rest will fall in line, *I HOPE*


Hope is good. Hope is even a necessary ingredient. But I don't think it will, all by itself, win the day. I think affirmative action is required to go hand in hand with good hope. Succeeding in relationships is not an easy thing. It is quite possible. But it is not easy.

And finally: There is a bluegrass festival today out in the country not too far from where I live. My girl and I are off to hear some pickin' and do a lot of grinnin'.


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B. (the male half of MemphisDsCouple)

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RE: Owned? - 5/7/2005 8:15:07 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Sorry, but it's wrong. The surviving quotes of Confucius are collected in a book called The Analects. You can find a decent translation here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0872206351/

Check it out. You won't find a quote anything like it.


LAM,
Thanks for the reference. I'll add it to my reference links.

Although my link was 100% internet stef's from Bartleby's is on-line & in print. Associating a person with a particular quote sometimes happens from reputations as much as fact. Great philosophers like Yogi Berra; "I wish I said all the things I'm quoted as saying"; are credited for quotes they never made. Even some of Shakespeare's attributed works are rumored to be written by someone else. I would hate to be back in college writing a thesis with these conflicting reference sources. But whoever said it - I thought is it was appropriate for my point.

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SmilinFSub: What I wonder now is does this site fuel 'the correct' way to live a d/s life? I mean if the masters have it so figured out, why spend time here?
I am an admitted novice, what is your excuse for being online? Shouldn't you hunting or beating your chest somewhere? Why do you care what another, competitive dom is doing?


As the Dom of Mercnbeth, I'm here to learn. For instance on this thread I learned of the conflict of a Confucius quote I like to reference. But my goal it to learn something every day. Sometimes I learn what to avoid, sometimes I learn what to seek. Sometimes I'm hear just for amusement, and sometimes ("evil Merc") is here to vent sarcasm. beth on the other hand, is the main reason we joined this site.

I am her first and only Dom/Master. I wanted her to have other reference points. It's also one of the main reasons we joined and participate in local groups. I felt it important for beth to not just have me and my experience as the sole provider of lifestyle information.

There is no lifestyle Bible. Nor should there be. Think of this site as an artist's palette. Dip your brush into the colors you like and make your own picture.

Is this attributed properly?

quote:

Wherever you go, go with all your heart.
Confucius

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RE: Owned? - 5/7/2005 1:29:06 PM   
Lordandmaster


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No.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Is this attributed properly?

quote:

Wherever you go, go with all your heart.
Confucius



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