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I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 7:22:42 AM

JerseyKrissi72

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First, let me say that I do realize that there are alot of people who suffer from mental and physical disabilities and for those people my heart goes out to you all and I am glad you are able to get medical and financial assistance however, there are too many people sucking off the system....For example, I know someone who claims to be disabled but he/ she can sit on a Greyhound bus for 12 hours straight to visit friends/ family and can shovel a foot or more of snow...real disabled if you ask me....especially when he/ she claims to have back problems

...It is "those" people that make me sick to my stomach...I just recently began working again and I have to walk a mile to and from work and I'm on enough meds to be considered disabled due to my bipolar disorder but honestly, since I have been working again I feel so much better mentally as well as physically

. I just don't think it's fair for so many people sucking off the system because if we could cut down on that we would have more money for those who "really" need the money...Make their asses get out and work like the rest of us..it would be nice to give more money to those who "deserve" it....

Sorry, I felt like venting.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 8:01:18 AM

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People suck off the system for many reasons, not just disability, from the people that are claiming unemployment and still working to the people claiming child benifit for children that no longer live with them

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 8:31:40 AM

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I love it when Judge Judy gets on their case for defrauding the welfare and social security system.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 10:26:22 AM

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There are many people who feel frustrated by the failure of others to act responsibly. The trouble is, inevitably they end up pointing fingers in a variety of directions, and often find themselves, to their surprise, pointed at, too. We all pay for people who drink too much, and miss work or lose jobs. We pay for people who use drugs, and commit crimes to fuel their habits, and leave their children lost in the welfare system. We pay for people who quit high school with no job skills, and wind up in unemployment lines. We pay for people with mental illnesses that could be controlled by medication and/or therapy, but who choose to stop treatment (not talking about those who can't afford it, but those who make a decision to not take it.) We pay for people who repeatedly make poor choices in relationships, then end up in abuse shelters or divorce courts, and for their children, who end up traumatized or in foster care. We pay for women who have children with no other means to support them than welfare. We pay for deadbeat dads, who father the children and provide no other means for them to be raised, other than welfare. We pay for people who smoke, and add a crushing chunk to medical costs with respiratory illnesses and cancer, which also leads to early disability for many. The world would surely be a better place if everyone would use common sense and behave responsibly, but I won't hold my breath waiting for it.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 10:37:04 AM

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I always wondered how you can sue the tobacco industry for health problems and or/ death when YOU CHOSE to smoke!

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 10:40:27 AM

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I like it when Larry the Cable Guy threatens to sue Hustler for giving him carpal tunnel syndrome. *L* I'd LOVE to sit on that jury for the trial.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 10:42:44 AM

JerseyKrissi72

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lol you and me both...how about the person trying to sue McDonalds for making their kid fat

Noone told them to feed their kid at McDonalds all the damn time...my kids are NOT permitted to eat fast food more than once a month.....period.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 11:39:40 AM

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I am disabled. Maybe you should have entitled this thread: "I'm sick of hearing, I live off disability" or "I'm sick of seeing perfectly healthy people get money for being so-called disabled" or "I'm sick of losers who abuse the system." Instead of lumping us altogether. Just as there are many disabled people legitimatily receiving disability because they are unable to work, there are just as many, if not more, people out there who are disabled but don't get a penny from disability. Me, for one. Yes, I am disabled. Lower spine stenosis (stiffening) and no cartilage in my left knee. I can barely walk some days. Going to the supermarket is painful. WalMart... an exercise in torture. The mall? just forget it. Somtimes if I'm having an exacerbation, I can be house-bound for days at a time. But despite all that, and the fact that my doctor keeps *offering* me disability forms, I chose to work... because I *can.* I make my own money, pay my own bills, buy my own luxuries (I'm expensive! hah! lol) and have money left over to spare. The hardest thing for me has beeen to accept assistance... not monetary, but physical.... carrying groceries in or taking trash out. Some days I literally cannot stand long enough to do dishes or cook a meal. The only official concession I make is having a Handicapped hanger for my car. That thing is a lifesaver!!!!! Sometimes coming out of shopping or something, I think I'd just sit down on the pavement and cry if I had to walk through a crowded parking lot to get to my car.

As others have pointed out, there are other abuses out there... unemployment, welfare... even homeless people who *choose* that way, expecting to live on handouts and panhandling. But don't lump everyone together like that in your subject line, because it DOES lump us all together, even though you disclaim in the body of your post. It's hard enough being disabled, and having to deal not just with the pain but with trying to work your life around it so that it works, without having to log on one morning and see that in the list of topics under discussion!

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 11:44:47 AM

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Krissi, you are pointing fingers without knowing. You cannot live the life of the person and therefore you are judging without living it. Greyhound has a setup to help with people with disabilities and those with back pain often take larger doses of pain meds or see their doctors before the trip or may even have to be laid up for a day or two after the trip, to say they are not disabled because of that is inappropriate, and the one shovelling the snow, do you know how much pain they were in afterwards. Why did they shovel it? Did they truly have a choice? Sometimes even the disabled have to make themselved enabled for a brief period of time and suffer the consequences because they have to get someplace for example to the pharmacy for the medications, or to the store for food, and when they have no one that can help them they are the only one they can depend upon.

Additionally, what are all the persons disabilities, do you know them all. They had to go through a medical exam, they had to go through a psychiatric evaluation, and they were before a judge, it was up to the judge to make the determination not you.

Are they defrauding the system? Yes, some are, others have disablilities that you cannot outwardly see and therefore you cannot judge. I will never forget the time a man parked in the handicapped place with plates, and a woman jumped on him for using his wife's car. He ignored her. She called the police about his abuse, it turned out the man had a severe heart condition and the woman was wrong. He ignored her because getting upset with her could have caused a heart attack and by her calling the police he had to be taken to emergency in an ambulance because she caused him more stress than his heart could take.

Yes, Krissi, I am Disabled. I suffer from a non-stop headache, back trouble, leg damage, knee damage, stress disorder, depression, and many more. I also worked for 17 years with my disability. I suffered through the pain, I popped pills, and forced myself to work everyday, but there came a time I had to begin taking new meds, stronger meds and these meds prohibit me from working because there are times I cannot stay awake for more than three hours at a time. I take enough meds that the meds may kill me before anything else does and I have to have my blood checked every three months. My heart is strong and I will not die of a heart attack unless stress induced, but I cannot walk for a quarter of a mile without being in severe pain, but I can sit for hours and endure very minimal pain. The bus trip was nothing and I had help at every transfer point because I had made arrangements in advance for them to help me. If I had had to carry my luggage I would not have been able to do it.

I went because I had not seen my family in three years... I went because I have lived in a nightmare for over 15 years and I had a chance at happiness... and it was wonderful... I suffered some extra pain, but it does not mean I am not disabled.

I shoveled snow because I had no option. My neighbor could not help, he had had quad bypass surgery. I had to get my car off the street before they towed it away, and I had to get to the pharmacy to get my medications and to the store to get food. I did not have the extra money for a cab, because they will not wait here, they do not have meters. So it would have been $20 per pickup, and with the meds and food, I had no choice... I suffered for it though... I could not get out of my chair for two days... and I had to get a prescription for a pain patch for my back.

Krissi, you are not the one that can judge whether someone is disabled or not. Only their doctors and the judges and lawyers can. For you to make such a comment shows either your IGNORANCE or the fact you have been hurt and will not let it go. I am happy, very happy now, but yes I am disabled. Even though I am an author I cannot write more than 3 hours at a time. I pray someday one of my books will hit big and I can get off Disability completely because I do not like it either.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 1:17:09 PM

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Maybe Krissi could have worded the title better to indicate that its the spongers she's talking about - but then again as a title, it attracted attention and did the job.

Where I live, I am surrounded by fit and healthy people. Some in their 20s, some in their 30s and some in their 40s - who have never had a job. There are jobs available - tens of thousands of Poles wouldnt be here if there werent. But its far better to live in a house thats paid for and maintained by the taxpayer to the highest standards, claim unemployment benefits sufficient to drink and smoke more than any worker can afford and if you can pull the wounded soldier routine, to be issued a brand new car and petrol allowance too.

It pleases me no end when every few weeks on the local news, some sponging layabout gets clobbered in the courts for defrauding the benefits system. The last one was particularly gratifying, in that not only did he get gaol, but also had to pay back all he had defrauded with his "bad back" claim (so bad that he was claiming and working full time as a landscaper/gardener), so losing the house he had bought at a fraction of market price from the social benefits system - another wonderful spin off in the UK; you get a house from the social system, live there three years and then get to buy it at bottom dollar.

Meanwhile, there is little if any money to care for the elderly, to assist the voluntary hospice movement or to pay for brilliant new drugs through the NHS. This is the true cost of all these fraudsters and layabouts.
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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 1:22:30 PM

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I'm sure Krissi meant she was sick of "disabled" wannabe's and fakers

I used to work in a physical therapy clinic and it's amazing the number of people who come in so "incapacitated" that they can barely sit up. They slowly limp and hobble to the door, knowing we're watching them. But then they get out the door thinking we're not watching, and they be-bop out to their Trans-am or Corvette (i.e. low to the ground car), and suddenly become all spry and agile as they quickly get in and drive off. They have been carefully coached on what to say by their attornies.

What they don't know is that the medical professionals see right through a lot of it. Their evaluation and medical history questions are specifically geared toward separating those with true problems from those who are just trying to buck the system and get a free handout.

Many times they get caught. Insurance companies now send investigators out with video cameras and follow them around, and catch them doing heavy yard work, car maintenance, water skiing, bowling, etc.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 1:26:56 PM

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Yep Windchymes - thats how they catch them out here too - special investigation teams from the social benefits organisations go out and video them in action. The guy I referred to specifically was seen fit and healthy working the gardens, lifting, squatting down, the lot - when he was meant to be on sticks.

It pisses me off even more, when with anylosing spondylitis I have more right to such benefits than these people, but can and do work, often in pain and unable to move, and have to pay for my meds whilst these spongers get the meds they dont need for free!

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 1:44:48 PM

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You two haven't learned to keep your personal shit off of the message boards?

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 2:19:25 PM

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You two haven't learned to keep your personal shit off of the message boards?

That is another form of disability.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 2:52:46 PM

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Fwiw, a friend of mine used to work for the Social Security Administration handling disability cases. The impression I got from her was that it was actually fairly difficult to qualify for disability.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 6:38:28 PM

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Most people that do Disability Fraud are doing the insurance fraud. They have much fewer loopholes to go through and it is easier to fake.

Social Security Disability is more difficult to get and even if you are successful in getting the insurance disability you are not guaranteed acceptance by SSDI. In fact, you will more than likely be denied at least once.

With SSDI you have to go to not only your doctors but theirs as well. In my case, I was denied the first time. In my appeal when the judge read the medical reports from their own doctors and the results of their tests and studies he could not believe I was denied. That was before he even read my doctors' reports. I was even offered in-home nursing assistance and care but turned it down because I do not feel I am that bad off, or I am too stubborn to let the pain get me to that level.

There are times I fight against the pain and do things I should not do. I hate being disabled. I hate it. I am a young man, and I worked for 17 years with many of the same symptoms I have now, just not to the severity they are now. I forced myself to work. I would not let the pain control me, I still don't like it when it does. Yet, there are times that I have no choice. There are times I cannot move at all for three or four days, there are times when my headaches are so bad I cannot see for a week, and I mean I literally see only black and stars nothing else. There are times my legs hurt so bad that to stand up takes me nearly an hour and is agony, I want to scream with every step, but I bite my tongue and do what I have to do. Some day I stand a good chance of losing my legs.

Now, on top of all of these, an injury to my shoulder has started acting up after years and there are times I cannot even lift my arm at all. The doctor has told me to lift NOTHING with that arm. Not even a can of soda. It is my right arm and I am right handed, yeah right!!!!. Like that is something I can do. When my 18 month old great neice ran to me and jumped into my arms I did the natural thing and lifted her above my head and loved every minute of it. But as I set her down I clenched my shoulder and tears were in my eyes for it felt as if I had torn flesh in there. I still would do it again only two days later, and if I had the chance to do it now, I would. You don't stop living because of pain. Sometimes you endure it, and how can I tell an 18 month that the man she has just met and has come to adore so quickly cannot lift her like she wants to be lifted. I cannot. So I will take the pain and enjoy my moments with her.

Am I disabled? Yes. But I am trying to find a way to get off the system with my writing. I have two books published, am writing my third and fourth, and my dream is to be off the system someday and self supportive again. Until then I have no choice.

Do I occasionally do things I regret later? Yes, I am stubborn and I want to live life, I don't want to give in to the pain. I will do this even after I am off the system. I will still be disabled, I just will not be receiving funds for it then. The fact that I do these things does not change the fact that I pay for it and that I am disabled, it just means that I am stubborn and don't want to give in to the pain.

Many diabetics won't change their diet because they want to enjoy life. Many smokers don't stop smoking because they enjoy it.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 6:42:17 PM

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I have changed my diet because I am diabetic and I do not try to collect disabilty because of it...I take many herbs that lower my blood sugar with little/ no medicine..they have cut my medication down to half a pill a day since I have been working...There was a woman in Atlantic City, New Jersey with no arms or legs who actually answered telephones for a living up/ until she passed away....I don't doubt that there ARE many people who need it...but I see "with my own eyes" many who do not....

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 7:40:41 PM

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To Aileen68 and KatyLied, you are both wrong... I hate this and wish it had stayed off the forums again. You wonder why I revealed it was me she was refering to again, and that is simple. It is because enough people know that I am disabled and that I took a bus trip to see my family and my babygirl to put two and two together and realize that Krissi was not making a general statement. As well as the fact I did not want all those that are disabled to attack Krissi because of her attack on me and not them. No, this was a personal attack against me and in truth it has NOTHING to do with me being disabled.

Krissi, back when I shoveled the snow you were online with me talking about how you wished you could massage the pain away. You knew the pain I went through and yet now you bring this up again. You also know that a bus trip is not difficult on a disabled person because they can receive help at every bus station. So it has little to do with my disability. You are not truly attacking me for that, so be honest with yourself. It is sour grapes.... as it has always been.

You wanted me, but you could not have me. You were closer, you were willing to come travel to me, you were willing to come see me and do anything I wanted but I turned you away. I turned you away for many reasons, and I have been nice in not revealing all of them. I still will not. I could get hard and cold about it, and cruel, but I won't.
The main reason is that you are manipulative and remind me too much of the one I am trying to get out of my life. I will not go from one bad situation into another that is too similar. The very fact that you have manipulated the facts, have changed your opinion, have told the forums one thing and told me something else in emails over and over again tells me this. I do not want someone like that in my life, not even as a friend. I tried to remain your friend, I tried to remain someone that would be there if you needed to talk. You were even hurt the one time I had blocked you, and then I later removed it. Well guess what. After this post I am going to do it again, from here, from Yahoo, from email, from the forums, and from collarme email. I will erase you from my life.

I am happy, I am happier than I have ever been and the woman I have found is my dream in everyway. I could not be happier. We had 16 days of fun and joy. We laughed, we played (not even much lifestyle play, just fun) and we are truly very much in love. I wish you could have been happy for me like you said you were, but I should have known that was just another of your manipulations of the truth.

You have started threads that were personal attacks at me that were disguised as general rants and when I responded as is my right to defend myself I am the Monster and you are the victim. Well, sweetie, this time I did nothing but be happy and you attacked me for being handicapped.

You say you have seen with your own eyes. You have seen nothing but text, you DO NOT KNOW ME. You do not see me grab my shoulder and grit my teeth when I simply lift my arm above my head. Or have to sit and let my back stop spasming after grocery shopping, or have tears in my eyes from a headache. You have NOT seen these, all you have seen is text. There is only one that has SEEN these and she could testify to it. She could also testify that there are many times that I push myself to do something when I should not and I pay for it. She will hopefully be in my life for the rest of my life...

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 7:41:11 PM

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I have a bad back injured it falling off a horse and for about 2 years I wasn't able to move much at all, and I started collapsing because of my back around christmas 2 years ago. some days I can move better than any bodies buisness , but sometimes it comes with a price, one time I sat on my floor to clean my room, I have to, I can not stand up to do it, It's about a 2 hour chore,and after that I spent 3 days in utter agony. Sometimes nothing more than standing for an hour will have me in tons of pain, One time I had a blow out simply because I bent over, and the back poped out of alignment or something, I couldn't walk or move or do anything and one day I fell down and couldn't hardly get up, and took a cab to the Er, well the dr, when told how bad it was , couldn't walk was falling down said but you can walk , you walked in here I said no I was wheeled in, in a wheelchair all the way from the cab.

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RE: I'm Sick Of Hearing "I Am Disabled!" - 5/6/2007 7:47:00 PM

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When I was going through qualifying for SSI, I had to fill out a this 10 page packet, asking about my daily abilities can I drive can I get around on my own, then that wasn't enough, so I had to go do an evaluation with a therapist or some shit, and I had to answer questions like was I ever sexually abused, they asked me to repeat phrases, they'd say mary went to the store to get eggs milk biskets and butter and ask me to retell it 10 mins later, they asked me to draw a picture of my mom my dad and me doing something, this was when I was 19 by the way, dunno why they wanted me to draw, but I did stick figures lol cause Ican't draw.

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The impression I got from her was that it was actually fairly difficult to qualify for disability.

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