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Real0ne -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 5:57:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne What the Talmud Really Says About Jesus “What exactly is so scandalous? How about Jesus punished in Hell for eternity by being made to sit in a cauldron of boiling excrement? That image appears in early manuscripts of the Babylonian Talmud, as does a brief account of Jesus’ trial and execution—not by the Romans but by the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin.” http://www.davidduke.com/general/what-the-talmud-really-says-about-jesus_2196.html Yep thats definitely taking the high road! Booohoooohoooo why doesnt anybody like me??????? Its great to be an atheist! LOL Is that the same David Duke that was a grand wizard in the klan, and convicted felon? i dunno it says something about The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD i dont think that is the convicted felon for the klan

mnottertail -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 5:59:41 PM)
except that the Talmud says no such thing. And there is no Babylonian Talmud. Ye'shua Ha' Notzri

Real0ne -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 6:28:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 But everything he posted was hateful lies and bullshit. That was all made up and a shameful deception,designed to do harm. Oh thats good to know but whats your point? Is your point that the verses shown do not say what is in the text provided by the writer of the article? i mean i did go so far as to look it up before i posted it unless there are several fake talmuds that all say the same thing floating around. Feel free to qoute or direct me to the babylonian talmud with the correct text of your choice then to make your point. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 It didn`r represent any kind of truth,or any interpretation of truth,accept the that of the lunatic fringe and the white supremacists. So the words do not mean what they mean then? Like do yo uhave your own private dictionary for interpretation? i would like to see a copy of that too please. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 That was pure hate,re-posted by either a dope,or a very scary person.If you don`t see the evil nature of this,no one`s going to be able to explain it to you. Hate? i could give a rats ass about hate. i am a atheist thru and thru and frankly i have no clu how you can define that as hate? i see it as a "possible" different wording than you have. So far you have not provided the correct or what you believe the correct text for those rabbi's is. So far its all talk, all show no go. SO put up the correct and we can examine it from there. Besides this is easy....what i find scary is people who cant see that 911 was a setup. Now that is truly scary. No one can explain it to them either. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I`m hoping Realone posted that to mock David Duke and his ilk. So whats wrong with the DD ilk? i really do not know to much about him. i am the type of person who looks at the message for what its worth rather than kill the messenger because i do not like the the tune as so many on here do, lots of dead messengers laying around smelling the place up. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Stop with the psycho-babble.I watch "Comic View" on BET all the time.I`ve seen plenty on white,asian,and indian comedians tell very racy and racial jokes.Years ago when I 1st started watching "Comic View",I saw a white guy win the contest for who gets to host the show for a year.Yup,a white comedian hosting a black comedy show.He made jokes about the black community,about himself,about the tension between the races,and he was funny.So it is possible to do.But not everyone can pull it off,it takes finesse and context. Ah i get it so its not the root of the message but how its delivered, like by a nudy gurl and its all ok sort of thing or as long as the message is distracted by soemthing else. got it.... shalom

Real0ne -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 6:36:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail except that the Talmud says no such thing. And there is no Babylonian Talmud. Ye'shua Ha' Notzri Hmm not according to my google. anything to support that? http://www.google.com/search?q=Babylonian+Talmud&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,140,000 for Babylonian Talmud. (0.13 seconds) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud Talmud Bavli (Babylonian Talmud) An (almost) full copy of the Babylonian Talmud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chasan_Shas.JPG Since the Exile to Babylonia in 586 BCE, there had been Jewish communities living in Babylonia as well as in Judea, as many of the captives never returned home. From then till the Talmudic period the Babylonian Jewish population increased through natural growth as well as migration. The most important of the Jewish centres were Nehardea, Nisibis, Mahoza, Pumbeditha and Sura. It was no longer necessary for scholars to travel regularly to Israel to gather authentic traditions. Talmud Bavli (the "Babylonian Talmud") comprises the Mishnah and the Babylonian Gemara, the latter representing the culmination of more than 300 years of analysis of the Mishnah in the Babylonian Academies. The foundations of this process of analysis were laid by Rab, a disciple of Rabbi Judah ha-Nasi. Tradition ascribes the compilation of the Babylonian Talmud in its present form to two Babylonian sage

mnottertail -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 6:45:08 PM)
OK, I admit that you are correct, and I am mistaken, so it should be just a small matter for you to go to your research of these actual documents and show us what it says about Ye'shua Ha' Notzri. Not some redaction. Selah.

Owner59 -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 6:49:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 But everything he posted was hateful lies and bullshit. That was all made up and a shameful deception,designed to do harm. Oh thats good to know but whats your point? Is your point that the verses shown do not say what is in the text provided by the writer of the article? i mean i did go so far as to look it up before i posted it unless there are several fake talmuds that all say the same thing floating around. Feel free to qoute or direct me to the babylonian talmud with the correct text of your choice then to make your point. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 It didn`r represent any kind of truth,or any interpretation of truth,accept the that of the lunatic fringe and the white supremacists. So the words do not mean what they mean then? Like do yo uhave your own private dictionary for interpretation? i would like to see a copy of that too please. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 That was pure hate,re-posted by either a dope,or a very scary person.If you don`t see the evil nature of this,no one`s going to be able to explain it to you. Hate? i could give a rats ass about hate. i am a atheist thru and thru and frankly i have no clu how you can define that as hate? i see it as a "possible" different wording than you have. So far you have not provided the correct or what you believe the correct text for those rabbi's is. So far its all talk, all show no go. SO put up the correct and we can examine it from there. Besides this is easy....what i find scary is people who cant see that 911 was a setup. Now that is truly scary. No one can explain it to them either. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I`m hoping Realone posted that to mock David Duke and his ilk. So whats wrong with the DD ilk? i really do not know to much about him. i am the type of person who looks at the message for what its worth rather than kill the messenger because i do not like the the tune as so many on here do, lots of dead messengers laying around smelling the place up. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Stop with the psycho-babble.I watch "Comic View" on BET all the time.I`ve seen plenty on white,asian,and indian comedians tell very racy and racial jokes.Years ago when I 1st started watching "Comic View",I saw a white guy win the contest for who gets to host the show for a year.Yup,a white comedian hosting a black comedy show.He made jokes about the black community,about himself,about the tension between the races,and he was funny.So it is possible to do.But not everyone can pull it off,it takes finesse and context. Ah i get it so its not the root of the message but how its delivered, like by a nudy gurl and its all ok sort of thing or as long as the message is distracted by soemthing else. got it.... shalom "So whats wrong with the DD ilk? i really do not know to much about him. i am the type of person who looks at the message for what its worth rather than kill the messenger because i do not like the the tune as so many on here do, lots of dead messengers laying around smelling the place up." Actually, smart guy, David Duke and the KKK would just love you. They would just as soon lynch an atheist(you) as they would hang a black man.<laughs and thinks"what a dope">Maybe we could arrange a get together with you and some klan members. Though I would caution anyone from hanging out with KKK members,in your case,I would make an exception.I think it would enlighten and educate you ,if you survived the noose. I picture you as a grown man, still living w/ his parents.Am I correct?

Real0ne -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 6:53:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 "So whats wrong with the DD ilk? i really do not know to much about him. i am the type of person who looks at the message for what its worth rather than kill the messenger because i do not like the the tune as so many on here do, lots of dead messengers laying around smelling the place up." Actually, smart guy, David Duke and the KKK would just love you. They would just as soon lynch an atheist(you) as they would hang a black man.<laughs and thinks"what a dope">Maybe we could arrange a get together with you and some klan members. Though I would caution anyone from hanging out with KKK members,in your case,I would make an exception.I think it would enlighten and educate you ,if you survived the noose. I picture you as a grown man, still living w/ his parents.Am I correct? ok so this DD in the site right here The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD is in the kkk and this is a kkk site huh? For the record the site above is where that stuff came from. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I picture you as a grown man, still living w/ his parents.Am I correct? Oh by all means dont dazzle me with yout brilliance, baffle me with your name calling LOL

Real0ne -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 7:02:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail OK, I admit that you are correct, and I am mistaken, so it should be just a small matter for you to go to your research of these actual documents and show us what it says about Ye'shua Ha' Notzri. Not some redaction. Selah. Not sure what i am supposed to get from your post, just a bit to cryptic on it for me Babylonian Talmud * Avodah Zarah, 16b-17a repeats the account of Chullin 2:24 about Rabbi Eliezer and adds additional material. It tells that Jacob quoted Deuteronomy 23:19: "You shall not bring the fee of a whore or the price of a dog into the house of the Lord your God in fulfillment of any vow." Jacob says that he was taught this by Yeshu. Jacob then asked Eliezer whether it was permissible to use a whore's money to build a toilet for the high priest. When Rabbi Eliezer did not reply, Jacob quoted Micah 1:7, "For they were amassed from whores' fees and they shall become whores' fees again." This was the teaching that had pleased Rabbi Eliezer. * In Gittin 56b, 57a a story is mentioned in which Onkelos summons up the spirit of a Yeshu who sought to harm Israel. He describes his punishment in the afterlife as boiling in excrement. * In Sanhedrin 43a, the execution of a certain Yeshu for sorcery, and enticing others to apostasy, is mentioned. Because of his connections with the government a town crier was sent to call for witnesses in his favour for forty days before his execution. No one came forth and in the end he was stoned and hanged on the Eve of Passover. Sanhedrin 43a also mentions that a certain Yeshu (possibly intended to be the one it mentions earlier) had gathered five disciples Matai, Nekai, Netzer, Buni, and Todah who were executed. In the Florence manuscript of the Talmud (1177 CE) an addition is made to Sanhedrin 43a saying that Yeshu was hanged on the eve of the Sabbath. This is not found in the other manuscripts and is generally considered too late to have authority. * Sanhedrin 103a and Berachot 17b talk about a Yeshu who burns his food in public, possibly a reference to pagan sacrifices. The account is part of a discussion of three kings and four commoners excluded from paradise. These are also discussed in the Shul http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshu Thats all i could find sure you got it spelled right?

Real0ne -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 7:06:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 But everything he posted was hateful lies and bullshit.That was all made up and a shameful deception,designed to do harm. It didn`r represent any kind of truth,or any interpretation of truth,accept the that of the lunatic fringe and the white supremacists.It wasn`t written by Jews or a part of anything they believe.Not even with the most generous interpretation(generous to the lunatic fringe),can explain this.Sorry,dude,putting my foot down ,here.That was pure hate,re-posted by either a dope,or a very scary person.If you don`t see the evil nature of this,no one`s going to be able to explain it to you. I`m hoping Realone posted that to mock David Duke and his ilk. Unfortunately unrealone has a history of quoting aprovingly from anti semitic sources in between the tax evasion lies, the 9/11 conspiracy bs and the various other bunk he peddles. As to the specific claims the racist felon made quoted in the above post this is functionally the same outrageous lies made up in the 1200's by supporters of the Spanish Inquisition. It was lies of the most base and venal sort then and remain so today. Ah i see you are another purveyor of "TRUTH". Talent on loan from god and always awol when it comes time to quote it and back up those lofty and hi sounding words of bullshit. errrr i mean truth. So you are still licking your wounds and pissed off that my case law stomped yours, will ever get over it? At least mine was applicable. LOL As far as 911 is concerned i found you to be one of the least informed of everyone who made arguments for the governement, certainly the least intuitive. Oh lies? TEll us again about how your pruus gets 100 miles per gallon, in fact you should call the factory and tell them that their 55 - 60 rating is incorrect. custom peddles dont count you know. i am well aware that the only one who tells the truth is you and the government.

mnottertail -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 7:09:24 PM)
Yeshu or Yeshua is Joshua which is the name that this rabbi would have had, there is no Jesus that is an anglicanization-------whatever. but i did a slight misspelling Yeshu'a ha Notzru would be Joshua of Nazareth. Just as Moshe is Moses in any case, Joshua is as common as Moses, or was in those days. find it with our without the apostrophe and look up the anglicanization there as well. Who knows?

Real0ne -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 7:15:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yeshu or Yeshua is Joshua which is the name that this rabbi would have had, there is no Jesus that is an anglicanization-------whatever. but i did a slight misspelling Yeshu'a ha Notzru would be Joshua of Nazareth. Just as Moshe is Moses in any case, Joshua is as common as Moses, or was in those days. find it with our without the apostrophe and look up the anglicanization there as well. Who knows? nope still nuttin 10 hits mostly blogs and unrelated substituting Yeshu result in no hits so you got me man

mnottertail -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 7:17:08 PM)
well, then, you are only half proved. one david duke doesn't come close to 15million babylonian talmuds.

Real0ne -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 7:23:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail well, then, you are only half proved. one david duke doesn't come close to 15million babylonian talmuds. Dang i guess i better get started. Think cm's database is big enough for all that? LOL

mnottertail -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 7:27:21 PM)
well, perhaps if you take a chunk of the duke redaction, you could google with that and hit the motherlode. Ron

Real0ne -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 7:38:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail well, perhaps if you take a chunk of the duke redaction, you could google with that and hit the motherlode. Ron well the tractates are availiable, there are tons of sites with them, i assume they are complete, i do not have a hard copy handy for an absolute verification of it. i would think at least one of thenm would be complete.

DomKen -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 8:57:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Unfortunately unrealone has a history of quoting aprovingly from anti semitic sources in between the tax evasion lies, the 9/11 conspiracy bs and the various other bunk he peddles. As to the specific claims the racist felon made quoted in the above post this is functionally the same outrageous lies made up in the 1200's by supporters of the Spanish Inquisition. It was lies of the most base and venal sort then and remain so today. Ah i see you are another purveyor of "TRUTH". Talent on loan from god and always awol when it comes time to quote it and back up those lofty and hi sounding words of bullshit. errrr i mean truth. So you are still licking your wounds and pissed off that my case law stomped yours, will ever get over it? At least mine was applicable. LOL As far as 911 is concerned i found you to be one of the least informed of everyone who made arguments for the governement, certainly the least intuitive. Oh lies? TEll us again about how your pruus gets 100 miles per gallon, in fact you should call the factory and tell them that their 55 - 60 rating is incorrect. custom peddles dont count you know. i am well aware that the only one who tells the truth is you and the government. What case law? Your tax evasion nonsense was easily and completely refuted by simply pointing you to the convictions of the various originators of the concepts you proposed, As to 9/11 you are the liar who claimed that no restaurants existed opn the top floors of either tower and then when shown conclusively that restaurants were on top of both towers refused to even acknowledge your lie. After repeatedly asking you for your theory with sufficient details to allow a timeline and an estimate of needed manpower and you subsequent refusal to respond I got bored with you. Any time you want to stop posting links to youtube and google video and start discussing facts and engineering details I would be happy to go back to showing how completely vapid you are. My Prius, note the correct spelling, is a plug in conversion and does get at least 100 mpg. As of yet you cannot get a factory built plug in Prius. As to your present venture into fantasy land, you're claiming you don't know who David Duke is? Why exactly were you quoting his website then? If this was your first time getting caught posting quotes from anti semitic sites I might by that it was an accident but twice or more?

Owner59 -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 9:51:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 "So whats wrong with the DD ilk? i really do not know to much about him. i am the type of person who looks at the message for what its worth rather than kill the messenger because i do not like the the tune as so many on here do, lots of dead messengers laying around smelling the place up." Actually, smart guy, David Duke and the KKK would just love you. They would just as soon lynch an atheist(you) as they would hang a black man.<laughs and thinks"what a dope">Maybe we could arrange a get together with you and some klan members. Though I would caution anyone from hanging out with KKK members,in your case,I would make an exception.I think it would enlighten and educate you ,if you survived the noose. I picture you as a grown man, still living w/ his parents.Am I correct? ok so this DD in the site right here The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD is in the kkk and this is a kkk site huh? For the record the site above is where that stuff came from. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I picture you as a grown man, still living w/ his parents.Am I correct? Oh by all means dont dazzle me with yout brilliance, baffle me with your name calling LOL DD was (is) a grand wizard in the klan,ya dope.lol What? You didn`t read that on a web site?<shakes head as says "god help us"> BTW,being an atheist is not a license to be an asshole. Say hi to your mom for us.

ModeratorEleven -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 10:03:39 PM)
OK children, enough. XI

Owner59 -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 10:14:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ModeratorEleven OK children, enough. XI <nods to Mod Eleven>

Real0ne -> RE: Christians pray for the Jews. (7/28/2007 10:40:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 DD was (is) a grand wizard in the klan,ya dope.lol What? You didn`t read that on a web site?<shakes head as says "god help us"> BTW,being an atheist is not a license to be an asshole. Say hi to your mom for us. Amazing so we have grand wizards in office but no illuminati or nazis.... Case in point, "so what" Dukes is a wizard, so what? Nice disrtaction from the point./ The point is: are the quotes from the babylonian talmud misquoted by who ever wizard or warlord great sourcerer whatever, or not? That is the point. Now that the messenger has been effectively killed please site where the huge catastrophic error, bullshit, lies or whatever else you called that talmud text because i failed to find any error. well i was only concerned with talmud info and really did not care where it came from as long as it was reasonably correct. reminds of grade school, once again dazzle me with yout brilliance instead of trying to distract me with your childish name calling eh?

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