Aneirin
Posts: 6121
Joined: 3/18/2006
From: Tamaris
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking
How are your assumptions not anti-Semitic? How many Jews do you know? Do any of US go around claiming to be the chosen people? Do any of US go around claiming that you, the majority, are "nothing"?
You are saying, essentially, that it is OK to blame the victims, that because WE were expelled from what was then Palestine, it was OUR fault. I suppose we pissed the Nazis off also, in your humble opinion, thereby inviting the Holocaust.
A new religion springing up in opposition? Perhaps you forgot that Jesus was a JEW. A reformer. A Jew.
Ah, I see, because I have chosen to bring the topic up of the Jews being the chosen people, I am now seeing that old diversionary and silencing tactic of being called anti semitic wander into the conversation. Have you ever considered that those who do choose to say anything other than the official party line get fed up with charges of anti semitism being levelled on them if they have the audacity to question ? Perhaps even the Jews even make a rod for their own backs with this stance, for it is akin to a child sticking it's fingers in it's ears and making noise so they may not hear what it is others are saying to them, which might actually contain some truth if they would choose to grow up and listen with an open mind.
But to continue with my question, the concept of the Jews believing they are God's chosen people, do you not think hosting countries might have got at the least the teeniest bit fed up with this notion, perhaps even when they tried to include the Jews as people in the country as part of that country, they were told, no, we are not your people, for Israel is our promised land, we are just here until we can get that promised land. Perhaps through history, the Jews alienated themselves and hosting countries felt used and as they refused to be of any use, they were kicked out, yet another diaspora,(although you understand diaspora are not particular to the Jews solely, for many of many races, religions and cultures through history have suffered the same).The bottom line diaspora happened because ruling cultures controlled the status quo and if the situation arose that a group of people refused to co operate with the status quo, they were by whatever means removed from the situation, that form can take simple you are not wanted to get lost and if you don't go, we will make you go, as you are not conducive to the development of this country by your own choice.
But as regards God's Chosen in it's racial sense, according to wiki ;
Some people have claimed that Judaism's chosen people concept is racist because it implies that Jews are superior to non-Jews.[29] However, the ADL and other authorities assert that the concept of chosen people within Judaism has nothing to do with racial superiority, but rather is a description of the special relationship between God and Jews.[30]
If some people believe the chosen concept is racial, then it stands that it is used as a racial tool, and I might there draw a comparison to what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people in East Jerusalem, for to force Arabs out in favour of Jewish settlers says racism to me, either out and out racism or the controlling powers have such disdain for the poor of their own culture, they are using them as a political tool, bait so the Israeli elite can justify their actions when eventually the displaced people say enough is enough.
Israel with it's policy of repopulating East Jerusalem with people of it's own culture is in fact provoking conflict and in doing so, is endangering the very people the elite are supposed to be there to protect. It is in reality not protection, it is a game of we are going to provoke and punish
Why, who knows, perhaps even because of the ancient past where those that did and were done to are long gone, but the people now feel to right an ancient wrong, wrongs should be committed in the present and engineered for the future so no one can forget and no one can move on from the past. Some people just, like, in fact enjoy conflict with others, perhaps to hide feelings of inadequacy or they are just plain sick in the head, no religion or cultural identity is safe from that, for many of the despots of the past have used an interpretation of past ancient holy words to justify their actions.
But with the Jews that are now Israelis there is a worrying development with some, for some with their new found power, status and ability are becoming the very people they scattered from in history, the people who oppress others because they can and for no other reason than to strenghten their own position, by bringing in others to live with them and undoubtedly pay tax for protection that goes on to arm the racket even more..
But, it is sad, very sad for the Israelis who are just people that want to live, love, enjoy and get on in life, for they are being lumped in with the aggressive, because of their shared culture, but one thing is certain, the aggressive will not feel the pain caused by the policies of intimidation of other cultures, for they are safe away in their heavily guarded and fortified castles instructing the pawns to be the irritation that gives them their pleaure in punishing for the sake of what, old scores to be settled ?
You ask if I know any Jews, well, my answer to that is I don't know, for none really have made their religion/culture public, I mean, I know hindus, pagans, muslims, christians, (even bretheren, something akin to Amish) and buddhists, but they are obvious from their ancestry, but what they are I am only guessing at that, as to me they are just people who get on well with each other and myself. Mind, there could be some Jews in those I call friends, just as there are unbelievers in anything apart from theirselves and faith in human nature that once all these 'tribal' affiliations are stripped away, people are just people, brothers and sisters of our species.
_____________________________
Everything we are is the result of what we have thought, the mind is everything, what we think, we become - Guatama Buddha
Conservatism is distrust of people tempered by fear - William Gladstone
|
RE: Israel - 
Profile
New Messages
No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages
Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages
Locked w/o New Messages
Post New Thread