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IronBear -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 9:16:34 AM)
Ahhhhhh but you haven't been flying with me yet.. I like to fly a chopper like I like to drive a corvette....Ground zero in and out of power poles or drop off a cliff face just for fun.... [;)]

Kana -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 9:23:19 AM)
All I can say is that the best way to enjoy a quiet game is to leave her hanging from her nips in the closet. Now, I won't leave the house (What if there was a fire?), but the room, oh hell yes. Heck, don't tell me you've (you being the freaky community in general) have never made a freezer run for ice cubes while she's bound, eh?

LadyPact -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 9:30:37 AM)
quote: i have to say that i'm more than a little confused about people compairing being tied up with no escape and left for hours with leaving your teenagers at home or going to the shop. i I'm actually kind of surprised at this. I know I'm not the only parent out there who would be wondering just exactly what was going on at the house while I was out and the teenager was left home. My kid was hell on wheels there for a period. I'd come back from an overnight in Atlanta and be waiting to see just what had occurred since I'd been gone. So far, I'm afraid that nobody on the thread has displayed an actual benefit from My perspective. I very much enjoyed the story about the gal who flew after being left. That's great, for the gal. All the top got out of it was a cool story to tell and a lesson that they could have learned by still being in the house if the bottom didn't know she hadn't really left. Flying in a plane to see My family? I get to actually see My family. Jumping out of one? I'd be the one getting the rush. Other tops may see it differently, but as of yet, I just haven't seen anything that makes it worthwhile for the risk to be worth the benefit to Me being the person who is tying them up.

Kana -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 9:40:09 AM)
LP, I am with you. I look at the risk/reward and just go no. There are some risks (Those that involve dying, mutilation etc)...that I just won't take, for many reasons, among which, as you listed, is that my refusing to do so is for MY protection, not hers. Breath play-Yes Extreme breath play as in choke her til she turns blue and passes out-No Things like that. Yes, she may consent. Hell, she may even want it, but you know what? I ain't going to prison for no bootie, no matter what. And frankly, should an accident happen to a bound slave, the top could end up looking at anything from accidental manslaughter to Murder 1. Can anyone say Preppy Murder Case? Remember that one, where his defense (Real or not, who knows) was that they she was into rough sex and sexual strangling and it got out of hand. That guy got 5-15. Ouch. That ain't gonna happen to me.

ranja -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 9:51:32 AM)
If the sub was a sex addict and the Domly type a bit on the possessive and insecure side then the tyeing up of the sub would maybe be the only way to ensure their faithfulness while simultaneously satisfying a kink? Not that i ever really thought i was a bimbo but i am sure my ex boyfriend would have loved to have had me shackled at home while he was out about town

Arturas -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 10:02:27 AM)
I've done a mind fuck like this in public play at the Mark. The first time I bound star to the whipping horse there she thought she was left alone without her Dom, bindfolded and fully bound and partially nude in heels in the middle of unknown men. She remained calm for eighteen minutes until laid my flogger on her back and I touched her softly on the lips whereupon she licked my fingers and then water out of my hand....um, come to think of it, I assumed she knew it was me, was that a reverse mind fuck? Damn her! But, leaving a sub bond alone even in a room next door is a zero tolerance act in the BDSM world because of the risk of her having some difficulty while not being watched, one that might even be fatal. Zero tolerance. Period.

62704 -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 10:20:33 AM)
Simply put, are the risks worth the reward? I left her bound with a weak vibrator (one we were going to toss out as not worth the time and batteries). I was gone for much more than just a few minutes. The vibrator was dead when I got back. When I walked back into the room, she came so hard she told me afterwards she thought she was going to die. This wasn't hyperbole on her part, it was an ubergasm. I thought she was having a seizure. Was this risky? Beyond a doubt. Especially the vibrator - skin breakdown is no laughing matter. And it was absolutely worth it. People climb Mt. Everest. It involves spending significant time at the base camp to acclimate, while their body literally consumes itself due to the altered biology and chemistry induced by the weak atmosphere, reliance on canned oxygen, and unbelievable cold. The cold is so bitter and numbing, its easy for people to break digits and not realize it. There's a huge mortality rate. Thrill seekers jump out of perfectly good planes, relying on parachutes that they paid some stranger to pack for them, all in the name of an adrenaline rush and a new experience. This is much the same thing. Either it's worth the risk to you, or it isn't. And sometimes, you can't know until you've tried it once.

porcelaine -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 10:30:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas But, leaving a sub bond alone even in a room next door is a zero tolerance act in the BDSM world because of the risk of her having some difficulty while not being watched, one that might even be fatal. Zero tolerance. Period. i think it's a wee bit grandiose to include the whole entire landscape in your comment. Suffice to say there are players on every end of the scale and some find the practice appropriate for their relationship while others abhor it. i believe the same holds true about most subjects one would discuss. Namaste, ~porcelaine

IronBear -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 10:47:51 AM)
Here! Here! I would say that on my part, I would use both vision and sound recordings as well as having another person physically watching. When in doubt such as leaving a salve caged all night. I can add any one of the personal alarms/noise makers which even when I am fast asleep will set two large dogs barking or wailing. Both of which will. bounce on the bed and me to attract attention to the noise..Not hard to effect a safe and possibly sane rescue if the need is there.. I can thing of a number of things which I could be doing to her mind which is infinitely of greater risk to her and her sanity.

mnottertail -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 10:51:12 AM)
I let my slaves go poop by themselves, all alone, usually....... Does that make me a dangerous, edgey sorta motherfucker?

IronBear -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 10:56:13 AM)
In your special case mate I'm sorry to say YES.. But.... we loves ya anyway......

mnottertail -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 10:57:01 AM)
LOL, are we ever going to get to do a shrimps on the barbie fosters week, me old china?

IronBear -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 11:00:58 AM)
I hope so mate.. Neets is looking forward to meeting you in the flesh.... Told her you were a civilised cove and wore undies too Clean ones with out skid marks lol... Would be grands to be BBQing fresh prawns and drinking ices Fosters watching a couple of slave girls dancing for us..

LaTigresse -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 11:09:27 AM)
Heyyyyyyyyy, you guys keep typing this kind of stuff and I will be one uninvited guest!

SailingBum -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 11:12:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ishtarr Thanks Ironbear. My husband is actually training to get his private pilot license right now. I haven't flown with him yet, but will sometime in the near future. Considering that the mortality rate for general aviation is about 16 per million versus a mortality The main reason GA is so unsafe is cuz most pilots are stupid. Number one reason for planes falling outta the sky is ....No not mechanic failure or weather Yea you guessed is "running out of gas" I shit you not. Are you fucking kidding me. How can someone be so lame to not to know where the next fill up is when your life depends on it? It's simple math next filling station <airport> 60 miles away cruising speed of 60 MPH Fuel burn rate at cruising speed 3 gal per hour Yes the plane Mfg gives you this info upfront. All the pilot has to do is plug in the numbers. Yes it's that straight forward. Can someone please explain to me how a pilot can't do 2nd grade math and still fly a plane? Or hell just forget the math and fill the tanks before flight. So if you wanna get tied up and left alone in a chopper look me up Former chopper pilot republic of Vietnam

porcelaine -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 11:16:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Does that make me a dangerous, edgey sorta motherfucker? Fact. That vibe can't be taught. It's au natural. [;)] Namaste, ~porcelaine

porcelaine -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 11:30:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear Here! Here! Being left alone doesn't frighten me. It isn't like i came into this world with company. [:D] i think i'll save this question for a prospect. If i get slapped i'm blaming you. laughs Namaste, ~porcelaine

needlesandpins -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 11:37:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: i have to say that i'm more than a little confused about people compairing being tied up with no escape and left for hours with leaving your teenagers at home or going to the shop. i I'm actually kind of surprised at this. I know I'm not the only parent out there who would be wondering just exactly what was going on at the house while I was out and the teenager was left home. My kid was hell on wheels there for a period. I'd come back from an overnight in Atlanta and be waiting to see just what had occurred since I'd been gone. So far, I'm afraid that nobody on the thread has displayed an actual benefit from My perspective. I very much enjoyed the story about the gal who flew after being left. That's great, for the gal. All the top got out of it was a cool story to tell and a lesson that they could have learned by still being in the house if the bottom didn't know she hadn't really left. Flying in a plane to see My family? I get to actually see My family. Jumping out of one? I'd be the one getting the rush. Other tops may see it differently, but as of yet, I just haven't seen anything that makes it worthwhile for the risk to be worth the benefit to Me being the person who is tying them up. Ishtarr, in reply to you, see above. again, the difference being that you are bound and souly relient on the binder. if the binder isn't there and something happens in a bad way, you die. you died while alone, whereas had they been there it's much more likely you wouldn't. so it's their culpability. so you get in a plane, the pilot is negligent, the plane crashes, you die. so the investigation is done, the pilot is at fault, said pilot either died with you and it's done, or maybe the airline has to do something...or insurance...i have no idea. or the pilot lived and he is prosecuted for your death because he was negligent. ergo, same risk, same result, negligent homicide. so you jump out of the plane with a paracute, and land safely. excellent. you do it again but this time the 'cute doesn't open, you land, you die. there is an investigation to see why the shute didn't open and if that was due to negligence on the packers part, they pay for it. the difference here though is that these people are not part of your life, they are people paid to do a job. your binder and you are supposed to have a relationship whereby there is trust and love and whatever else goes with it. you die, they get prosecuted for your death AND they have lost the person they bound. that is something that has no value to me at all, not from my stance or the risk to the other party. any pleasure i could gain is just not worth that level of risk. LP my boy is nearly 17 and has never been left alone over night. for the present time, as a single parent, the gain is not worth the risk [;)] i guess i'm very lucky though that while he does have a few kevin moments ( for anyone not awear what a kevin moment is.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsj98uNsIBQ without the swearing though with my boy) he's pretty much a very good lad. i have very few problems with him and when is is left in the day i don't worry at all as he's very responsible. if i come home and he's somehow managed to burn the house down, so long as he's ok i don't care (although i may kick his arse a bit) needles

Arturas -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 11:41:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: porcelaine quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas But, leaving a sub bond alone even in a room next door is a zero tolerance act in the BDSM world because of the risk of her having some difficulty while not being watched, one that might even be fatal. Zero tolerance. Period. i think it's a wee bit grandiose to include the whole entire landscape in your comment. Suffice to say there are players on every end of the scale and some find the practice appropriate for their relationship while others abhor it. i believe the same holds true about most subjects one would discuss. Namaste, ~porcelaine Lumping this subject, one potentially life threatening and has taken life, into most other subjects is miss-quided. Grandiose? Hardly. All published work on this subject takes this same zero tolerance view. You can also ask the next dungeon monitor you meet. Better yet, leave your submissive actually alone while bound in a Dungeon and see how fast that ends. I'm sure there are those in the "landscape" that do dangerous things that will not be tolerated in a public dungeon, no doubt, but that is not the BDSM world, that is two people who need to get plugged into the BDSM world and learn what not to do before something very bad happens. Like here. No rationalization about "players on every end of the scale" and such will make a difference when someone dies from this practice. This is a BDSM site that should be used for learning acceptable practices in the BDSM community and leaving a submissive bound and alone is not one of them and so I am not being "Grandiose" in saying the BDSM world has zero tolerance for this, I am being right and I hope the newbees ignore your and others postings to the contrary, if any. If I sound intolerant and unyielding about this I am. This is not something to have fun with or joke about. Time to get serious when we talk about safety issues especially when such practices are being held up as exciting or at the very least, OK. They are not, they are very much not OK.

porcelaine -> RE: leaving sub alone while tied/caged (3/29/2011 12:46:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas I'm sure there are those in the "landscape" that do dangerous things that will not be tolerated in a public dungeon, no doubt, but that is not the BDSM world, that is two people who need to get plugged into the BDSM world and learn what not to do before something very bad happens. You don't speak for me. And you most definitely don't speak for others that have a dissenting opinion. You infer their need to get "plugged in" to the community. Which implies an assumption they are not active in their respective locales. You are correct about one thing, but i wouldn't direct that to the mere novice. Individuals need to draw their own conclusions. I would sincerely hope they aren't wholly dependent on virtual perspectives. I would hope they've done their homework and legwork in the process. As for your supposed intolerance, it is of no consequence to me. You are free to present your ideas in the manner you deem most suitable. And i believe people utilize this forum for many purposes. While you may suggest education 'should' be the real motivation, i suspect there are other factors involved. Unlike you, i limit my reach to its rightful vicinity. An opinion is shared and the audience is free to draw their own conclusions. I don't need to be right or validated. Namaste, ~porcelaine

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