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Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 6:45:03 PM   
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In this age where ONLY women matter.
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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 7:36:23 PM   
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And, to be honest, this part made me laugh in a sad sort of way.

But feminism, as much as it claims to be, is not a band-aid for the world’s problems. Feminism does not truly assist with trans issues, or men’s issues, or race issues. In a way, it only furthers the divide between men and women by pitting them against each other.

There shouldn’t be a Men’s Rights Movement, nor should there be a feminism, because women and men should be treated equally, in every respect, from the draft to child custody battles (women almost always win) to rape.

There never should have been a Women's Rights Movement either. What makes you so special as men?

Instead of whining on a blog, he should be organizing a group for men on college campuses who have been raped.

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 8:08:17 PM   
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I don't claim my gender to be more important than yours. So what makes you so special as a woman?

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Instead of whining on a blog, he should be organizing a group for men on college campuses who have been raped.


When MRAs do make any such gatherings in campuses, feminists seem to whine about it.

Here's a great example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jckfL4LdBtQ

Damned if they don't, damned if they do.

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 8:24:20 PM   
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In this age where ONLY women matter.


What makes you think the above is accurate? Or that its how all women see this issue?

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 9:55:38 PM   
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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 10:21:39 PM   
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About the writer.

He is all butt hurt over two organizations created to bring awareness of rape to women and keep it in the media. Neither organization states this does not happen to men. So, instead of calling for men to start their own organizations, he labels them all feminists (not all of them are) and bashes them repeatedly for what he, himself, isnt doing a damn thing about.

Rape is a terrible thing, no matter the sex of the person.

Men rape.

Women rape.

Men dont report as a norm.

Most women dont report.

The author talks about how men in prison are raped and its never reported, yet he still resents the fact that men are in the CHAMPS acronym. Who else is raping the men in prison?

Then he goes on to rant about McCarthy... that woman is mental and many of us women know this.

But to claim that ONLY women matter.... dont whine... get off your ass from the keyboard and do something about it! (directed towards the writer and no one here)

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 10:48:04 PM   
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But to claim that ONLY women matter.... dont whine... get off your ass from the keyboard and do something about it! (directed towards the writer and no one here)


You're asking the average powerless male here.

As if I have power over the UN

http://www.un.org/en/events/endviolenceday/2012/sgmessage.shtml

yeah like an equivalent exist for males.

I as a male also has power over google. So just because I'm a male, don't think I can tell them what to do.

http://i.imgur.com/Itp2r.png



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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 10:49:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I said the writer... of the article. He is writing for a college.. complaining about the lack of attention male rapes have on campus....

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 10:52:06 PM   
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As if I have power over the UN

http://www.un.org/en/events/endviolenceday/2012/sgmessage.shtml


Are you disputing the facts in the UN link?

as far as the other link... it makes no sense to me.

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 10:54:36 PM   
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Are you disputing the facts in the UN link?


Nope, but there is this big elephant in the room that get's ignored. Men get abused too by women.

http://www.mediaradar.org/research.php#waj

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 10:55:50 PM   
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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 11:53:44 PM   
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I have yet to see a single woman on this web site dispute that fact. Have you?


Yeah look at them all claiming my posts are right in this thread.

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 11:56:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I have yet to see a single woman on this web site dispute that fact. Have you?

No, but apparently you women are supposed to fix the problem for him.

Look Nick. I agree that in the feminists efforts to fix some ugly problems we, as a society, didn't get everything right. I agree that it's time to start thinking about humanism not feminism. But that doesn't change the problems women still have in this world. You know... That whole war on women thing is just getting started and that is right now this instant not some historical fact. I had Carol vote Demcratic for just that reason even though I voted green and would toss Obama in prison if I could.

I also agree that most women have no clue what's going wrong for men and don't really want to know. It's a lot like the early days of feminism. Good on you for seeing the problem. But what are you DOING about it? These posts come off rather whiny. Just like all such things its going to take a change in society's viewpoints and that starts with raising awareness. That takes a movement. There are already several organized groups going. Maybe try joining one and actively participating? You could start a local chapter of something.

In the mean time, you cannot escape the repressive legal landscape but at the personal level you can do as I do and choose your female friends carefully. Just don't get married without excellent legal advice and you should do fine... As I do.

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/27/2012 11:57:40 PM   
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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/28/2012 12:07:03 AM   
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But that doesn't change the problems women still have in this world.


No denial about women having problems. I have no problem with that being raised to awareness. What I do have a problem with is that one gender is raised and not the other in equal consideration.

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That whole war on women thing is just getting started and that is right now this instant not some historical fact.


If you want to call it "that" in the western world. The REAL war on women happens in the islamic world, but liberals want to censor that consideration for some strange reason. Maybe it's because it shows the problems that western women face are so so so far trivial compared to women around the world. Therefore, we better not invalidate feminism in the western world.

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But what are you DOING about it?


If the same question is applied to all feminists, what will be the realistic answer? Why don't feminists/women get questioned this? Why only men? What does the average feminist do? Do all feminists or most feminists actually do something? Where is them being questioned?



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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/28/2012 12:13:05 AM   
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If the same question is applied to all feminists, what will be the realistic answer? Why don't feminists/women get questioned this? Why only men? What does the average feminist do? Do all feminists or most feminists actually do something? Where is them being questioned?


Why are you equating women with feminists?

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/28/2012 12:13:37 AM   
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Here's another one of those incredibly stupid things. Do you think that people are unaware that men can be abused too? Did anyone here claim it doesn't happen? Who here is ignoring it?


Apparently, the UN does.

http://www.un.org/en/events/endviolenceday/2012/sgmessage.shtml

Oh how about the VAWA.

Or how about

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/10/25/3885763/christine-vendel-domestic-violence.html

Men banned pets allowed in bigots-only shelter

Gotta larf!


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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/28/2012 12:17:09 AM   
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http://www.examiner.com/article/men-are-victims-of-domestic-violence-too-help-for-battered-men-the-kansas-city-metro-area

Although limited in comparison to what is available for women, there is help in the area for men dealing with an abusive relationship. The Alliance Against Family Violence (Leavenworth, KS) has a crisis line: (913)682-9131 or you can visit their website to locate resources and support groups at http://www.aafv.net/. In Overland Park, there is Anger Alternatives Inc. at (913)438-2100 or visit their website at http://www.anger.org . There is a men's shelter in Kansas City at New Life Evangelistic Center. For more information call (816)421-8169 or visit their website at http://www.newlifeevangelisticcenter.org/shelters.htm .

Are you really so angry that you dont know what is available? Or do you simply not look?

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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/28/2012 12:19:38 AM   
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RE: Gender Roles: Men, Women, And Rape - 11/28/2012 12:23:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why should we? You want everything equal. Thats simply not possible with the huge majority of women ending up in shelters as a result of domestic violence and many having children with them. No one is saying that doesnt happen to men. But, damn, get off the pity party. You want to rant and rave about the injustice in the world towards men without looking at the cold facts. A man leaves because of abuse, he typically does not take the children and crashes on a buddies couch. A woman leaves and the kids go with her. How long will a friend put her, and her kids, up? Some for a long time. Some have no where else to go.

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